KK resigns - see OP for new club statement issued September 6th

[indi]

I know this is a shit situation, I know everyone's upset and I know I'm likely to get a load of shit for saying what I've got to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.

 

Do some of you support NUFC or KKFC? It seems that to a lot of people Keegan is way more important than the club, all those saying that their finished with the club, what the fuck are you on about!?! Perhaps Keegan could set up his own team and you could go and support them instead, seriously I know people are emotional at the moment but get a fucking grip!!

 

I like Kevin Keegan, I think he's a great bloke and a decent manager, I think he gets his teams to play football the way it should be played and I'm grateful to him for turning things around for us and getting the club back on its feet. I've also got a huge amount of respect for him for his previous time at NUFC, both as manager and as a player, his arrival in the eighties coinciding with the start of my interest in the club.

 

But the Kevin Keegan I like exists in reality, he has faults and makes mistakes, I still like him. He's stubborn and forces a situation to the extent that it causes the club a huge amount of damage, I still like him. He says he cares about the fans and the club, but doesn't say anything for three days whilst all kinds of shit is kicking off to the detriment of the club and the fans - although they don't seem to realise it - when a simple statement from him could have calmed the situation and protected the club from damage, I still like him.

 

The Kevin Keegan a lot of people seem to worship at the alter of is a myth, he is portrayed as someone who can do no wrong, who is totally selfless and devotes his existence to the furtherance of NUFC with no thought whatsoever to his own well being. He is a god and every word he utters is gospel - even when he contradicts what he said previously - but not only that he is a victim, he is weak and needs protection from the nasty cockneys who were out to get him from the start and are secretly trying to bring us down in the hope that it might benefit Spurs. Keegan is the lord and we will die, or rather kill on his behalf - even if the only thing that dies is the club we're supposed to love.

 

Now what's going to happen if it turns out that Keegan is not entirely blameless in all this?

 

Well, I'll still like him.

 

You on the other hand are left with a choice:

 

Have your illusion shattered, your idol fallen, your dreams dashed and kneejerk totally to the opposite, forever hating his guts and cursing his name.

 

or:

 

Deny reality, continue on with your delusion and pretend things aren't how they really are, shout and scream and bawl out anyone who disagrees with your faith.

 

Because I'm telling you now, no-one, not even Keegan is blameless in this. They've all played their role in this disaster, but only some of them have stuck around to try and sort it out.

 

NUFC's still here, you're supposed to be Newcastle supporters, are you going to support it, or what!?!

 

bit of a straw man argument as you seem to think people assume keegan has no flaws.

 

but that's wrong - the keegan that nufc fans love is the one that made the "i'd Love it if we beat them, love it" statement, the one we know is emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve. it is this passion and the desire to challenge things head on that has partly caused this situation. people arent denying that - they're just looking at it a  bit more deeply than you are and looking at what caused keegan to go head to head with llambias, rather than just focusing on the act of confrontation itself as if it existed in a vacuum  - without very real problems and underlying issues that, i presume, still exist at the club and will be probably be causing the new man the exact same problems 8 months down the line. similar problems have caused Curbishley to walk out at west ham, or Mourinho to leave Chelsea, or Redknapp to leave Southampton.

 

 

So why has everyone who's dared to post something even remotely suggesting that Keegan might be at fault taken shit and abuse by the barrel-load? Plenty of people think he can do no wrong and are not prepared to hear a single word against him, read back through the thread if you don't believe me, it's there in black and white.

 

As for the rest of what you wrote, well you're making the assumption that just because I've criticised Keegan I must think that Ashley and Co can do no wrong and that's simply bollocks. You appear to see the word in a very simple way, black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, Keegan or Ashley, well that's not how I see it so you'll never be able to understand what I'm talking about.

 

i made that post cos i felt you were putting words in other fan's mouths, telling them what they are thinking. i thought that was patronising and demeaning so i pointed out where you were -factually - wrong so you might realise.

 

sadly you have just gotten worse and are throwing shit about telling me how i think and i how see the world.

 

what a fucking joke.

 

another decent poster turns into a raving lunatic.

 

for the record, people are responding to stuff they think is wrong, and it is often loaded because this is an emotional time. but maybe i should leave you to jump to conclusions and tell people their opinions instead of giving others a chance to speak for themselves.

 

Dont think Indi is a lunatic tbh - one of the few keeping their heads.

 

is this 'keeping your head'?

 

"well you're making the assumption that just because I've criticised Keegan I must think that Ashley and Co can do no wrong and that's simply bollocks. You appear to see the word in a very simple way, black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, Keegan or Ashley, well that's not how I see it so you'll never be able to understand what I'm talking about.""

 

looks like a personal attack to me, spouting bollocks about me on a personal level about the way i see the world, when in truth he doesnt know a fucking thing about me.

 

that's not 'keeping your head' - it's losing it.

 

i never assumed indi thinks ashley and co can do no wrong. in fact Indi made a big post assuming huge swathes of fans think Keegan can do no wrong. who is making assumptions there?

 

As per my previous post, my views on the actions of other supporters are based upon:

 

- What I have seen written in this thread and others on here, the evidence for that is here in front of us in black and white.

- The fact that based purely upon rumours reported on SSN as fact there were significant numbers of fans as good as rioting outside SJP, despite knowing precisely jack shit about what had actually gone on, the evidence of which has been playing continuously on our TV screens ever since.

 

Your evidence for me supporting Ashley is based upon me having the gall to criticise Keegan and your assumption that must meen I support Ashley despite me having criticised him for the exact same things as I've criticised Keegan a number of times and at least a couple of times in direct response to you.

 

In other words I have lots of evidence with which to back up my opinion and you have none, in fact you have evidence directly contradicting your opinion, which you've chosen to ignore.

 

If you think that was a personal attack then you obviously live a very sheltered life, good luck to you in the real world, you'll need it.

[indi]

I'm not sure why you are concentrating on the negatives of KK so much Indi when what has happened is that he has come in and been given a job based on false foundations. He has had to resign this time not because of his own personal inadequacies but because he was lied to and the job presented to him was far from how it turned out to be. I like to stick by my principles so I agree 100% with him resigning from the post.

 

And you know that how?

 

[colinmk]

I'm not sure why you are concentrating on the negatives of KK so much Indi when what has happened is that he has come in and been given a job based on false foundations. He has had to resign this time not because of his own personal inadequacies but because he was lied to and the job presented to him was far from how it turned out to be. I like to stick by my principles so I agree 100% with him resigning from the post.

 

And you know that how?

 

 

I'm just presuming he's not lied to the fans.

[PRL]

Latest from .com, think they've covered all of us here...

 

Stunning

 

Over a decade of doing this web thing didn't prepare us for the avalanche of emails we received on Thursday evening following the Keegan news.

 

We thought we'd be able to keep track of the influx and publish a selection online - but given that over 2,500 of you have emailed in the first four hours after the statement that's a forlorn hope.

 

Attempting the impossible - and having read only a fraction of them (so far) - your views include:

 

In a word:

 

Outrage, confusion, bewilderment, disappointment, numb, betrayal, fuming, gutted, livid, anger, incandescent, comical, typical, sadness, dejection, farce, unbelievable.

 

Reaction:

 

* Sell up & **** off back to London with Dennis.

* KK placed in an impossible position and right to walk.

* Predictable exit for Keegan, who has succumbed once again to the pressure of management.

* No future for Ashley at this club, in this town etc.

* Enquiries to club regarding season ticket cancellation.

* Bewilderment at level of support for Keegan from fans.

* Condemnation of media and former players for adding to the circus of recent days.

* Calls for players to risk fines by speaking publicly.

* Calls for Ashley to hold a press conference.

* Calls for LMA to advise their members not to apply for the vacant position.

* Move on, stop living in the past.

* Dismay at "moaning minnie magpies" - get on with supporting the XI on the field,

* Force the club to offer free Spanish lessons.....

 

Actions:

 

* Full boycott of Hull game.

* Full boycott of NUFC games.

* Protest at Hull game by entering late.

* Silent protest at Hull game.

* Turn back on pitch during Hull game.

* Return free club scarves to SJP.

* Boycott of club products.

* Boycott of Sports Direct.

* Indifference - can't summon up any anger.

 

Conclusion:

 

* Club now impossible to manage = puppet boss.

* Ashley's error to have brought Keegan back.

* No future for Ashley as owner - club sale inevitable.

* No confidence in Wise and Llambias.

* Open hostility towards Wise and Llambias.

* Refusal to join any protest 

* End of the road, regrets over season ticket purchase.

* Justify the reputation of Newcastle fans by keeping protests out of the ground.

[Guest BB]

From Skunkers:

 

Here's the story why Keegan has left.

 

Last Friday Wise came to Keegan with Bastien Schweinstiger apparently signing, Keegan was happy with that, as he sanctioned the selling of Milner.

Then apparently Wise came back saying that he hadn't actually signed him, it had fallen through due Jiminez's interference. Keegan was fuming but was told there was still many targets in sights for the end of the window.

 

Keegan went to Arsenal not happy.

 

Monday morning Wise, Jiminez and Keegan meet again. Keegan was waiting for them to say such and such is signing. BUT NO.

 

It was a list of most of the key players of the squad with price tags next to them. Apparently Shay Given had a 10 million price tag and also Owen was on the list. Not only that Xisco et al were on the signing on list, Keegan said he didn't want any of them.

 

Keegan was furious and went mental. Wise said well its either you put up with what we are doing or you're "sacked". Keegan said well I'm sacked then and stormed off to Manchester.

 

Keegan didn't have any contact with Newcastle for awhile until he saw the statement, he then went to the LMA and told his side of the story.

 

Yesterday Derek Llmabas(sp?) went down to try and bring Keegan back but it failed and they instead sorted out compensation etc for Keegan leaving.

 

From Keegan's daughters other half.

 

There is absolutely no way Wise has/had the brass balls, neck, penkas, gonads, goolies or tinplate knackers to say that to Keegan.

 

This sounds about right to me. No wonder Keegan left, I'm boycotting NUFC for the rest of the season, or till I calm down and that will be at least for this season.

[Guest Ian56]

I wonder if Keegan will come out and tell us all what's gone on.

 

Never been that bothered about Curbishley either way, but I respect how he's come out and told the fans exactly what happened that forced him to resign.

 

Depends if he's signed a confidentiality agreement.

 

If he loves the club like he says, then he won't have done. He owes it to us to let us know what's made him resign.

 

Yep.

 

After a summer of rumours I'd like him to come out publically and say exactly what forced him to resign. Just a bit of honesty really. It's not too much to ask is it? 

 

Not going to happen. If Ashley had insisted on that "If you quit and walk away" 2M clause in his contract Keegan must have been out of his mind for signing it. Talk about being stitched up. What the hell was Ashley thinking of when he pulled that crap? That's the most shocking thing I've heard about this whole saga - if the slapper is speaking the truth of course.

 

Perhaps Ashley got Keegan to agree to the £2m clause because he has a bit of a reputation for walking out on jobs?

 

Super smart way to show confidence in your new employee. Why hang an axe over him with that? What was Ashley going to lose if he walked? Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nowt. The club has done everything to avoid saying the word "sacked" so they didn't get stung for £8M or whatever it was. I can picture Ashley on the phone from America shouting "Don't sack him for fluck's sake!!"

[NJS]

What? Are you kidding? For starters Wise wouldn't have the authority to make such a threat

 

He's the executive director(football) - basically in charge of the entire footballing side of the club - Keegan's boss.

 

 

and two, if he did, Terry Mac would have chinned the little runt....

 

Did you see what a worky little shit of a player he was?

[Guest Ian56]

What? Are you kidding? For starters Wise wouldn't have the authority to make such a threat

 

He's the executive director(football) - basically in charge of the entire footballing side of the club - Keegan's boss.

 

 

and two, if he did, Terry Mac would have chinned the little runt....

 

Did you see what a worky little s*** of a player he was?

 

1st point - IMHO still wouldn't have the bottle to say that to Keegan's face. If anyone would have some idea of the shit storm that would follow then it would be someone like Wise who has some appreciation of the regard with which Keegan is held by the people who support the club. He may have the authority but it would take a bigger man that Wise to wield it - in my humble opinion of course..

 

2nd point - Yes I did. Just about every game he played if I recall. 

[johnnypd]

Club now impossible to manage = puppet boss.

 

[indi]

I know this is a s*** situation, I know everyone's upset and I know I'm likely to get a load of s*** for saying what I've got to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.

 

Do some of you support NUFC or KKFC? It seems that to a lot of people Keegan is way more important than the club, all those saying that their finished with the club, what the f*** are you on about!?! Perhaps Keegan could set up his own team and you could go and support them instead, seriously I know people are emotional at the moment but get a f***ing grip!!

 

I like Kevin Keegan, I think he's a great bloke and a decent manager, I think he gets his teams to play football the way it should be played and I'm grateful to him for turning things around for us and getting the club back on its feet. I've also got a huge amount of respect for him for his previous time at NUFC, both as manager and as a player, his arrival in the eighties coinciding with the start of my interest in the club.

 

But the Kevin Keegan I like exists in reality, he has faults and makes mistakes, I still like him. He's stubborn and forces a situation to the extent that it causes the club a huge amount of damage, I still like him. He says he cares about the fans and the club, but doesn't say anything for three days whilst all kinds of s*** is kicking off to the detriment of the club and the fans - although they don't seem to realise it - when a simple statement from him could have calmed the situation and protected the club from damage, I still like him.

 

The Kevin Keegan a lot of people seem to worship at the alter of is a myth, he is portrayed as someone who can do no wrong, who is totally selfless and devotes his existence to the furtherance of NUFC with no thought whatsoever to his own well being. He is a god and every word he utters is gospel - even when he contradicts what he said previously - but not only that he is a victim, he is weak and needs protection from the nasty cockneys who were out to get him from the start and are secretly trying to bring us down in the hope that it might benefit Spurs. Keegan is the lord and we will die, or rather kill on his behalf - even if the only thing that dies is the club we're supposed to love.

 

Now what's going to happen if it turns out that Keegan is not entirely blameless in all this?

 

Well, I'll still like him.

 

You on the other hand are left with a choice:

 

Have your illusion shattered, your idol fallen, your dreams dashed and kneejerk totally to the opposite, forever hating his guts and cursing his name.

 

or:

 

Deny reality, continue on with your delusion and pretend things aren't how they really are, shout and scream and bawl out anyone who disagrees with your faith.

 

Because I'm telling you now, no-one, not even Keegan is blameless in this. They've all played their role in this disaster, but only some of them have stuck around to try and sort it out.

 

NUFC's still here, you're supposed to be Newcastle supporters, are you going to support it, or what!?!

 

bit of a straw man argument as you seem to think people assume keegan has no flaws.

 

but that's wrong - the keegan that nufc fans love is the one that made the "i'd Love it if we beat them, love it" statement, the one we know is emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve. it is this passion and the desire to challenge things head on that has partly caused this situation. people arent denying that - they're just looking at it a  bit more deeply than you are and looking at what caused keegan to go head to head with llambias, rather than just focusing on the act of confrontation itself as if it existed in a vacuum  - without very real problems and underlying issues that, i presume, still exist at the club and will be probably be causing the new man the exact same problems 8 months down the line. similar problems have caused Curbishley to walk out at west ham, or Mourinho to leave Chelsea, or Redknapp to leave Southampton.

 

Exactly. I don't think KK doesn't have any flaws, he has many and some of them are what make him great but when I see him on the touchline, even when N'Zogbia is at left back or when Damien Duff is allowed to be alive, I support him because no matter what, I always, always believe that he is doing what he feels is best for NUFC. He doesn't let personal stuff get in the way of what he feels is the best thing for the club, he doesn't pick certain players to prove a point and he doesn't let his headstrong attitude ever get in the way of the football club. I can't say that about any other manager I've seen at NUFC (even Sir Bobby, bless him).

 

He also happens to be a f***ing good manager who plays football the way it should be played.

 

If Arsenal forced Wenger out tomorrow, or Man Utd Fergie, their fans would be just as livid as we are. It's not a case of supporting KK, it's a case of wanting the best man for the job and for me that was KK. If he'd been doing a s*** job and had to go, fair enough, but to see him leave for non-footballing reasons, forced out by people who couldn't give a f*** about the club, leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth.

 

Ironic that we spoke to Redknapp in January too, as you say Johnny. He also left Pompey because of that Croatian bloke in the background, now he's come back, gets to buy his own players and he's doing a far superior job to first time round. Funny that isn't it?

 

I agree with the majority of the first two paragraphs apart from the bit about him never letting personal stuff get in the way of what is best for the club, the last few days is a prime example of him doing just that. The problem with KK in this instance is that he hasn't been able to differentiate between what is best for the club and what is best for Kevin Keegan. I'm not talking about whatever the reason was behind him being unhappy, I'm talking about the way that he's gone about things since. The last few days have been devastating for the club and KK has played his part in that, how can that be denied? He's obviously been leaking things to the press either directly or indirectly and those things have damaged the club, he's done this in an effort to pressurise the board into doing things his way. If he was only thinking about the club then he'd have done this behind closed doors and let the power of his argument and his famed powers of persuasion win the day. He hasn't just been thinking about the club, he's been thinking about himself as well and that's lead him to take some serious risks with the future of the club. Those risks have failed to pay off and the club has been damaged as a result.

 

The rest of what you wrote is one sided and based upon speculation, none of us know if he was "forced out", all we know is that he resigned, surely the easiest way to have forced him out would have been to give him the sack.

 

How do you know for sure that he's leaked things to the press?? How do you know it's not been people from the club that's leaked it??

 

The media always find out one way or another what's going on, especially when it's something like a massive bust up!! There was no way that could have been kept quiet.

 

I don't know that he's leaked things to the press, but all the things that have been leaked to the press have been from the point of view of Keegan, none have been critical of him, don't you think that's a bit weird? It's hardly going to have come from the Ashley side is it?

 

"Hi, is that the Daily Mail? Well this is Mike Ashley, I just want you to know that we're trying to undermine Kevin Keegan and force him out. Oh and by the way I'm a total cunt. Yeah you can quote me, but you'll have to use the term "Club insider", bye."

 

Blatantly the leaks have come from either Keegan, someone acting on his behalf, or someone acting in his interests at least. I've not read anything with a positive spin on it from the Ashley point of view, have you?

[indi]

I'm not sure why you are concentrating on the negatives of KK so much Indi when what has happened is that he has come in and been given a job based on false foundations. He has had to resign this time not because of his own personal inadequacies but because he was lied to and the job presented to him was far from how it turned out to be. I like to stick by my principles so I agree 100% with him resigning from the post.

 

And you know that how?

 

 

I'm just presuming he's not lied to the fans.

 

He's contradicted himself numerous times over the last few days, he must have lied at some point. Why is everyone assuming that Keegan is telling the 100% truth and the Ashley side is telling 100% lies? Life doesn't work like that.

[Guest pont-toon]

got told today at just before 6 that KK had gone from someone employed by the club - posted it as soon as i got back from work minutes before sky broke the news

 

anyway the person said that all the support staff at the club and the players (especially the brit pack) were all totally gutted

 

kk was loved around the place

 

hard to replace that

[KaKa]

Newcastle are ready to fight Keegan all the way, however, with a source close to the board pouring scorn on his managerial ability, especially his lack of knowledge of emerging players and the transfer market. It was claimed that Keegan was only interested in signing world-class players, presenting the board with a wish list of signings valued at more than £200 million, including Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry and Frank Lampard.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4678988.ece

 

 

Guys I really think we are going to have to come to terms with the fact Keegan was trying desperately to convince the owner to spend the type of money he didn't want to and was ultimately unsuccesful.

 

He wasn't aware of enough emerging talent, which was the type of squad we wanted to build, and therefore players were brought in for him.

 

He was simply the wrong man to hire. He got caught up in a billionaire taking over as most did, and wanted a ton of big players, but this was never Ashley's plan.

[ToonMonty]

If Poyet gets appointed I say we just let Wullie sort it out

 

Let me sort the fuka out, 6 foot 6, 17 stone less than 10% body fat. I'd murder the fucker!

[Dinho lad]

Newcastle are ready to fight Keegan all the way, however, with a source close to the board pouring scorn on his managerial ability, especially his lack of knowledge of emerging players and the transfer market. It was claimed that Keegan was only interested in signing world-class players, presenting the board with a wish list of signings valued at more than £200 million, including Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry and Frank Lampard.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4678988.ece

 

 

Guys I really think we are going to have to come to terms with the fact Keegan was trying desperately to convince the owner to spend the type of money he didn't want to and was ultimately unsuccesful.

 

He wasn't aware of enough emerging talent, which was the type of squad we wanted to build, and therefore players were brought in for him.

 

He was simply the wrong man to hire. He got caught up in a billionaire taking over as most did, and wanted a ton of big players, but this was never Ashley's plan.

 

media drivel

[Guest johnson293]

Just in from a night out with work - got a text about 7.45 telling me the news - just in and reading some of the posts on here, and on other sites - feel like crying, and not in a good way.  :-[

 

Something is seriously wrong up at St James park, or in London, wherever.

 

Going to bed soon to sleep it off for work in the morning - but don't think the cold light of day is gonna make this situation seem any better!! 

 

[Guest Ian56]

Newcastle are ready to fight Keegan all the way, however, with a source close to the board pouring scorn on his managerial ability, especially his lack of knowledge of emerging players and the transfer market. It was claimed that Keegan was only interested in signing world-class players, presenting the board with a wish list of signings valued at more than £200 million, including Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry and Frank Lampard.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4678988.ece

 

 

Guys I really think we are going to have to come to terms with the fact Keegan was trying desperately to convince the owner to spend the type of money he didn't want to and was ultimately unsuccesful.

 

He wasn't aware of enough emerging talent, which was the type of squad we wanted to build, and therefore players were brought in for him.

 

He was simply the wrong man to hire. He got caught up in a billionaire taking over as most did, and wanted a ton of big players, but this was never Ashley's plan.

 

media drivel

 

Absolute crap. So it begins. Character assassination to rewrite history in order to appease the fans. Ain't going to work chaps.

[johnnypd]

I know this is a shit situation, I know everyone's upset and I know I'm likely to get a load of shit for saying what I've got to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.

 

Do some of you support NUFC or KKFC? It seems that to a lot of people Keegan is way more important than the club, all those saying that their finished with the club, what the fuck are you on about!?! Perhaps Keegan could set up his own team and you could go and support them instead, seriously I know people are emotional at the moment but get a fucking grip!!

 

I like Kevin Keegan, I think he's a great bloke and a decent manager, I think he gets his teams to play football the way it should be played and I'm grateful to him for turning things around for us and getting the club back on its feet. I've also got a huge amount of respect for him for his previous time at NUFC, both as manager and as a player, his arrival in the eighties coinciding with the start of my interest in the club.

 

But the Kevin Keegan I like exists in reality, he has faults and makes mistakes, I still like him. He's stubborn and forces a situation to the extent that it causes the club a huge amount of damage, I still like him. He says he cares about the fans and the club, but doesn't say anything for three days whilst all kinds of shit is kicking off to the detriment of the club and the fans - although they don't seem to realise it - when a simple statement from him could have calmed the situation and protected the club from damage, I still like him.

 

The Kevin Keegan a lot of people seem to worship at the alter of is a myth, he is portrayed as someone who can do no wrong, who is totally selfless and devotes his existence to the furtherance of NUFC with no thought whatsoever to his own well being. He is a god and every word he utters is gospel - even when he contradicts what he said previously - but not only that he is a victim, he is weak and needs protection from the nasty cockneys who were out to get him from the start and are secretly trying to bring us down in the hope that it might benefit Spurs. Keegan is the lord and we will die, or rather kill on his behalf - even if the only thing that dies is the club we're supposed to love.

 

Now what's going to happen if it turns out that Keegan is not entirely blameless in all this?

 

Well, I'll still like him.

 

You on the other hand are left with a choice:

 

Have your illusion shattered, your idol fallen, your dreams dashed and kneejerk totally to the opposite, forever hating his guts and cursing his name.

 

or:

 

Deny reality, continue on with your delusion and pretend things aren't how they really are, shout and scream and bawl out anyone who disagrees with your faith.

 

Because I'm telling you now, no-one, not even Keegan is blameless in this. They've all played their role in this disaster, but only some of them have stuck around to try and sort it out.

 

NUFC's still here, you're supposed to be Newcastle supporters, are you going to support it, or what!?!

 

bit of a straw man argument as you seem to think people assume keegan has no flaws.

 

but that's wrong - the keegan that nufc fans love is the one that made the "i'd Love it if we beat them, love it" statement, the one we know is emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve. it is this passion and the desire to challenge things head on that has partly caused this situation. people arent denying that - they're just looking at it a  bit more deeply than you are and looking at what caused keegan to go head to head with llambias, rather than just focusing on the act of confrontation itself as if it existed in a vacuum  - without very real problems and underlying issues that, i presume, still exist at the club and will be probably be causing the new man the exact same problems 8 months down the line. similar problems have caused Curbishley to walk out at west ham, or Mourinho to leave Chelsea, or Redknapp to leave Southampton.

 

 

So why has everyone who's dared to post something even remotely suggesting that Keegan might be at fault taken shit and abuse by the barrel-load? Plenty of people think he can do no wrong and are not prepared to hear a single word against him, read back through the thread if you don't believe me, it's there in black and white.

 

As for the rest of what you wrote, well you're making the assumption that just because I've criticised Keegan I must think that Ashley and Co can do no wrong and that's simply bollocks. You appear to see the word in a very simple way, black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, Keegan or Ashley, well that's not how I see it so you'll never be able to understand what I'm talking about.

 

i made that post cos i felt you were putting words in other fan's mouths, telling them what they are thinking. i thought that was patronising and demeaning so i pointed out where you were -factually - wrong so you might realise.

 

sadly you have just gotten worse and are throwing shit about telling me how i think and i how see the world.

 

what a fucking joke.

 

another decent poster turns into a raving lunatic.

 

for the record, people are responding to stuff they think is wrong, and it is often loaded because this is an emotional time. but maybe i should leave you to jump to conclusions and tell people their opinions instead of giving others a chance to speak for themselves.

 

Dont think Indi is a lunatic tbh - one of the few keeping their heads.

 

is this 'keeping your head'?

 

"well you're making the assumption that just because I've criticised Keegan I must think that Ashley and Co can do no wrong and that's simply bollocks. You appear to see the word in a very simple way, black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, Keegan or Ashley, well that's not how I see it so you'll never be able to understand what I'm talking about.""

 

looks like a personal attack to me, spouting bollocks about me on a personal level about the way i see the world, when in truth he doesnt know a fucking thing about me.

 

that's not 'keeping your head' - it's losing it.

 

i never assumed indi thinks ashley and co can do no wrong. in fact Indi made a big post assuming huge swathes of fans think Keegan can do no wrong. who is making assumptions there?

 

As per my previous post, my views on the actions of other supporters are based upon:

 

- What I have seen written in this thread and others on here, the evidence for that is here in front of us in black and white.

- The fact that based purely upon rumours reported on SSN as fact there were significant numbers of fans as good as rioting outside SJP, despite knowing precisely jack shit about what had actually gone on, the evidence of which has been playing continuously on our TV screens ever since.

 

Your evidence for me supporting Ashley is based upon me having the gall to criticise Keegan and your assumption that must meen I support Ashley despite me having criticised him for the exact same things as I've criticised Keegan a number of times and at least a couple of times in direct response to you.

 

In other words I have lots of evidence with which to back up my opinion and you have none, in fact you have evidence directly contradicting your opinion, which you've chosen to ignore.

 

If you think that was a personal attack then you obviously live a very sheltered life, good luck to you in the real world, you'll need it.

 

yeah if someone thinks they can tell me and others the way i think and the way I see the world i do see it as a personal attack. i dont like all this infighting amongst the fans but if someone is talking shit about me i will call them on it. that doesn't mean i'm upset about it, just that i don't suffer fools gladly. if anything i am disappointed that this rubbish has come from you who is usually a sage poster.

 

where the hell did i make this assumption that you think ashley can do no wrong. that is YOUR invention. i never said you must either think keegan can do no wrong or ashley can do no wrong, but sadly you have made the accusation that various others have this mindset. why were people protesting? cos football is a passionate sport and feelings run high, basically every media source available was saying keegan was sacked and the club said nothing. there's no clear link that people shouting "ashley out" = i have the idea that keegan is infallible and never makes mistakes. most newcastle fans i know, and i cant speak for all of them as i dont control what they think (might want to ruminate on that point) who are backing keegan are actually of the opinion that he has an emotional, heart on sleeve type personality - hence the outburst back in the 90s. that is not something people are ignoring, it is something they realise about king kev and i for one realise that this has led to the situation of the past three days. however im trying to look at the underlying issues here, the reasons that have led to the situation, rather than focusing on the situation itself as the main topic of discussion which imo misses the point.

 

here's a tip for you, stick to developing your own opinions instead of attributing ideas to other people without their consent.

[Wullie]

Newcastle are ready to fight Keegan all the way, however, with a source close to the board pouring scorn on his managerial ability, especially his lack of knowledge of emerging players and the transfer market. It was claimed that Keegan was only interested in signing world-class players, presenting the board with a wish list of signings valued at more than £200 million, including Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry and Frank Lampard.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4678988.ece

 

 

Guys I really think we are going to have to come to terms with the fact Keegan was trying desperately to convince the owner to spend the type of money he didn't want to and was ultimately unsuccesful.

 

He wasn't aware of enough emerging talent, which was the type of squad we wanted to build, and therefore players were brought in for him.

 

He was simply the wrong man to hire. He got caught up in a billionaire taking over as most did, and wanted a ton of big players, but this was never Ashley's plan.

 

Aye righto.

[Guest Wally_McFool]

 

I agree that the club is broken, I just think KK had a part in doing that.

 

 

and you know this how?  

[Guest]

 

I agree that the club is broken, I just think KK had a part in doing that.

 

 

and you know this how?  

 

Because he's walked and we now have no manager?

[indi]

 

I agree that the club is broken, I just think KK had a part in doing that.

 

 

and you know this how?  

 

"Think", the word was "think", not "know", and I think this for the reasons I've already given, mainly the one Op Nut has pointed out.

[Tooj]

I reckon people from the club are reading this now, and if you are can I just say you're all worse than Hitler.

[morpeth mag]

Just back from a weeks hols and trying to make sense of what I've missed!

 

In hindsight the hiring of KK was a mistake for all concerned. He's just too big a person to take a coaching role but I'm also not sure he knows enough to recruit the young emerging players the business model is based upon. The roles of Wise and KK were just not clear enough and a conflict appeared inevitable from the beginning. I trust KK's judgement on players but it seems like the Board weren't ready to back his marginal calls on Owen / Barton and Milner.

 

I think we'll get a Poyet / Marcelino / Deschamps coach in the short term and Ashley may be able to ride this out if results go well. Otherwise we'll have to hope for a wealthy buyer.

 

I'd also comment that things have fallen apart since Mort left and that his political skills are missed at a Board level but also in the communication from the club.

 

I'm sad that KK has gone but had a feeling that it was 'Back to the Future' when he came back in Jan and that we should have gone contintental then. Having said that KK certainly moved the team on in his six months. I was won over by my memories of the past against what my head said was right.

 

I'm not sure where I stand on the Summer's xfer activity. The Argentinians are certainly impressive - I just wish there were four not two similar quality signings. Jury out on Xisco. I think, like KK, I was expecting a bit more quality and quantity on the incoming front. Selling Milner is a decision I'm comfortable with for £10-12m but it is a decision that will only be justified next season now.

 

Finally I think it has to be Poyet as manager. He is a good coach and could work with Hughton (Who I rate) and Wise.

 

[indi]

I know this is a shit situation, I know everyone's upset and I know I'm likely to get a load of shit for saying what I've got to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.

 

Do some of you support NUFC or KKFC? It seems that to a lot of people Keegan is way more important than the club, all those saying that their finished with the club, what the fuck are you on about!?! Perhaps Keegan could set up his own team and you could go and support them instead, seriously I know people are emotional at the moment but get a fucking grip!!

 

I like Kevin Keegan, I think he's a great bloke and a decent manager, I think he gets his teams to play football the way it should be played and I'm grateful to him for turning things around for us and getting the club back on its feet. I've also got a huge amount of respect for him for his previous time at NUFC, both as manager and as a player, his arrival in the eighties coinciding with the start of my interest in the club.

 

But the Kevin Keegan I like exists in reality, he has faults and makes mistakes, I still like him. He's stubborn and forces a situation to the extent that it causes the club a huge amount of damage, I still like him. He says he cares about the fans and the club, but doesn't say anything for three days whilst all kinds of shit is kicking off to the detriment of the club and the fans - although they don't seem to realise it - when a simple statement from him could have calmed the situation and protected the club from damage, I still like him.

 

The Kevin Keegan a lot of people seem to worship at the alter of is a myth, he is portrayed as someone who can do no wrong, who is totally selfless and devotes his existence to the furtherance of NUFC with no thought whatsoever to his own well being. He is a god and every word he utters is gospel - even when he contradicts what he said previously - but not only that he is a victim, he is weak and needs protection from the nasty cockneys who were out to get him from the start and are secretly trying to bring us down in the hope that it might benefit Spurs. Keegan is the lord and we will die, or rather kill on his behalf - even if the only thing that dies is the club we're supposed to love.

 

Now what's going to happen if it turns out that Keegan is not entirely blameless in all this?

 

Well, I'll still like him.

 

You on the other hand are left with a choice:

 

Have your illusion shattered, your idol fallen, your dreams dashed and kneejerk totally to the opposite, forever hating his guts and cursing his name.

 

or:

 

Deny reality, continue on with your delusion and pretend things aren't how they really are, shout and scream and bawl out anyone who disagrees with your faith.

 

Because I'm telling you now, no-one, not even Keegan is blameless in this. They've all played their role in this disaster, but only some of them have stuck around to try and sort it out.

 

NUFC's still here, you're supposed to be Newcastle supporters, are you going to support it, or what!?!

 

bit of a straw man argument as you seem to think people assume keegan has no flaws.

 

but that's wrong - the keegan that nufc fans love is the one that made the "i'd Love it if we beat them, love it" statement, the one we know is emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve. it is this passion and the desire to challenge things head on that has partly caused this situation. people arent denying that - they're just looking at it a  bit more deeply than you are and looking at what caused keegan to go head to head with llambias, rather than just focusing on the act of confrontation itself as if it existed in a vacuum  - without very real problems and underlying issues that, i presume, still exist at the club and will be probably be causing the new man the exact same problems 8 months down the line. similar problems have caused Curbishley to walk out at west ham, or Mourinho to leave Chelsea, or Redknapp to leave Southampton.

 

 

So why has everyone who's dared to post something even remotely suggesting that Keegan might be at fault taken shit and abuse by the barrel-load? Plenty of people think he can do no wrong and are not prepared to hear a single word against him, read back through the thread if you don't believe me, it's there in black and white.

 

As for the rest of what you wrote, well you're making the assumption that just because I've criticised Keegan I must think that Ashley and Co can do no wrong and that's simply bollocks. You appear to see the word in a very simple way, black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, Keegan or Ashley, well that's not how I see it so you'll never be able to understand what I'm talking about.

 

i made that post cos i felt you were putting words in other fan's mouths, telling them what they are thinking. i thought that was patronising and demeaning so i pointed out where you were -factually - wrong so you might realise.

 

sadly you have just gotten worse and are throwing shit about telling me how i think and i how see the world.

 

what a fucking joke.

 

another decent poster turns into a raving lunatic.

 

for the record, people are responding to stuff they think is wrong, and it is often loaded because this is an emotional time. but maybe i should leave you to jump to conclusions and tell people their opinions instead of giving others a chance to speak for themselves.

 

Dont think Indi is a lunatic tbh - one of the few keeping their heads.

 

is this 'keeping your head'?

 

"well you're making the assumption that just because I've criticised Keegan I must think that Ashley and Co can do no wrong and that's simply bollocks. You appear to see the word in a very simple way, black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, Keegan or Ashley, well that's not how I see it so you'll never be able to understand what I'm talking about.""

 

looks like a personal attack to me, spouting bollocks about me on a personal level about the way i see the world, when in truth he doesnt know a fucking thing about me.

 

that's not 'keeping your head' - it's losing it.

 

i never assumed indi thinks ashley and co can do no wrong. in fact Indi made a big post assuming huge swathes of fans think Keegan can do no wrong. who is making assumptions there?

 

As per my previous post, my views on the actions of other supporters are based upon:

 

- What I have seen written in this thread and others on here, the evidence for that is here in front of us in black and white.

- The fact that based purely upon rumours reported on SSN as fact there were significant numbers of fans as good as rioting outside SJP, despite knowing precisely jack shit about what had actually gone on, the evidence of which has been playing continuously on our TV screens ever since.

 

Your evidence for me supporting Ashley is based upon me having the gall to criticise Keegan and your assumption that must meen I support Ashley despite me having criticised him for the exact same things as I've criticised Keegan a number of times and at least a couple of times in direct response to you.

 

In other words I have lots of evidence with which to back up my opinion and you have none, in fact you have evidence directly contradicting your opinion, which you've chosen to ignore.

 

If you think that was a personal attack then you obviously live a very sheltered life, good luck to you in the real world, you'll need it.

 

yeah if someone thinks they can tell me and others the way i think and the way I see the world i do see it as a personal attack. i dont like all this infighting amongst the fans but if someone is talking shit about me i will call them on it. that doesn't mean i'm upset about it, just that i don't suffer fools gladly. if anything i am disappointed that this rubbish has come from you who is usually a sage poster.

 

where the hell did i make this assumption that you think ashley can do no wrong. that is YOUR invention. i never said you must either think keegan can do no wrong or ashley can do no wrong, but sadly you have made the accusation that various others have this mindset. why were people protesting? cos football is a passionate sport and feelings run high, basically every media source available was saying keegan was sacked and the club said nothing. there's no clear link that people shouting "ashley out" = i have the idea that keegan is infallible and never makes mistakes. most newcastle fans i know, and i cant speak for all of them as i dont control what they think (might want to ruminate on that point) who are backing keegan are actually of the opinion that he has an emotional, heart on sleeve type personality - hence the outburst back in the 90s. that is not something people are ignoring, it is something they realise about king kev and i for one realise that this has led to the situation of the past three days. however im trying to look at the underlying issues here, the reasons that have led to the situation, rather than focusing on the situation itself as the main topic of discussion which imo misses the point.

 

here's a tip for you, stick to developing your own opinions instead of attributing ideas to other people without their consent.

 

Well I feel similarly about you and what you've said, but I'm not going to slag you off, I'd prefer to criticise the parts of your opinion that I disagree with.

 

You're being way too sensitive about what I've said, I've told you why I think it and given the evidence to back that up, if you don't fit into the group of people I'm talking about then fine, don't include yourself by getting offended and calling it a personal attack.

 

Anyway, I'm finished with this conversation as it has become about you and I rather than Keegan and Ashley and I'm sorry, but I don't find you or I interesting enough to talk about any more, so I'm not going to.