TRon Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Do they know something we don't or is it vice versa? Zog, Robert, Enrique and Kluivert for example seemed to be disliked by some managers. Butt, Ameobi, Speed and Smith on the other hand, seem to have been more appreciated by them than us. Do we lack football knowledge or do they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well the managers see them train and get to know them as people, we don't. Luque is one that really fell out of favour with Roeder thinking back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 They appear to rank effort (er, not sure how Ameobi fits into this ) over ability a lot of the time. Sometimes it's fully justified, others not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The fact Charlie hasn't done anything really for two and a half years might be the reason why managers don't love him so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robm Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Could never understand SBR with Nobby. Really had a thing about him. Warren Barton on the other hand couldnt put a foot wrong the cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Luque was the one, we got to see our whole reserves team get a taste of first team football just so he dosn't, i remember Shola played on the left wing for a couple of month aswell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Do they know something we don't or is it vice versa? Zog, Robert, Enrique and Kluivert for example seemed to be disliked by some managers. Butt, Ameobi, Speed and Smith on the other hand, seem to have been more appreciated by them than us. Do we lack football knowledge or do they? Speed? how the fuck can you put him on that list with the other 3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Do they know something we don't or is it vice versa? Zog, Robert, Enrique and Kluivert for example seemed to be disliked by some managers. Butt, Ameobi, Speed and Smith on the other hand, seem to have been more appreciated by them than us. Do we lack football knowledge or do they? Speed? how the fuck can you put him on that list with the other 3? totally with Big TRon here, speed was disliked by quite a lot and even booed on occasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The fact Charlie hasn't done anything really for two and a half years might be the reason why managers don't love him so to speak. who are the player, owen aside, who have done anything of note in that time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Do they know something we don't or is it vice versa? Zog, Robert, Enrique and Kluivert for example seemed to be disliked by some managers. Butt, Ameobi, Speed and Smith on the other hand, seem to have been more appreciated by them than us. Do we lack football knowledge or do they? Speed? how the fuck can you put him on that list with the other 3? totally with Big TRon here, speed was disliked by quite a lot and even booed on occasion. totally undeserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Jenas. Scary the amount of managers, at club level and for England, who are picking that total and utter waste of a shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The fact Charlie hasn't done anything really for two and a half years might be the reason why managers don't love him so to speak. who are the player, owen aside, who have done anything of note in that time? It's true there aren't many, but N'Zogbia has been a massive under achiever in the last two and a half years. Strange that he's still so popular tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Can see Kinnear dropping Martins when Owen returns, getting him into that first category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Cant believe nobody said Ranger yet When Cole scored 34 goals in 40 games for us in his first season in the prem and still wasnt called up to the England squad,thought it was a strange one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Speed? how the f*** can you put him on that list with the other 3? Speed was given loads of stick when he first arrived and was played on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest koenji Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Do they know something we don't or is it vice versa? Zog, Robert, Enrique and Kluivert for example seemed to be disliked by some managers. Butt, Ameobi, Speed and Smith on the other hand, seem to have been more appreciated by them than us. Do we lack football knowledge or do they? Speed? how the f*** can you put him on that list with the other 3? totally with Big TRon here, speed was disliked by quite a lot and even booed on occasion. totally undeserved. true that. I remember he was pretty crap or rather mediocre at best in the early days of when he signed but nobody should be booed whilst they`re wearing the shirt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 bellamy can't believe no one has mentioned him yet. it's shite when you think souness ended up making bellamy and robert leave, and effectively ruin kluivert's career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 bellamy can't believe no one has mentioned him yet. it's s**** when you think souness ended up making bellamy and robert leave, and effectively ruin kluivert's career To be fair to Souness (not that I really want to be fair to him) but Kluivert ruined his own career I think, he didn't need anybody else's help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Bellamy was the biggest example of a manager having too big an ego to swallow his pride for the good of the team. I think sometimes if players cross over from confident to arrogant, that's where the problems arise. Particularly with old school managers like Souness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The fact Charlie hasn't done anything really for two and a half years might be the reason why managers don't love him so to speak. who are the player, owen aside, who have done anything of note in that time? It's true there aren't many, but N'Zogbia has been a massive under achiever in the last two and a half years. Strange that he's still so popular tbh. His popularity is based on what he's produced in the past and is capable of producing, in theory anyway. I like Zog but he's got an attitude problem. There are times when he looks like he can't be bothered and that's probably the reason he has been consistently over-looked by successive managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Just remembered another fans favourite who wasn't rated by his manager, Ginola during Dalglish's time here. That was just due to Dalglish's over-cautious nature. Some of his line ups were so defensive and lacking in flair players it was like watching paint dry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Jenas. Scary the amount of managers, at club level and for England, who are picking that total and utter waste of a shirt. Reading the thread topic on a mirror? From the current squad, Enrique perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The fact Charlie hasn't done anything really for two and a half years might be the reason why managers don't love him so to speak. who are the player, owen aside, who have done anything of note in that time? It's true there aren't many, but N'Zogbia has been a massive under achiever in the last two and a half years. Strange that he's still so popular tbh. His popularity is based on what he's produced in the past and is capable of producing, in theory anyway. I like Zog but he's got an attitude problem. There are times when he looks like he can't be bothered and that's probably the reason he has been consistently over-looked by successive managers. It started to go wrong for Zog in the season when Roeder assumed control without Shearer at his side. Up until then he had shown a lot of promise and was starting to look like a player. Duff was signed and became a lock for the wide left slot and Zog went into reverse. Clearly there were attitude problems coming out as well and Roeder couldn't deal with him (in much the same way that he couldn't deal with Luque). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Do they know something we don't or is it vice versa? Zog, Robert, Enrique and Kluivert for example seemed to be disliked by some managers. Butt, Ameobi, Speed and Smith on the other hand, seem to have been more appreciated by them than us. Do we lack football knowledge or do they? Speed? how the f*** can you put him on that list with the other 3? totally with Big TRon here, speed was disliked by quite a lot and even booed on occasion. Most of that was when Kenny D signed him instead of Georgi Kinkladze & played Speed on the left wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The fact Charlie hasn't done anything really for two and a half years might be the reason why managers don't love him so to speak. who are the player, owen aside, who have done anything of note in that time? It's true there aren't many, but N'Zogbia has been a massive under achiever in the last two and a half years. Strange that he's still so popular tbh. His popularity is based on what he's produced in the past and is capable of producing, in theory anyway. I like Zog but he's got an attitude problem. There are times when he looks like he can't be bothered and that's probably the reason he has been consistently over-looked by successive managers. Aye it just amazes me that Taylor has gone backwards he rightly gets hammered for it, whereas N'Zogbia has arguably gone backwards just as much, and he's still seen as the future of the club. He has the potential to be a good player, but he's done nothing to realise that potential for a good few years, & is in danger of ending up like another Ameobi, where he'll turn 27 and people will still be claiming he's due another chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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