mackems 2 - 1 Newcastle United - 25/10/08 - post-match depression from page 18

[Tooj]

Not looking forward to work on Monday with the Mackem element there like.

[fredbob]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

I think JK is ok as an interim manager and have said that from the start. He got this one wrong, but I can remember people tearing their hair out over some of Keegan's selctions last season as well before he finally clicked by dropping Smith and Duff and bringing in Viduka and Martins.

 

Let's not knee jerk too quickly eh?

 

 

Ironic much?

 

I never said he was a s*** manager blah blah blah, I'm not talking about his merits as manager of our club, all im saying is that in my eyes he was 90% responsible for that result, the team selection wasnt great, the subs werent great, the tactics were appaling in my opinion, he set that team out to be scared of the sunderland team, long ball etc etc.

 

 

The team selection was fine going off what he'd seen previously. Geremi and Duff disappearing up their own arses is something those of us who have been watching a while have got used to, but JK obviously thought they would perform like in the last two games.

 

The subs weren't great, I'll agree on that. If the long ball was a ploy rather than just players losing their nerve and hoofing it then I'll agree on that as well.

 

If its fair to say Joe is responsible for tactics then what are we arguing about?

 

I'm not convinced it was tactics which lost the game, rather than players not showing up when the pressure was on. To play pass and move the players have to want the ball, not go into hiding.

 

Isnt this where the skill of the manager comes into play? You know, to make sure the players do this. Surely he wouldnt of let them play like that for the whole 90 if it was never the plan.

 

Possibly. I can remember it used to happen even in SBR's time though, especially in his last year in charge. Players took the easy option and whacked it long to Shearer.

 

So wasnt SBR ultimately responsible for that? Simple point mate.

[johnnypd]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

 

Oh I'm so torn up inside because the local Geordies don't accept me as a Newcastle supporter! Whatever will I do with myself!

 

If you think that gets to me your dead wrong. I'll support who the hell I want and in whaatever manner I choose too.

 

One thing I know for sure is that I support the club a whole lot better than some of the lot that gaze at the Tyne bridge all day. Verty ignorant statement.

 

Anyway ... my point about over reacting was in relation too dragging up the whole Ashley vs the Geordies bollox because we lost a close derby game at a very improved Sunderland side.

 

That is an embarrassing over reaction. By all means vent your frustraton over the game, but for f*** sake the world vs Ashley nonsense has been done to death already. No need drudging it up after every loss. Pathetic.

 

 

 

first defeat on wearisde in 28 years or something. this is a big deal, if you don't think so then wullie's got a point. mebbe the non local fans don't see the derby as such a big match, fair enough as they arent from the area so might not understand the nature of the rivalry, but that doesnt mean they should come on here and tell the locals they are over-reacting and embarrasing. f***ing bullshit.

 

Being from Hull and supporting Hull FC (the rugby league team), I know exactly what rivalry on this scale means due to having another professional team in the City, Hull KR.

 

I know how much today meant, I'm feeling it inside, it's f***ing s***. The only other time I've felt like this is when Hull KR have beaten us. I maybe don't fully understand the level of bitterness between the two clubs but can imagine it, due to how bitter the Hull FC-Hull KR rivalry is.

 

The rivalries in my eyes are quite similar. Simple points like we play in black and white, they play in red and white. We have the superior fan base, superior stadium, etc. One thing that is certain, is that the level of rivalry/bitterness is extremely high and there isn't another one like it in the two respective sports in this country. There is no bigger rivalry in rugby league than Hull FC and Hull KR. There is no bigger rivalry in football than Newcastle and Sunderland.

 

Local Derbies mean more than any other game, I know this mainly from rugby. It's the first game you look for when the fixtures come out and the games you're most excited about. It's the best feeling when you win, but hurts like hell when you lose. Everybody reacts their own way, although when you lose a Derby game it is usually a worse reaction due to the nature of the game with so much at stake. Like I've said, it f***ing hurts like hell inside. Maybe not on the same level as some of you guys, but it's certainly right up there.

 

as i said, i think most fans from outside the area will feel like s*** too but there'll also be some who don't understand it. i don't object to that - if they arent from the area they may well have less knowledge about the rivalry.

 

but what i do object to is those people coming on and telling the local fans - or fans who are just as upset as a local would be - that they are over-reacting, embarrasing and pathetic. that's beyond the pale afaic. maybe The Libertine should stop and consider this point.

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah now I understand!!!

 

In order for me to express how upset I am at the result I have to rant on about the board etc. yet again and ruin another freakin' thread yet again. That'll show the locals how much I care! Then they'll accept me once and for all and my life will be complete. f*** that.

 

Bloody clueless.

 

We didn't get the job done today and we weren't good enough. We need to get our act together sharpish and get a result on Tuesday and I am very confident of this with Barton and Jonas back now. This is the reality of what is going on now.

 

You guys can keep crying about Ashley and the board till your eyes fall out.

 

I think your point has been missed, sadly.

 

No biggie ... I think in general people just want to believe whatever they want to. It's a lot more convenient.

 

The same lot that rubbish any sort of support that isn't immediately local, long for a foreigner to come in and spend billions on their club, regardless of how much they actually care about football nevermind their actual football clubs.

 

It's all fascinating to me.

 

 

 

 

who is rubbishing any sort of support that isnt immediately local? certainly not me if you read my posts. but continue to play the victim if you please

[Dave]

No biggie ... I think in general people just want to believe whatever they want to. It's a lot more convenient.

 

The same lot that rubbish any sort of support that isn't immediately local, long for a foreigner to come in and spend billions on their club, regardless of how much they actually care about football nevermind their actual football clubs.

 

It's all fascinating to me.

 

Who's that like?

[Guest elbee909]

As long as this same fixture is a fucking annihilation of the scum next season, I'll let them have this one.

[johnnypd]

As long as this same fixture is a fucking annihilation of the scum next season, I'll let them have this one.

 

beating them by more than 2-1 at home will do me

[Wullie]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

Squirm? Of course Keegan would have won this game, like he did last year at a canter.

 

So your point about Wise and the quality of squad is f***ing invalid if Keegan would of got a better result witht he exact same squad. Not rocket science like.

 

Not really. The reason Ashley backed Wise instead of Keegan was because he thought the squad was so good that the manager didn't matter. Not rocket science like.

 

Is that a reason or a wild guess? And what exactly has that got to do with this match?? 

 

If the squads the same yet you think you;d get 2 different results with different managers then the only variable here is the manager and therefore the manager is repsonsible for the loss. Rocket science is probably too much for you so how about we move it to "join the dots".

 

Are you dim or something?

 

Ashley is to blame for the squad situation, the manager situation and our first defeat off this lot for 8 years, first away for 28 years. Does that clear things up?

 

mackems.gif

 

Oh my god. that is embarressing logic, so Ashley is responsible for every single result we have this season be it good or bad? Thats borderline idiotic i'm afraid.

 

You admit that another manager would of got a better result with the same squad but still go on to say the squad is the reason we're losing, scratch that, that is idiotic.

 

So, same car, different drivers different results yet the cars and the builders of the car are the reason for the loss. 

 

Credit to you for being this passionate though, feel free to let that get in the way of logic.

 

Honestly haven't got a clue what you're gibbering about now. The squad AND the manager both make a difference on the result of a football match.  This is not a difficult concept.

 

f*** me - this is impossible. do you even know how you started this debate, by blaming Wise and Asley for the quality of the squad and therefore this loss. Then you go on to say that Keegan would of got a result with the EXACT same squad. So how can you say the quality of the squad was the reason we lost this result.

 

I've even simplified it for you and you still dont get it.

 

Squad A + Keegan = Win (in your eyes)

Squad A + JK = Loss

 

The only variable here is the managers so that can be the only thing responsible for the differing results. That is scientific fact you bamp.

:lol:

 

I'm going to assume that the people who matter on this forum are able to understand how dim you look.

 

Even if the managers were the only variables (which they're not), Ashley forced Keegan out by backing his slimey mates. So it's his fault. Right?

 

Keegan wouldn't have lost against a dismal lot like these scumbags but even he wouldn't have been able to work miracles with the squad he was offered by Ashley and his chums to make any significant progress.

[Wullie]

No biggie ... I think in general people just want to believe whatever they want to. It's a lot more convenient.

 

The same lot that rubbish any sort of support that isn't immediately local, long for a foreigner to come in and spend billions on their club, regardless of how much they actually care about football nevermind their actual football clubs.

 

It's all fascinating to me.

 

Who's that like?

 

Me. You're a cunt Dave.

[TRon]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

I think JK is ok as an interim manager and have said that from the start. He got this one wrong, but I can remember people tearing their hair out over some of Keegan's selctions last season as well before he finally clicked by dropping Smith and Duff and bringing in Viduka and Martins.

 

Let's not knee jerk too quickly eh?

 

 

Ironic much?

 

I never said he was a s*** manager blah blah blah, I'm not talking about his merits as manager of our club, all im saying is that in my eyes he was 90% responsible for that result, the team selection wasnt great, the subs werent great, the tactics were appaling in my opinion, he set that team out to be scared of the sunderland team, long ball etc etc.

 

 

The team selection was fine going off what he'd seen previously. Geremi and Duff disappearing up their own arses is something those of us who have been watching a while have got used to, but JK obviously thought they would perform like in the last two games.

 

The subs weren't great, I'll agree on that. If the long ball was a ploy rather than just players losing their nerve and hoofing it then I'll agree on that as well.

 

If its fair to say Joe is responsible for tactics then what are we arguing about?

 

I'm not convinced it was tactics which lost the game, rather than players not showing up when the pressure was on. To play pass and move the players have to want the ball, not go into hiding.

 

Isnt this where the skill of the manager comes into play? You know, to make sure the players do this. Surely he wouldnt of let them play like that for the whole 90 if it was never the plan.

 

Possibly. I can remember it used to happen even in SBR's time though, especially in his last year in charge. Players took the easy option and whacked it long to Shearer.

 

So wasnt SBR ultimately responsible for that? Simple point mate.

 

You also need players who can keep their heads and execute the game plan when the heat is on. So Duff for example might be shit hot in a friendly against Darlington, but might go missing in the frenzy of a local derby. The point i was making about JK is that he's fairly new to these players so he might not know much about them just yet.

[Dave]

No biggie ... I think in general people just want to believe whatever they want to. It's a lot more convenient.

 

The same lot that rubbish any sort of support that isn't immediately local, long for a foreigner to come in and spend billions on their club, regardless of how much they actually care about football nevermind their actual football clubs.

 

It's all fascinating to me.

 

Who's that like?

 

Me. You're a cunt Dave.

 

 

And you said you loved me.

[James]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

Squirm? Of course Keegan would have won this game, like he did last year at a canter.

 

So your point about Wise and the quality of squad is f***ing invalid if Keegan would of got a better result witht he exact same squad. Not rocket science like.

 

Not really. The reason Ashley backed Wise instead of Keegan was because he thought the squad was so good that the manager didn't matter. Not rocket science like.

 

Is that a reason or a wild guess? And what exactly has that got to do with this match?? 

 

If the squads the same yet you think you;d get 2 different results with different managers then the only variable here is the manager and therefore the manager is repsonsible for the loss. Rocket science is probably too much for you so how about we move it to "join the dots".

 

Are you dim or something?

 

Ashley is to blame for the squad situation, the manager situation and our first defeat off this lot for 8 years, first away for 28 years. Does that clear things up?

 

mackems.gif

 

Oh my god. that is embarressing logic, so Ashley is responsible for every single result we have this season be it good or bad? Thats borderline idiotic i'm afraid.

 

You admit that another manager would of got a better result with the same squad but still go on to say the squad is the reason we're losing, scratch that, that is idiotic.

 

So, same car, different drivers different results yet the cars and the builders of the car are the reason for the loss. 

 

Credit to you for being this passionate though, feel free to let that get in the way of logic.

 

Honestly haven't got a clue what you're gibbering about now. The squad AND the manager both make a difference on the result of a football match.  This is not a difficult concept.

 

f*** me - this is impossible. do you even know how you started this debate, by blaming Wise and Asley for the quality of the squad and therefore this loss. Then you go on to say that Keegan would of got a result with the EXACT same squad. So how can you say the quality of the squad was the reason we lost this result.

 

I've even simplified it for you and you still dont get it.

 

Squad A + Keegan = Win (in your eyes)

Squad A + JK = Loss

 

The only variable here is the managers so that can be the only thing responsible for the differing results. That is scientific fact you bamp.

:lol:

 

I'm going to assume that the people who matter on this forum are able to understand how dim you look.

 

Even if the managers were the only variables (which they're not), Ashley forced Keegan out by backing his slimey mates. So it's his fault. Right?

 

Keegan wouldn't have lost against a dismal lot like these scumbags but even he wouldn't have been able to work miracles with the squad he was offered by Ashley and his chums to make any significant progress.

 

Robson would have stayed.

[Guest elbee909]

Celebratory incest abound on Wearside tonight.  Nine months from now, yet more of the slackjaws will be slopping out onto the dirt-roads.

[Mistle17]

Im not from Newcastle- Im from Kent of all places and I now live in Ireland- but todays result hurts like fuck. Its really depressing and is probably the lowest I've been for a while supporting the Toon....and we've had some low points this season already.

My mood is effected just as much as the locals of Newcastle with the results of NUFC so I think it effects all supporters, local or non-local.

[Guest elbee909]

I can honestly say the 1-2 at home under Gullit felt worse than this.

[JoeyBartoon]

You would think we would've won the league under Keegan the way some folk are going on. Tbh, Ashley and Keegan can both fuck off, they BOTH let the fans down. It's obvious that we would be playing better under Keegan, we all seen that at the beginning of the season, but to say that we would have won today if he was in charge is ridiculous, we had vital players missing.

 

Today was always going to be a struggle, I think we all knew that. With the players we had missing (Jonas, Barton, Owen) it was always going to be a diffcult task. The game as a whole was pretty poor in quality. The passing in the wide areas was poor and predictable, although you could say that the shit movement of our players probably never helped. Saying that, I couldn't believe how average the mackems were, considering all the money they've spunked recently. The only player who really concerned me was Cisse who seemed to be cause problems with his runs. Other than that I thought the game was pretty even, and it really could have gone either way.

 

We've got big games coming up and it's important that everyone connected to the club sticks together. Yes today hurts, you wouldn't be a fan if it didn't. But falling out over who is to blame is just stupid.

 

[KaKa]

Im not from Newcastle- Im from Kent of all places and I now live in Ireland- but todays result hurts like f***. Its really depressing and is probably the lowest I've been for a while supporting the Toon....and we've had some low points this season already.

My mood is effected just as much as the locals of Newcastle with the results of NUFC so I think it effects all supporters, local or non-local.

 

Who cares? If you ain't seen the tyne bridge your obviously just faking it.

 

Get over it.

[Tooj]

Im not from Newcastle- Im from Kent of all places and I now live in Ireland- but todays result hurts like f***. Its really depressing and is probably the lowest I've been for a while supporting the Toon....and we've had some low points this season already.

My mood is effected just as much as the locals of Newcastle with the results of NUFC so I think it effects all supporters, local or non-local.

 

Who cares? If you ain't seen the tyne bridge your obviously just faking it.

 

Get over it.

 

What rubbish.

[johnnypd]

Im not from Newcastle- Im from Kent of all places and I now live in Ireland- but todays result hurts like fuck. Its really depressing and is probably the lowest I've been for a while supporting the Toon....and we've had some low points this season already.

My mood is effected just as much as the locals of Newcastle with the results of NUFC so I think it effects all supporters, local or non-local.

 

most fans no matter where they are from are going to be hurting from this more than they would a normal defeat. it sucks. thankfully our next match is only a few days away.

[fredbob]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

Squirm? Of course Keegan would have won this game, like he did last year at a canter.

 

So your point about Wise and the quality of squad is f***ing invalid if Keegan would of got a better result witht he exact same squad. Not rocket science like.

 

Not really. The reason Ashley backed Wise instead of Keegan was because he thought the squad was so good that the manager didn't matter. Not rocket science like.

 

Is that a reason or a wild guess? And what exactly has that got to do with this match?? 

 

If the squads the same yet you think you;d get 2 different results with different managers then the only variable here is the manager and therefore the manager is repsonsible for the loss. Rocket science is probably too much for you so how about we move it to "join the dots".

 

Are you dim or something?

 

Ashley is to blame for the squad situation, the manager situation and our first defeat off this lot for 8 years, first away for 28 years. Does that clear things up?

 

mackems.gif

 

Oh my god. that is embarressing logic, so Ashley is responsible for every single result we have this season be it good or bad? Thats borderline idiotic i'm afraid.

 

You admit that another manager would of got a better result with the same squad but still go on to say the squad is the reason we're losing, scratch that, that is idiotic.

 

So, same car, different drivers different results yet the cars and the builders of the car are the reason for the loss.   

 

Credit to you for being this passionate though, feel free to let that get in the way of logic.

 

Honestly haven't got a clue what you're gibbering about now. The squad AND the manager both make a difference on the result of a football match.  This is not a difficult concept.

 

f*** me - this is impossible. do you even know how you started this debate, by blaming Wise and Asley for the quality of the squad and therefore this loss. Then you go on to say that Keegan would of got a result with the EXACT same squad. So how can you say the quality of the squad was the reason we lost this result.

 

I've even simplified it for you and you still dont get it.

 

Squad A + Keegan = Win (in your eyes)

Squad A + JK = Loss

 

The only variable here is the managers so that can be the only thing responsible for the differing results. That is scientific fact you bamp.

:lol:

 

I'm going to assume that the people who matter on this forum are able to understand how dim you look.

 

Even if the managers were the only variables (which they're not), Ashley forced Keegan out by backing his slimey mates. So it's his fault. Right?

 

Keegan wouldn't have lost against a dismal lot like these scumbags but even he wouldn't have been able to work miracles with the squad he was offered by Ashley and his chums to make any significant progress.

 

mackems.gif

 

"people who matter on this football forum"

 

I was gonna give up mate, but you're just way too much fun.  

 

So if we'd won this match would Ashley of been responsible for this win 'for getting rid of keegan'? Thats pretty much the see-saw logic you're applying there mate. Good one.

 

Cue a reply of "well we didnt win this", missing the point yet again.

 

i cant believe your are going to make Ashley responsible for every single 90 minute result we play from now on in be it win or loss.

 

 

[80]

Keegan wouldn't have lost against a dismal lot like these scumbags but even he wouldn't have been able to work miracles with the squad he was offered by Ashley and his chums to make any significant progress.

 

Robson would have stayed.

 

Arguably a problem in his own right. Too old school for his/our good.

[KaKa]

You would think we would've won the league under Keegan the way some folk are going on. Tbh, Ashley and Keegan can both f*** off, they BOTH let the fans down. It's obvious that we would be playing better under Keegan, we all seen that at the beginning of the season, but to say that we would have won today if he was in charge is ridiculous, we had vital players missing.

 

Today was always going to be a struggle, I think we all knew that. With the players we had missing (Jonas, Barton, Owen) it was always going to be a diffcult task. The game as a whole was pretty poor in quality. The passing in the wide areas was poor and predictable, although you could say that the s*** movement of our players probably never helped. Saying that, I couldn't believe how average the mackems were, considering all the money they've spunked recently. The only player who really concerned me was Cisse who seemed to be cause problems with his runs. Other than that I thought the game was pretty even, and it really could have gone either way.

 

We've got big games coming up and it's important that everyone connected to the club sticks together. Yes today hurts, you wouldn't be a fan if it didn't. But falling out over who is to blame is just stupid.

 

 

Great to see someone else watched the same game I did.

 

We were very capable of winning this game today. In fact if that freekick is kept out just before Jonas and Barton come on, I believe we go on to win it.

 

Cisse was a threat and that was about it.

 

No one truly knows the state arton and Jonas are in, so saying they should have been brought on earlier is a bit naive. They will be very important for us the rest of the way if we are to steer well clear of the bottom three, so it would have been crazy to take any massive risks with their fitness.

[JH]

Im not from Newcastle- Im from Kent of all places and I now live in Ireland- but todays result hurts like f***. Its really depressing and is probably the lowest I've been for a while supporting the Toon....and we've had some low points this season already.

My mood is effected just as much as the locals of Newcastle with the results of NUFC so I think it effects all supporters, local or non-local.

 

Who cares? If you ain't seen the tyne bridge your obviously just faking it.

 

Get over it.

 

I've got you a present:

 

http://www.lakewoodconferences.com/direct/dbimage/50247306/Door.jpg

 

Why don't you use it?

[Parky]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

Squirm? Of course Keegan would have won this game, like he did last year at a canter.

 

So your point about Wise and the quality of squad is f***ing invalid if Keegan would of got a better result witht he exact same squad. Not rocket science like.

 

Not really. The reason Ashley backed Wise instead of Keegan was because he thought the squad was so good that the manager didn't matter. Not rocket science like.

 

Is that a reason or a wild guess? And what exactly has that got to do with this match?? 

 

If the squads the same yet you think you;d get 2 different results with different managers then the only variable here is the manager and therefore the manager is repsonsible for the loss. Rocket science is probably too much for you so how about we move it to "join the dots".

 

Are you dim or something?

 

Ashley is to blame for the squad situation, the manager situation and our first defeat off this lot for 8 years, first away for 28 years. Does that clear things up?

 

mackems.gif

 

Oh my god. that is embarressing logic, so Ashley is responsible for every single result we have this season be it good or bad? Thats borderline idiotic i'm afraid.

 

You admit that another manager would of got a better result with the same squad but still go on to say the squad is the reason we're losing, scratch that, that is idiotic.

 

So, same car, different drivers different results yet the cars and the builders of the car are the reason for the loss.  

 

Credit to you for being this passionate though, feel free to let that get in the way of logic.

 

Honestly haven't got a clue what you're gibbering about now. The squad AND the manager both make a difference on the result of a football match.  This is not a difficult concept.

 

f*** me - this is impossible. do you even know how you started this debate, by blaming Wise and Asley for the quality of the squad and therefore this loss. Then you go on to say that Keegan would of got a result with the EXACT same squad. So how can you say the quality of the squad was the reason we lost this result.

 

I've even simplified it for you and you still dont get it.

 

Squad A + Keegan = Win (in your eyes)

Squad A + JK = Loss

 

The only variable here is the managers so that can be the only thing responsible for the differing results. That is scientific fact you bamp.

:lol:

 

I'm going to assume that the people who matter on this forum are able to understand how dim you look.

 

Even if the managers were the only variables (which they're not), Ashley forced Keegan out by backing his slimey mates. So it's his fault. Right?

 

Keegan wouldn't have lost against a dismal lot like these scumbags but even he wouldn't have been able to work miracles with the squad he was offered by Ashley and his chums to make any significant progress.

 

Agreed...And further Kinnear left Guti and Barton on the bench too long and should have had Zog on as well IMO. The general malaise is the fault of Ashey and Co. further exacerbated by the fact that JK isn't really the man we need (despite his best efforts).

[Wullie]

Wow ... some really surprising over reactions on here.

 

Aye, it's almost as if some of us are from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

What a stupid f***ing thing to say.

 

What? Now that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Blaming the system, the owners, Kinnear etc is bloody stupid and pointless.

 

They pretty much had their strongest team out and we didn't even come close. I think we would have beaten them easily otherwise. We played alright on the whole and they played well.

 

But hey let's play the blame game all over again! That's so much more fun!

 

I blame Owne for having muscle tissue made out of tissue paper!

 

I blame Freddy Shepherd and John Hall for selling the club to that evil non-Geordie Mike Ashley!

 

I blame Keegan for being a stroppy little man!

 

yada, yada, yada, yada bollox.

 

 

 

 

 

Two players (Owen, Viduka) from our best team. Sorry, but you can't blame injuries on this one.

 

Jonas got 15 mins because he only just returned, as did Barton. If they are fit enough to play the 90, we win this game easily imo.

 

Beye still isn't quite right either and Martins doesn't look very sharp.

 

 

 

How would we win it easily? When they'd both probably be bypassed anyway with the ball being aimed far beyond their reaches.

 

Did you watch the match?

 

Did you see what happened after they both came on?

 

You don't have the first clue what this means to people from this area so why bother offering comment?

 

f***s sake

 

What's your problem?

 

Kaka thinks I'm overreacting. I say that when he's actually seen the Tyne Bridge, he'll have the right to tell me I'm overreacting to a derby defeat. Until then, he should keep his f***ing nose out.

 

you're telling him he shouldnt even bother having an opinion because he's not local?

 

classic.

 

He's not allowed to tell me I'm overreacting, no. Fairly f***ing obvious iyam.

 

mackems.gif

 

Look mate - do you think Keegn would of lost that game?

 

With players he bought? No.

 

Not what i asked.

 

Squirm as much as you like mate - but you know your way off with this one. f***ing disgraceful result, i know but JK is responsible for this one. The quality of the squad is not to blame for this result.

 

Squirm? Of course Keegan would have won this game, like he did last year at a canter.

 

So your point about Wise and the quality of squad is f***ing invalid if Keegan would of got a better result witht he exact same squad. Not rocket science like.

 

Not really. The reason Ashley backed Wise instead of Keegan was because he thought the squad was so good that the manager didn't matter. Not rocket science like.

 

Is that a reason or a wild guess? And what exactly has that got to do with this match?? 

 

If the squads the same yet you think you;d get 2 different results with different managers then the only variable here is the manager and therefore the manager is repsonsible for the loss. Rocket science is probably too much for you so how about we move it to "join the dots".

 

Are you dim or something?

 

Ashley is to blame for the squad situation, the manager situation and our first defeat off this lot for 8 years, first away for 28 years. Does that clear things up?

 

mackems.gif

 

Oh my god. that is embarressing logic, so Ashley is responsible for every single result we have this season be it good or bad? Thats borderline idiotic i'm afraid.

 

You admit that another manager would of got a better result with the same squad but still go on to say the squad is the reason we're losing, scratch that, that is idiotic.

 

So, same car, different drivers different results yet the cars and the builders of the car are the reason for the loss. 

 

Credit to you for being this passionate though, feel free to let that get in the way of logic.

 

Honestly haven't got a clue what you're gibbering about now. The squad AND the manager both make a difference on the result of a football match.  This is not a difficult concept.

 

f*** me - this is impossible. do you even know how you started this debate, by blaming Wise and Asley for the quality of the squad and therefore this loss. Then you go on to say that Keegan would of got a result with the EXACT same squad. So how can you say the quality of the squad was the reason we lost this result.

 

I've even simplified it for you and you still dont get it.

 

Squad A + Keegan = Win (in your eyes)

Squad A + JK = Loss

 

The only variable here is the managers so that can be the only thing responsible for the differing results. That is scientific fact you bamp.

:lol:

 

I'm going to assume that the people who matter on this forum are able to understand how dim you look.

 

Even if the managers were the only variables (which they're not), Ashley forced Keegan out by backing his slimey mates. So it's his fault. Right?

 

Keegan wouldn't have lost against a dismal lot like these scumbags but even he wouldn't have been able to work miracles with the squad he was offered by Ashley and his chums to make any significant progress.

 

mackems.gif

 

"people who matter on this football forum"

 

I was gonna give up mate, but you're just way too much fun. 

 

So if we'd won this match would Ashley of been responsible for this win 'for getting rid of keegan'? Thats pretty much the see-saw logic you're applying there mate. Good one.

 

Cue a reply of "well we didnt win this", missing the point yet again.

 

i cant believe your are going to make Ashley responsible for every single 90 minute result we play from now on in be it win or loss.

 

 

 

Not every defeat. Defeat in a Tyne-Wear derby is never acceptable. Not now, not ever. Neither is being second bottom of the Premiership with a quarter of the season gone.

 

As long as you think Ashley's doing a good job though eh?

[Guest optimistic nit]

for christs sake this whole ashley vs keegan debate has been done, and you're sure as hell not going to get better conclusions now after our defeat to the mackems. we need to move on, its pathetic.

 

 

 

 

 

we were not terrible today. the defense backed off sunderland way too much, they had much more time on the ball than they should have. apart from that all 4 members of the defence were sound, the midfield was poor until jonas and barton came on, but they improved it 10 fold. Jonas is so much better than any of our other midfielders its not even funny. it was like him and barton playing alongside 4 retards in guthrie, duff, oba and shola for the last 20 minutes.

 

our strikers were very poor, although i had a feeling that keegan being at the club would improve martins a lot, it seemed too, but now he's gone oba may struggle. duff was very poor, as was geremi. butt and guthrie were very poor, although not as bad as the aforementioned 2.