Guest YANKEEBLEEDSMAGPIE Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I don't think Andy was considering leaving until his agent tells him this morning that NUFC look to be serious about weighing offers for him from Liverpool and Tottenham and that he may have to put in a transfer request in order to get the 2x-3x salary increase that he'd probably get. I firmly believe he was happy at our club and willing to stay, but when the club looked so eager to shop him around, I think he realized he had to do what was best for himself in an uncertain situation, and in order to guarantee his payday, was willing to submit the transfer request to make sure he got it. Its incredible that this scenario, which is you're opinion not fact, leaves Carroll completely blameless. Correct, it is my opinion. It's speculation on a situation that simply cannot be credibly taken at face value. For Andy, I believe that money talks and in the end, once he sees that he has a chance to win trophies at 3x the pay, he's going to do it. When he sees the club willing to sell him, it reiterates that the club aren't serious about winning or spending. Makes the decision to put in the transfer request much easier. For me, the blame is primarily on Ashley, less on Carroll. He has no intention on getting us to European football, which should be his goal. The business model he believes in of being a shoestring club that develops young/low-wage players and selling them off may be good for his bottom-line, but for any fans who are serious about competing for Europe and building a club that aims for winning shiny silver things that go in nice glass cabinets, you should be very much aware by now that Michael Ashley does not share your ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone get a grip man, £35 million and he's decided he wants to go. How's that ashley's fault you utter morons. It's times like this I hate being a Newcastle fan because 85% of our fans are idiots. It's £35 million! Imagine what we can do with that?! How does anyone know it won't be reinvested? When has Ashley ever 'kept' any transfer fees? I'd rather he wasn't going, but it's his choice, and I hope he's f***ing s****, breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Don't talk s**** man You really think all of that's going to go on the team? You only have to look at Ashley's track record to this point. isn't his track record that he's put money in to keep the club afloat and for transfers ? He also has a track record of selling our best players.. Milner, Given, N'Zogbia, Carroll... Who's next? Tiote? Enrique? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I don't think Andy was considering leaving until his agent tells him this morning that NUFC look to be serious about weighing offers for him from Liverpool and Tottenham and that he may have to put in a transfer request in order to get the 2x-3x salary increase that he'd probably get. I firmly believe he was happy at our club and willing to stay, but when the club looked so eager to shop him around, I think he realized he had to do what was best for himself in an uncertain situation, and in order to guarantee his payday, was willing to submit the transfer request to make sure he got it. Its incredible that this scenario, which is you're opinion not fact, leaves Carroll completely blameless. Correct, it is my opinion. It's speculation on a situation that simply cannot be credibly taken at face value. For Andy, I believe that money talks and in the end, once he sees that he has a chance to win trophies at 3x the pay, he's going to do it. When he sees the club willing to sell him, it reiterates that the club aren't serious about winning or spending. Makes the decision to put in the transfer request much easier. For me, the blame is primarily on Ashley, less on Carroll. He has no intention on getting us to European football, which should be his goal. The business model he believes in of being a shoestring club that develops young/low-wage players and selling them off may be good for his bottom-line, but for any fans who are serious about competing for Europe and building a club that aims for winning shiny silver things that go in nice glass cabinets, you should be aware very much by now that Michael Ashley does not share your ambition. Well put Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone get a grip man, £35 million and he's decided he wants to go. How's that ashley's fault you utter morons. It's times like this I hate being a Newcastle fan because 85% of our fans are idiots. It's £35 million! Imagine what we can do with that?! How does anyone know it won't be reinvested? When has Ashley ever 'kept' any transfer fees? I'd rather he wasn't going, but it's his choice, and I hope he's f***ing s****, breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Don't talk s**** man You really think all of that's going to go on the team? You only have to look at Ashley's track record to this point. isn't his track record that he's put money in to keep the club afloat and for transfers ? I'm talking about first team investment only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone get a grip man, £35 million and he's decided he wants to go. How's that ashley's fault you utter morons. It's times like this I hate being a Newcastle fan because 85% of our fans are idiots. It's £35 million! Imagine what we can do with that?! How does anyone know it won't be reinvested? When has Ashley ever 'kept' any transfer fees? I'd rather he wasn't going, but it's his choice, and I hope he's fucking shite, breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Just imagine, because it aint ever going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone get a grip man, £35 million and he's decided he wants to go. How's that ashley's fault you utter morons. It's times like this I hate being a Newcastle fan because 85% of our fans are idiots. It's £35 million! Imagine what we can do with that?! How does anyone know it won't be reinvested? When has Ashley ever 'kept' any transfer fees? I'd rather he wasn't going, but it's his choice, and I hope he's f***ing s****, breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Don't talk s**** man You really think all of that's going to go on the team? You only have to look at Ashley's track record to this point. isn't his track record that he's put money in to keep the club afloat and for transfers ? He also has a track record of selling our best players.. Milner, Given, N'Zogbia, Carroll... Who's next? Tiote? Enrique? All four wanted to leave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Let me ask you this: if he wanted to go, why hand in a transfer request today? Why not hand it in ten days ago when he could have had the best clubs in the world lining up to buy him? Did he get his head turned by the money today? As if, man. Everyone knew how much more money he would have made if he left. His agent probably had a duty to tell him this. Yet he still came out and said he wanted to stay yesterday. Why do that if you have any intention of leaving? He didnt want to leave. Lfc agree a few with Ashley, Ashley tells Carroll. Carroll wanted to stay yesterday but how do you think he reacted to finding out the bid was accepted? What, you think he cries his eyes out and begged to stay? Get fucked. He's a confident lad who is in supreme form and wanted by every big club in the world. He knows this. Do you think hes going to care that ashley thinks nufc will be better off with the 35m. He says fuck you, your loss and talks terms with Liverpool. Ashley knowing that he could kill the morale in the squad, insists that Carroll hand in a transfer request. Carroll knows hes getting his wages tripled so he's not bothered about the loyalty fee. At this point, he's as good as gone. Maybe he's concerned about burning his bridges in newcaslte, but a confident young sportsman doesn't fret about this shit. He thinks he's going to a better club, going to be paid more and will have a greater chance of getting glory. So he agrees, and the news comes out. 15 minutes later the terms have already been agreed and he's on his way to Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Stooping to mackem levels of wankerness there like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I don't think Andy was considering leaving until his agent tells him this morning that NUFC look to be serious about weighing offers for him from Liverpool and Tottenham and that he may have to put in a transfer request in order to get the 2x-3x salary increase that he'd probably get. I firmly believe he was happy at our club and willing to stay, but when the club looked so eager to shop him around, I think he realized he had to do what was best for himself in an uncertain situation, and in order to guarantee his payday, was willing to submit the transfer request to make sure he got it. Its incredible that this scenario, which is you're opinion not fact, leaves Carroll completely blameless. Correct, it is my opinion. It's speculation on a situation that simply cannot be credibly taken at face value. For Andy, I believe that money talks and in the end, once he sees that he has a chance to win trophies at 3x the pay, he's going to do it. When he sees the club willing to sell him, it reiterates that the club aren't serious about winning or spending. Makes the decision to put in the transfer request much easier. For me, the blame is primarily on Ashley, less on Carroll. He has no intention on getting us to European football, which should be his goal. The business model he believes in of being a shoestring club that develops young/low-wage players and selling them off may be good for his bottom-line, but for any fans who are serious about competing for Europe and building a club that aims for winning shiny silver things that go in nice glass cabinets, you should be aware very much by now that Michael Ashley does not share your ambition. How the fuck is Carroll blameless. He got a new fucking contract in November. Shearer could have joined Man Utd at various times when he was at NUFC to be the richest footballer on the planet and didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone get a grip man, £35 million and he's decided he wants to go. How's that ashley's fault you utter morons. It's times like this I hate being a Newcastle fan because 85% of our fans are idiots. It's £35 million! Imagine what we can do with that?! How does anyone know it won't be reinvested? When has Ashley ever 'kept' any transfer fees? I'd rather he wasn't going, but it's his choice, and I hope he's f***ing s****, breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Don't talk s**** man You really think all of that's going to go on the team? You only have to look at Ashley's track record to this point. isn't his track record that he's put money in to keep the club afloat and for transfers ? He also has a track record of selling our best players.. Milner, Given, N'Zogbia, Carroll... Who's next? Tiote? Enrique? All four wanted to leave Ssh. It doesn't fit the agenda. All were forced out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Still; I'll be getting my Carroll 9 shirt in the mail any day now. That's some investment right there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Tiote and Enrique will be agitating for moves sooner rather than later. Today sends out a hugely negative message to our current playing staff that the club has very little ambition in chasing success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I miss Shearer. I miss Bobby. I miss KK. I miss Harvey. Say what you like but these are the type of men i want associated with my football club. Those who love the club and do things for the right reasons. Andy Carroll- you were an idol an icon and you've p***ed it all away to go to a club with no emotional connections. C*** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Let me ask you this: if he wanted to go, why hand in a transfer request today? Maybe because like 90% of us he thought Ashley would take the first big offer we got for him so wouldn't have to, and when it got to 5pm and we were still rejecting offers he got twitchy and asked to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Still; I'll be getting my Carroll 9 shirt in the mail any day now. That's some investment right there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Let me ask you this: if he wanted to go, why hand in a transfer request today? Why not hand it in ten days ago when he could have had the best clubs in the world lining up to buy him? Did he get his head turned by the money today? As if, man. Everyone knew how much more money he would have made if he left. His agent probably had a duty to tell him this. Yet he still came out and said he wanted to stay yesterday. Why do that if you have any intention of leaving? He didnt want to leave. Lfc agree a few with Ashley, Ashley tells Carroll. Carroll wanted to stay yesterday but how do you think he reacted to finding out the bid was accepted? What, you think he cries his eyes out and begged to stay? Get fucked. He's a confident lad who is in supreme form and wanted by every big club in the world. He knows this. Do you think hes going to care that ashley thinks nufc will be better off with the 35m. He says fuck you, your loss and talks terms with Liverpool. Ashley knowing that he could kill the morale in the squad, insists that Carroll hand in a transfer request. Carroll knows hes getting his wages tripled so he's not bothered about the loyalty fee. At this point, he's as good as gone. Maybe he's concerned about burning his bridges in newcaslte, but a confident young sportsman doesn't fret about this shit. He thinks he's going to a better club, going to be paid more and will have a greater chance of getting glory. So he agrees, and the news comes out. 15 minutes later the terms have already been agreed and he's on his way to Liverpool. Bollocks, that is you speculating on extreme terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Regardless, I still can't believe he left after we (and the squad) stood by him through the rough year that was 2010. Nolan must be pretty pissed off. Do you seriously think that Nolan hasn't been sounded out about this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Tiote and Enrique will be agitating for moves sooner rather than later. Today sends out a hugely negative message to our current playing staff that the club has very little ambition in chasing success. By accepting transfer requests? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I don't think Andy was considering leaving until his agent tells him this morning that NUFC look to be serious about weighing offers for him from Liverpool and Tottenham and that he may have to put in a transfer request in order to get the 2x-3x salary increase that he'd probably get. I firmly believe he was happy at our club and willing to stay, but when the club looked so eager to shop him around, I think he realized he had to do what was best for himself in an uncertain situation, and in order to guarantee his payday, was willing to submit the transfer request to make sure he got it. still doesn't explain why he put in the request......except as you say his head got turned by the 2 or 3 times the pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone get a grip man, £35 million and he's decided he wants to go. How's that ashley's fault you utter morons. It's times like this I hate being a Newcastle fan because 85% of our fans are idiots. It's £35 million! Imagine what we can do with that?! How does anyone know it won't be reinvested? When has Ashley ever 'kept' any transfer fees? I'd rather he wasn't going, but it's his choice, and I hope he's f***ing s****, breaks his legs, goes to prison, and gets aids Don't talk s**** man You really think all of that's going to go on the team? You only have to look at Ashley's track record to this point. isn't his track record that he's put money in to keep the club afloat and for transfers ? He also has a track record of selling our best players.. Milner, Given, N'Zogbia, Carroll... Who's next? Tiote? Enrique? All four wanted to leave Doesn't mean you have to sell. Given wanted to leave 10 years ago, he didn't and was bloody brilliant for another 8 years or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 How many players have to contradict themselves before people stop being shocked? It's a career and a business. No, football is more than a career and business. Not to the majority of those involved in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Tiote and Enrique will be agitating for moves sooner rather than later. Today sends out a hugely negative message to our current playing staff that the club has very little ambition in chasing success. Exactly. The circumstances don't even matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Some people have been desperate for us to say Carroll purely so they can use it as an example of us selling our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Have the now dubious pleasure of being in the Boardroom and Directors Box on Wednesday night. Questions for MA on a postcard please... "Did you shoot JFK?" "What pet/wife do you have?" If his answer is a fluffy white cat we know he's an evil genius, if he says he's married to a pig we know know he's a slack jawed yokel and one of the world's greatest questions will have been answered beyond all doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 It's not Carroll leaving. It's now having a team with a 450 lb. pile of dogshit as a strikeforce. We are close to climbing away from the relegation scrap. Why take a massive gamble, especially when his massive gamble went tits up during the relegation season? Because this is what that fat tit does. Newcastle is his personal casino, not for making money but for the thrill of rolling of the dice. If I bet this prick 100,000 pounds that he didn't have the will to not make a bet today, he would gladly take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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