Guest Tall Striker Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Doubt he'd want to join these jokers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Suarez is better than Carroll, ergo Carroll's price should be lower than £23m. The only reason we'll get close to £40m for him is because he's English. Torres will be going for that amount, man! It's an insane price for someone like Carroll. says who? If you think Carroll is better than Suarez, you're daft. Suarez is a big gamble considering the amount of strikers with much better goal records who've come out of Holland and flopped. I'm not saying he's better than Carroll, but honestly he has proven that he's a good striker for the national team too during the world cup. Afonso Alves, Mateja Kezman, and those guys never proved it for their national teams in a big tournament. He hardly set the place on fire, man. He got 3 goals. 3 goals in a World Cup in a team with two other strikers getting a few share of the goals is pretty good. I'm not saying he set the place on fire, I just said he's more proven on the international stage than Kezman and Afonso Alves, and even Dirk Kuyt were. He scored 16 in 38 for Uruguay which isn't very bad. He's also a way better goalkeeper than Carroll. On that logic we should sign David Healy. The "international stage" is far weaker than the domestic one. On that logic we should look to promote you as Chief Scout at the club. I mean Northern Ireland finished 4th in the World Cup and Healy was one of the major reasons why they reached there. Healy also scored 81 in 108 for his club which played in the Champions League. No...just no... Sorry like but there's a very long list of players who have been bought off the back of three or four games at a major tournament and absolutely bombed. Suarez might be fantastic but judging him because he scored two goals against South Korea (their back four made up mainly of players from the Saudi league) is very ill advised. He's got one goal in this year's Champions League and they got knocked out, so I wouldn't go bandying that around as evidence of his ability to do it in England. Of course, I'm not disagreeing with you, but there's also a very big chance of him succeeding it all depends to how he adapts, what I'm saying is that there's no doubt he has talent. He's proven it for Ajax and he's proven it in arguably the biggest tournament of the world (at least for me it is). However, nothing says he's a sure thing in the Premier League, or Bundesliga or Seria A or even the Irish league. I'm just saying that he's a good player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Fair enough. Personally I hope he has a shitter, just because I don't like Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 If Fernado Torres is worth £50m then they want slapped in the face with a cock for even bothering to make contact if they want him for £23m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Are people seriously arguing that Carroll is better than Suarez on the basis of his half good season this year? Fair enough if people want to question whether Suarez can adapt to the premiership (though his physical size tells me that he will), but it's not like Carroll has proven that he is good in the Premiership season after season. Get a grip of yourself, stop being delusional, those who think Carroll is better than the likes of Suarez is as bad as Mackems who were worshiping Bent before he left. Utter embarrassment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Wish 'Arry Face ache would hurry up and die. Wanker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Carroll's proved that he's pretty fucking dynamite in the PL. Suarez hasn't, obviously. He's looked good in a poor league and against poor players in the WC. Obviously, Carroll is by far the safer bet for PL clubs. If there's one thing that's been rammed down our throats in the last few years, it's that players who look special in other leagues aren't guarenteed to make any impact in the PL. Away from NUFC, I can think of the likes of Morientes, Crespo and Kezman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The reason I rate Suarez is because he has the physical attributes to succeed. He's not just the type of striker who's in the right place at the right time, like Inzaghi who wouldn't have been as successful in the Premiership. He's got strength, pace, two good feet and he can head the ball. He's not Kuyt who's too slow for the Premiership. He's not Kezman who wasn't pacy nor strong, and he's not Alves who only had one good season. Suarez has scored most of his goals in a weak league, sure, but he's also scored in Europe and he's also scored for Uruguay. The physical attributes is the most impressive thing about him, and it's why I'd take him over Carroll this instant. Morientes was past it when he joined Liverpool and Kezman wasn't up to it physically. I don't think Crespo was a failure in English football (better than 2 in 1 in the league) and Mourinho never gave him a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The reason I rate Suarez is because he has the physical attributes to succeed. He's not just the type of striker who's in the right place at the right time, like Inzaghi who wouldn't have been as successful in the Premiership. He's got strength, pace, two good feet and he can head the ball. He's not Kuyt who's too slow for the Premiership. He's not Kezman who wasn't pacy nor strong, and he's not Alves who only had one good season. Suarez has scored most of his goals in a weak league, sure, but he's also scored in Europe and he's also scored for Uruguay. The physical attributes is the most impressive thing about him, and it's why I'd take him over Carroll this instant. Morientes was past it when he joined Liverpool and Kezman wasn't up to it physically. I don't think Crespo was a failure in English football (better than 2 in 1 in the league) and Mourinho never gave him a chance. He is more physically impressive than Carroll? Andy Carroll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Carroll's proved that he's pretty fucking dynamite in the PL. Suarez hasn't, obviously. He's looked good in a poor league and against poor players in the WC. Obviously, Carroll is by far the safer bet for PL clubs. If there's one thing that's been rammed down our throats in the last few years, it's that players who look special in other leagues aren't guarenteed to make any impact in the PL. Away from NUFC, I can think of the likes of Morientes, Crespo and Kezman. why does it always have to be extremes? carroll has had half a good season in the PL, which is half a season more than Suarez that's the long and short of it - you can debate potential all day long but carroll is 'ahead' in the PL stakes and that's all there is too it, not FAR ahead mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The reason I rate Suarez is because he has the physical attributes to succeed. He's not just the type of striker who's in the right place at the right time, like Inzaghi who wouldn't have been as successful in the Premiership. He's got strength, pace, two good feet and he can head the ball. He's not Kuyt who's too slow for the Premiership. He's not Kezman who wasn't pacy nor strong, and he's not Alves who only had one good season. Suarez has scored most of his goals in a weak league, sure, but he's also scored in Europe and he's also scored for Uruguay. The physical attributes is the most impressive thing about him, and it's why I'd take him over Carroll this instant. Morientes was past it when he joined Liverpool and Kezman wasn't up to it physically. I don't think Crespo was a failure in English football (better than 2 in 1 in the league) and Mourinho never gave him a chance. He is more physically impressive than Carroll? Andy Carroll? he didn't say he was ffs this debate is shit, why are they even being compared? fwiw i also think suarez will succeed but it's far from guaranteed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The reason I rate Suarez is because he has the physical attributes to succeed. He's not just the type of striker who's in the right place at the right time, like Inzaghi who wouldn't have been as successful in the Premiership. He's got strength, pace, two good feet and he can head the ball. He's not Kuyt who's too slow for the Premiership. He's not Kezman who wasn't pacy nor strong, and he's not Alves who only had one good season. Suarez has scored most of his goals in a weak league, sure, but he's also scored in Europe and he's also scored for Uruguay. The physical attributes is the most impressive thing about him, and it's why I'd take him over Carroll this instant. Morientes was past it when he joined Liverpool and Kezman wasn't up to it physically. I don't think Crespo was a failure in English football (better than 2 in 1 in the league) and Mourinho never gave him a chance. He is more physically impressive than Carroll? Andy Carroll? That's not what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Would we be able to attract Suarez, in this hypothetical scenario? It was pretty easy with Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The physical attributes is the most impressive thing about him, and it's why I'd take him over Carroll this instant. Sorry read that too literally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Do people go to the match? Carroll has been, literally, scaring the shit out of defenders all season long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The physical attributes is the most impressive thing about him, and it's why I'd take him over Carroll this instant. Sorry read that too literally. i actually missed this though, WTF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Suarez's physical attributes, combined with his pedigree, technical ability and obvious goalscoring instinct, makes him a better player than Carroll, in my opinion. Edit: It's his combination of strength, pace and technical ability - physical attributes - that impresses me the most. That's what I should have said. Apologies. Second edit: I would love more than nothing to be wrong and for Suarez to end up like Kuyt, but it's far more likely he ends up impacting English football in the way than van Nistelrooy did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Do people go to the match? Carroll has been, literally, scaring the shit out of defenders all season long. suarez has been biting them and getting 7 game bans, 1-0 suarez tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Suarez's physical attributes, combined with his pedigree, technical ability and obvious goalscoring instinct, makes him a better player than Carroll, in my opinion. better for NUFC at this current time with our current squad? can't agree with that like but each to their own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Do people go to the match? Carroll has been, literally, scaring the s*** out of defenders all season long. suarez has been biting them and getting 7 game bans, 1-0 suarez tbh ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Are people seriously arguing that Carroll is better than Suarez on the basis of his half good season this year? Fair enough if people want to question whether Suarez can adapt to the premiership (though his physical size tells me that he will), but it's not like Carroll has proven that he is good in the Premiership season after season. Get a grip of yourself, stop being delusional, those who think Carroll is better than the likes of Suarez is as bad as Mackems who were worshiping Bent before he left. Utter embarrassment People are arguing that he's worth more then Suarez, and I'd agree simply because he's a very rare kind of striker. Arguing that one player is better then another completely different player, especially when they're playing in two very different leagues is pretty stupid IMO. Though obviously Carroll is the safer bet in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Suarez's physical attributes, combined with his pedigree, technical ability and obvious goalscoring instinct, makes him a better player than Carroll, in my opinion. I think Carroll is quick, has a great instinct for scoring (does miss some he should score but then he is young and most do), can drift wide, put in excellent crossses, can shoot from distance, bullies the fuck out of defenders and is absolutely unstoppable in the air when he wants to be. He might not have the history behind him as he only really stepped onto the scene a year ago but his potential is outstanding and I can see why people think he is worth the punt more than someone who has done exceptionally well in a far inferior league (defensively) and done good at international level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Suarez's physical attributes, combined with his pedigree, technical ability and obvious goalscoring instinct, makes him a better player than Carroll, in my opinion. better for NUFC at this current time with our current squad? can't agree with that like but each to their own I never said that. I just think Suarez is a better player, overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Has anyone stopped to ask what the fucking point of this discussion is? Carroll has had a good six months but it may turn out to be the best six months of his career in terms of goals to games. Similarly Suarez could struggle to adapt to the Premier League as many others have before him. Does who is better matter? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Suarez's physical attributes, combined with his pedigree, technical ability and obvious goalscoring instinct, makes him a better player than Carroll, in my opinion. I think Carroll is quick, has a great instinct for scoring (does miss some he should score but then he is young and most do), can drift wide, put in excellent crossses, can shoot from distance, bullies the fuck out of defenders and is absolutely unstoppable in the air when he wants to be. He might not have the history behind him as he only really stepped onto the scene a year ago but his potential is outstanding and I can see why people think he is worth the punt more than someone who has done exceptionally well in a far inferior league (defensively) and done good at international level. I don't disagree with that. If he can improve his control then he'd be the best striker in the league. Carroll's excellent for us now. He's probably the best striker in the world for our squad because we exploit his strengths so well, but if we're to step up, Carroll has to improve his game on the ground because to be a good team, we have to be able to dominate possession. As it is, Suarez has more to his game, in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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