Dyeyzzon Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 That's the question, isn't it? You could see any tit agreeing to 25% of any profit, knowing that any profit would be a very unexpected bonus, but agreeing to 25% of any transfer fee, knowing you're paying well over the odds to begin with? That would take abnormal stupidity or desperation … Andy Carroll Stewart Downing Jordan Henderson That fat bloke from blackpool....... How much money was spent on these 4? This article pretty much sums all their signings up http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/comollis-liverpool-signings-adam-suarez-100126970.html Luis Suarez (January 31, 2011): £22.8 million, 46 appearances (all competitions), 17 goals In his first 16 months in England the Uruguayan striker has been embroiled in more controversy than many players are in their entire career. Despite that, Suarez is one of the most threatening attacking players in the Premier League, giving even the best defenders nightmares. Andy Carroll (January 31, 2011): £35m, 50 appearances, nine goals The cost of signing the striker from Newcastle – who was injured at the time - was largely offset by the £50m fee received on the same day for Fernando Torres's move to Chelsea, but he still has a long way to go before he is regarded as anything other than one of the biggest wastes of money ever in the English game. Jordan Henderson (June 10, 2011): £16m, 41 appearances, one goal Perhaps the most surprising of all of Comolli's signings, given he was just 20 at the time and the fee involved. Henderson has not come close to justifying Liverpool's considerable investment in him thus far. Just one goal and one assist in the league so far despite seeing a surprising amount of minutes on the pitch. Charlie Adam (July 8, 2011): £9m, 35 appearances, two goals As Blackpool's captain last season, Adam was the midfield maestro who took every set piece, scored and set up goals with regularity. At Liverpool, he has come to a club where that role is well and truly Steven Gerrard's, and has struggled to adapt accordingly. Just six league assists for the Scotsman this season. Stewart Downing (July 15, 2011): £20m, 39 appearances, two goals No other player has taken more shots on goal in the Premier League this season without scoring than Downing's 62. That statistic would perhaps be forgiven if he had been laying them on for his new team-mates, but he has not registered an assist in the league for Liverpool yet either. Alexander Doni (July 15, 2011): Free, two appearances The Brazilian goalkeeper was famously between the sticks when Manchester United put seven past Roma in the Champions League five years ago. Conceded within 10 minutes of his debut against Aston Villa, while in his second match against Blackburn on Tuesday he was sent off. Jose Enrique (August 12, 2011): £5m, 39 appearances Arguably the shrewdest signing by Liverpool under Comolli's stewardship, the Spanish left-back has proved good value at left-back for his surprisingly low fee. Certainly an upgrade on Paul Konchesky. Sebastian Coates (August 30, 2011): £7m, 10 appearances, one goal The young Uruguayan scored one of the goals of the season with his acrobatic overhead kick in the recent defeat at QPR, but few would disagree that he is still very much a work in progress. Craig Bellamy (August 31, 2011): Free, 32 appearances, nine goals By far the best value signing of this crop. Liverpool took full advantage of Manchester City's decision to cast off the Welshman by sealing his return to Anfield on a free. The Welshman has already matched the total of nine goals scored in his previous season at the club five years ago, and in more than a dozen fewer games too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 That's the question, isn't it? You could see any tit agreeing to 25% of any profit, knowing that any profit would be a very unexpected bonus, but agreeing to 25% of any transfer fee, knowing you're paying well over the odds to begin with? That would take abnormal stupidity or desperation … Andy Carroll Stewart Downing Jordan Henderson That fat bloke from blackpool....... How much money was spent on these 4? WAAAAY too much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Dunno if it's been mentioned but quotes from Pardew in today's Chronicle saying he intends to pair Ba with Cisse next season up top. In other words we'll go 4-4-2 90% of the time. It would be easier to accommodate Carroll into that system than a 4-3-3, for the simple reasons that Cisse is undroppable and it's easier to rotate 3 players into 2 positions. Carroll can't play out wide. If we're switching to 4-4-2 anyway (as opposed to the 4-3-3 we used on our winning run) then Carroll's signing would make a bit more sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think we need a new figure on the poll This ones pretty conclusive £15m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 80 million British pounds on that quartet, fucking hell. Imagine what someone with a fucking brain could have transformed Liverpool into with that money. If they had Graham Carr they'd be winning the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 80 million British pounds on that quartet, f***ing hell. Imagine what someone with a f***ing brain could have transformed Liverpool into with that money. If they had Graham Carr they'd be winning the league. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/06/24/2545774/valencia-winger-juan-mata-interested-to-hear-from-liverpool Three weeks later, Liverpool sign Stewart Downing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisdom Body Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not all doom and gloom that 'pool list, Suárez, Enrique and Bellamy were good value-for-money acquisitions. In fact in these days of crazy money paying only £23m for Suárez was a bit of a coup. The eye-watering sums paid for Carroll, Henderson and Downing more than negate all the good stuff though. By now everyone knows that Liverpool just want rid of Carroll so there's no way they're getting that £20m they want. Give them £12m towards the end of August and they'll deliver him to your doorstep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Dunno if it's been mentioned but quotes from Pardew in today's Chronicle saying he intends to pair Ba with Cisse next season up top. In other words we'll go 4-4-2 90% of the time. It would be easier to accommodate Carroll into that system than a 4-3-3, for the simple reasons that Cisse is undroppable and it's easier to rotate 3 players into 2 positions. Carroll can't play out wide. If we're switching to 4-4-2 anyway (as opposed to the 4-3-3 we used on our winning run) then Carroll's signing would make a bit more sense. Aye, think people are just disappointed as they'd rather see us use the 4-3-3 primarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Are you sure that's what pardew said ? I only skimmed the article in smiths and thought it was that ba would play as a central striker in 90% of the games he'd play. That can mean many things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Are you sure that's what pardew said ? I only skimmed the article in smiths and thought it was that ba would play as a central striker in 90% of the games he'd play. That can mean many things. Such as? Leave him on the bench a lot? Play Cisse out wide? The second option would be daft, and the first would make no sense given that the whole point is that we're trying to keep Ba happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 other options such as rotating them if we don't want to play 2 up front (which i don't thionk we will for a good few away games). moot now anyway after reading the article properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Football Rumours @FakeRumours Newcastle reject Liverpool's £9 million + Andy Carroll bid for Demba Ba. Newcastle reported that they only want the £9 million. #LFC #NUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Glad to see this is dying a death now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Smokescreen for us to sign Remy.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newcastle confident they can sign Andy Carroll without having to pay Liverpool's £20m transfer fee Newcastle United have no intention of meeting Liverpool’s £20m asking price for Andy Carroll, but still believe they have a good chance of signing the striker. By Luke Edwards10:25AM BST 24 Jul 20124 Comments Liverpool are instinctively reluctant to allow Carroll to re-join the club they paid an extravagant £35m to less than two years ago, but the player has made it clear he favours a return to the North-East should he leave this summer. West Ham are also interested and will hope the fact Carroll shares an agent, Mark Curtis, with the Hammers manager, Sam Allardyce, and captain, Kevin Nolan, will assist their own effort to sign the most expensive British player in history. Newcastle, though, feel their offer of a season’s loan with the clause of a £13m permanent deal at the end of it is as good as Liverpool are likely to get for a player who wants to come back to them. Key to Newcastle’s stance is the fact Liverpool’s new manager Brendan Rodgers has publicly indicated he wants to move Carroll on, which has greatly weakened his club’s hand in negotiations. There has been no progress in talks since Newcastle made their first tentative loan offer last weekend. That initial declaration of interest was designed to unsettle Carroll, who has always been receptive to a return to his hometown club. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9422593/Newcastle-confident-they-can-sign-Andy-Carroll-without-having-to-pay-Liverpools-20m-transfer-fee.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newcastle confident, but no progress in talks. Hmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Just guesswork, like most of the rags at the moment. None of them seem to have a clue what we are doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9423245/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-has-final-decision-on-Andy-Carroll-future-insists-chairman-Tom-Werner.html The 23-year-old England international has been the subject of intense speculation ever since the new Liverpool boss hinted earlier this summer that he might not have a future at Anfield. Carroll's situation remained unclear as he headed for North America to join up with his team-mates in Boston after an extended break following the European Championship, but Werner is adamant that any decision will be down to Rodgers. He said: "The only thing I can say is we will do what's best for the club. "At the moment, Andy is on the squad. He was an important member of the English team, he has got a lot of talent and we will see what happens there. "Brendan is clearly the leader here, and hopefully the question will be answered shortly. "But at the moment, Andy is on the team and we are looking forward to his contributions." Carroll's former club Newcastle have tested the water with a speculative bid to take the player back on loan with a view to completing a permanent transfer next year, prompting Rodgers to rule out a temporary switch to any club with West Ham and Fulham also monitoring the situation. However, while Newcastle's interest is ongoing, it remains to be seen whether or not they are prepared to meet Liverpool's asking price, understood to amount to £20 million. Carroll was signed by former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish, whose departure at the end of last season opened the door for Rodgers to secure one of the biggest jobs in English football. Werner is delighted with the appointment, and is backing the former Swansea manager to make a significant impact. He said: "I don't think anyone could have been happy with our performance on the pitch last year, no disrespect to Kenny. "I think he is an iconic figure for Liverpool and he will always be appreciated for the stability that he brought to the club. "Brendan brings a very thoughtful, modern, attacking philosophy – I think our fans will be very delighted with the attacking philosophy that he brings to Liverpool – and hopefully we will see improvement." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 "At the moment, Andy is on the squad. "But at the moment, Andy is on the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9423245/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-has-final-decision-on-Andy-Carroll-future-insists-chairman-Tom-Werner.html The 23-year-old England international has been the subject of intense speculation ever since the new Liverpool boss hinted earlier this summer that he might not have a future at Anfield. Carroll's situation remained unclear as he headed for North America to join up with his team-mates in Boston after an extended break following the European Championship, but Werner is adamant that any decision will be down to Rodgers. He said: "The only thing I can say is we will do what's best for the club. "At the moment, Andy is on the squad. He was an important member of the English team, he has got a lot of talent and we will see what happens there. "Brendan is clearly the leader here, and hopefully the question will be answered shortly. "But at the moment, Andy is on the team and we are looking forward to his contributions." Carroll's former club Newcastle have tested the water with a speculative bid to take the player back on loan with a view to completing a permanent transfer next year, prompting Rodgers to rule out a temporary switch to any club with West Ham and Fulham also monitoring the situation. However, while Newcastle's interest is ongoing, it remains to be seen whether or not they are prepared to meet Liverpool's asking price, understood to amount to £20 million. Carroll was signed by former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish, whose departure at the end of last season opened the door for Rodgers to secure one of the biggest jobs in English football. Werner is delighted with the appointment, and is backing the former Swansea manager to make a significant impact. He said: "I don't think anyone could have been happy with our performance on the pitch last year, no disrespect to Kenny. "I think he is an iconic figure for Liverpool and he will always be appreciated for the stability that he brought to the club. "Brendan brings a very thoughtful, modern, attacking philosophy – I think our fans will be very delighted with the attacking philosophy that he brings to Liverpool – and hopefully we will see improvement." http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/730195/82620758.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 "Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long-term."I'm not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan." Seems to have changed his tune... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 "Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long-term."I'm not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan." Seems to have changed his tune... That's an old quote, isn't it or did he go back to the future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 From today's Chronicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 From today's Chronicle. Still the same quotes from 2weeks ago I believe.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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