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West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll


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Guest bimpy474

If Wham and Carroll's agent are denying this story is it not time to change the thread title ?

 

Just saying.

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Guest BooBoo

If Wham and Carroll's agent are denying this story is it not time to change the thread title ?

 

Just saying.

 

Said the same thing a good few posts back. This place is slipping.

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Guest Brazilianbob

There is no way west ham can afford £19m for Carroll.  Those wide boys in charge will just pay the £2m loan deal then send him back at the end of the season.  They are gambling £2m in the hope he will score the goals that keep them in the EPL.

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Guest bimpy474

If Wham and Carroll's agent are denying this story is it not time to change the thread title ?

 

Just saying.

 

Said the same thing a good few posts back. This place is slipping.

 

Sorry mate i didn't spot your post ;)

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Come on, man. He's in a different league to the likes of Kevin Davies.

 

How?

 

Because he's developed into far more of a goal threat and is more mobile. Where Carroll has this natural ability to bully defenders in the air, Davies has to rely on experience and lenient refereeing.

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Come on, man. He's in a different league to the likes of Kevin Davies.

 

How?

 

Because he's developed into far more of a goal threat and is more mobile. Where Carroll has this natural ability to bully defenders in the air, Davies has to rely on experience and lenient refereeing.

 

And Davies was not even close to being as good as Carroll at the same age.

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Come on, man. He's in a different league to the likes of Kevin Davies.

 

How?

 

Well one is in the Premiership and the other is in the Championship.

 

Har har...

 

I'd rank Carroll alongside the likes of Fletcher, Doyle et al. Decent mid-level Premier League forwards on their day but extremely limited to ever become better than the sum of their parts which is basically physicality and work-rate which says a lot about the players we tend to produce and the way the Premier League is at that end of the spectrum.

 

Take the likes of Defoe and Bent, regarded as meh type of strikers yet each possess far more in their locker than Carroll does and ever will, namely pace, finishing ability and technical ability, even though it is limited with those two.

 

He had a hot patch here and once or twice looked unplayable, but only from a physical and aerial perspective. On average though he was average and was hit and miss in front of goal. Remember Nolan scored as many PL goals as him and Lovenkrands got just as many in the Championship.

 

I think with Carroll, people want to believe he is this and that or can be this and that down to some misguided affinity to that kind of forward and because he's young, Geordie etc. when really people should be looking at things objectively and without bias or romaticism.

 

Don't get me wrong when he was here I loved the fact he was banging them in in that number 9 and that he was a Geordie but when I looked at his performances and his attributes as an all-rounder I found an extremely limited footballer enjoying a good spell for his hometown team, inspired by the number on his back, the universal support of the fans, manager and players et al and the lack of real pressure due to his age and our position.

 

The real Andy Carroll can be found wearing a red shirt performing like he has done pretty much since he joined them.

 

I know Liverpool fans who reckon Mellor looked a better player in their colours....

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Guest bimpy474

Come on, man. He's in a different league to the likes of Kevin Davies.

 

How?

 

Well one is in the Premiership and the other is in the Championship.

 

Har har...

 

I'd rank Carroll alongside the likes of Fletcher, Doyle et al. Decent mid-level Premier League forwards on their day but extremely limited to ever become better than the sum of their parts which is basically physicality and work-rate which says a lot about the players we tend to produce and the way the Premier League is at that end of the spectrum.

 

Take the likes of Defoe and Bent, regarded as meh type of strikers yet each possess far more in their locker than Carroll does and ever will, namely pace, finishing ability and technical ability, even though it is limited with those two.

 

He had a hot patch here and once or twice looked unplayable, but only from a physical and aerial perspective. On average though he was average and was hit and miss in front of goal. Remember Nolan scored as many PL goals as him and Lovenkrands got just as many in the Championship.

 

I think with Carroll, people want to believe he is this and that or can be this and that down to some misguided affinity to that kind of forward and because he's young, Geordie etc. when really people should be looking at things objectively and without bias or romaticism.

 

Don't get me wrong when he was here I loved the fact he was banging them in in that number 9 and that he was a Geordie but when I looked at his performances and his attributes as an all-rounder I found an extremely limited footballer enjoying a good spell for his hometown team, inspired by the number on his back, the universal support of the fans, manager and players et al and the lack of real pressure due to his age and our position.

 

The real Andy Carroll can be found wearing a red shirt performing like he has done pretty much since he joined them.

 

I know Liverpool fans who reckon Mellor looked a better player in their colours....

 

I also know Liverpool fans who felt he was good in the last few months. They also felt at no stage did KKK play football that helped him, not long ball but crosses.

 

Its horseshit to say he is poor or not good enough. For me its whether we want him back as we have two great strikers now, but i want 3 great strikers and i would take him, just not at the price Liverpool want.

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Guest Brazilianbob

If he does end up at Newcastle on a loan deal with a view to paying £18m for him at the end of the season,  is it that bad a deal? because we seemed to be willing to pay £9m to £12m for De Jong, so if we bring Carroll inon loan and set aside the £12m that we would have spent on De Jong, then £6m next season added to the £12m we will have saved this season makes it seem like a reasonable deal to me.  If Ashley manages to get him for £15m then the deal looks even sweeter.

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Guest BooBoo

Still don't think we're after Carroll.

 

Yes, despite all the evidence suggesting we are indeed after Carroll.

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Anything more than 10m for Carroll is a bad deal, it only looks good because how stupid Liverpool would have looked but if you ignore that anything more than that and it's an awful deal for so many reasons.

 

Luckily i'm confident we wouldn't be that stupid.

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Guest bimpy474

Thread title  :snod:

 

Why. The. Fuck. Does. It. Matter?!

 

Man.

 

Why. The. Fuck. Do. You. Care ?!

 

Badger.

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Thread title  :snod:

 

Why. The. Fuck. Does. It. Matter?!

 

Man.

 

In fairness, the more tedious threads (this, Debuchy, Ben Arfa before we signed him, etc) are barely worth reading at times, the thread title is sometimes all I can be arsed to look at.

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Guest Howaythetoon

Come on, man. He's in a different league to the likes of Kevin Davies.

 

How?

 

Because he's developed into far more of a goal threat and is more mobile. Where Carroll has this natural ability to bully defenders in the air, Davies has to rely on experience and lenient refereeing.

 

And Davies was not even close to being as good as Carroll at the same age.

 

Davies at an even younger age was in many ways similar to Carroll, regarded as a hot prospect and future England number 9 who was sold to Blackburn for a then record fee for them only to do a Carroll and struggle. Since then he has developed into a mature decent all-round target man type forward who actually has shown to contain a decent footballing brain with some level of creativity, hence his ability to play deeper and almost as a Teddy Sheringham type forward for Bolton over the past few years.

 

Davies has always been underrated, when he was at Chesterfield he had the lot as he started to show at Southampton but the big move especially at that price didn't work out for him, plus he had a few injuries. I've always though under a manager like say Sir Bobby he would have excelled and showed himself to be a far better player than he will go down as.

 

Ronaldo, even at what 35 or something Davies is more mobile than Carroll :lol:

 

And if that is your argument as to why he is in a different league, then the parameters have gotten shorter and shorter. That's like saying Messi is in a different league to C. Ronaldo because he scores more goals.... slightly!

 

As for Carroll's so-called greatness in the air... I don't buy it. He can head the ball don't get me wrong... when a good cross comes in and he can attack it but ask him to deftly flick the ball to space or feet using his head and it goes all over the place. He does have great heading technique to be honest, its his timing and the way he jumps that screws him over mostly.

 

Davies does get away with a lot RE the refs mind I will give you that, Shearer-esque in the way he uses those elbows, body and complaints to the ref.

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Thread titles are all important in transfer threads. That's all I'm bothered about when it co ex to updating them.

 

The wacky thread titles are irritating, but I get that the kids find 'em cool.

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