madras Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you still think Ashley has improved the club then mackems.gif Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think he has the idea from somewhere that by giving us (the fans) information, it will make us like him. To be fair to him, he had to say something today, silence would have told it's own story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7808513.stm If I were Shay Given, I'd sack my solicitor. Nice to see JK taking a leaf out of Keegans book and protecting his employers 24 hours before a major cup game. Not that we believe everything we see on TV or in the press, unless you are the type to believe what you want to believe. oh the irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think he has the idea from somewhere that by giving us (the fans) information, it will make us like him. To be fair to him, he had to say something today, silence would have told it's own story. I guess. I'm not really sure what to make about this whole business regarding Shay. That personal website of his said he was happy, and his brother helps run that. His solicitor may have been drunk? It's simply a wait and see, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I guess. I'm not really sure what to make about this whole business regarding Shay. That personal website of his said he was happy, and his brother helps run that. His solicitor may have been drunk? It's simply a wait and see, really. If the solicitor has done this off his own back then he's potentially in deep shit as Given will be covered by client confidentiality and the date protection act. Kinnear claimed that the solicitor was quoting the press, and even that will be dodgy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 of course. Solicitors always make statements about their clients for no reason in particular without being consulted. We might not find out if Given sacks him by the way, but in the unlikely event of this being untrue, I would sack him. People like you also said the same about Keegan not leaving by the way, despite it being obvious for months that he was unhappy. Kinnear seems to be out of control when he gets going, I'm not sure that he could go on a rant without dropping himself in the shit, we'll see. so you're conceding now that the solicitor has actually made a statement for his client ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you're conceding now that the solicitor has actually made a statement for his client ? We know the solicitor has said something, we don't know what he's said. Kinnear claimed that the solicitor was quoting the press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you still think Ashley has improved the club then mackems.gif Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. no. Good managers leave shit clubs for ambitious ones. You still appear to have a problem with us not appointing one of the 2 or 3 winning managers because everybody else does it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I would accept a global ban on the and mackems.gif emoticons just to force NE5 into some variety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you're conceding now that the solicitor has actually made a statement for his client ? We know the solicitor has said something, we don't know what he's said . Kinnear claimed that the solicitor was quoting the press. what are you on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you still think Ashley has improved the club then mackems.gif Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. no. Good managers leave s*** clubs for ambitious ones. You still appear to have a problem with us not appointing one of the 2 or 3 winning managers because everybody else does it ? i have a problem with those 3 managerial appointments being crap from day one of each of their respective tenures................and everyone knowing it was going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 David Craig was on SSN saying they cant show all the press conference because Kinnear had another outburst Like quite a few people on here who read what they wanted to read. our demise of the last 18 months and current shambles isn't a figment of anyones imagination, other than those who refuse to admit it. only 18 months ? Everything was fine before then, which is why no-one ever had any complaints about the previous owners. eerr.......thats right, Shay Given signed a new contract, didn't he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you still think Ashley has improved the club then mackems.gif Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. no. Good managers leave s*** clubs for ambitious ones. You still appear to have a problem with us not appointing one of the 2 or 3 winning managers because everybody else does it ? i have a problem with those 3 managerial appointments being crap from day one of each of their respective tenures................ and everyone knowing it was going to happen. wrong. Some people even supported Souness right until the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 What was ambitious about the signings in 2006? Shay signed his new contract in May 2006 when we had just finished 7th, which was pre-signings in the summer. I guess at the time the swing in team moving up the league he thought we were back & he was also captain during the run in of that season. is the correct answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 what are you on The Mail claims one thing, Kinnear claims another, take your pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Soooo....the lawyer says that Man City & Arsenal have expressed their interest in him, and yet both Hughes & Wenger have came out this afternoon saying it's b*llocks...ah well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 David Craig was on SSN saying they cant show all the press conference because Kinnear had another outburst Like quite a few people on here who read what they wanted to read. our demise of the last 18 months and current shambles isn't a figment of anyones imagination, other than those who refuse to admit it. only 18 months ? Everything was fine before then, which is why no-one ever had any complaints about the previous owners. eerr.......thats right, Shay Given signed a new contract, didn't he So therefore, it was all just great. Incidentally, if he stays now, does that mean all's fine now as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Soooo....the lawyer says that Man City & Arsenal have expressed their interest in him, and yet both Hughes & Wenger have came out this afternoon saying it's b*llocks...ah well. Yes but the solicitor must be right, I wonder why? Add Kinnear to that list of those who are saying it's bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you still think Ashley has improved the club then mackems.gif Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. no. Good managers leave s*** clubs for ambitious ones. You still appear to have a problem with us not appointing one of the 2 or 3 winning managers because everybody else does it ? i have a problem with those 3 managerial appointments being crap from day one of each of their respective tenures................ and everyone knowing it was going to happen. wrong. Some people even supported Souness right until the end. ok then....vast majority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so you still think Ashley has improved the club then mackems.gif Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. no. Good managers leave s*** clubs for ambitious ones. You still appear to have a problem with us not appointing one of the 2 or 3 winning managers because everybody else does it ? i have a problem with those 3 managerial appointments being crap from day one of each of their respective tenures................ and everyone knowing it was going to happen. wrong. Some people even supported Souness right until the end. So were those people right or wrong to back Shepherd et al's decision to the very end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 You can't expect someone on half a million a year to get it right every time. Fair dos. But if some people on an internet forum get it wrong, then that's an absolute crime. Of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 David Craig was on SSN saying they cant show all the press conference because Kinnear had another outburst Like quite a few people on here who read what they wanted to read. our demise of the last 18 months and current shambles isn't a figment of anyones imagination, other than those who refuse to admit it. only 18 months ? Everything was fine before then, which is why no-one ever had any complaints about the previous owners. eerr.......thats right, Shay Given signed a new contract, didn't he Milner & Taylor, two England Under 21s whether we rate them or not, both signed new long-term contracts offered to them by Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 His distribution has always been poor and his clearances under pressure often go wayward. I'd be sad to see him go but not gutted. If we had a better midfield he'd be asked to do less anyway. £10m+ would be ok business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 We'll end up having a Krul summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I haven't read this whole thread (looks like old board/ new board surprise surprise), but here we are at the start of the transfer window & our longest serving regular player looks like he wants to leave. The noises coming from management sound like we're in the market for Championship players. This will get worse before it gets better. We desperately need a (non) existant buyer 'cos it doesn't look like anyone within the game either believes Ashley or wants to take a chance on him staying here. He's like a cancer at the club, in remission at the moment but he will kill the club if he stays long term. If our one or two real quality players do leave & we replace inadequately we are surely fucked; & it may be slow and painful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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