Roberto Martinez

[sugoinufc]

dont know much about martinez....only read here and on wiki!

 

but it sounds like he has proven himself already....young promising talent to stay for 3-4-5 years!

 

We should get him right know! I MEAN RIGHT KNOW!

 

He's proven that he can promote a team from League 1.

 

its good enough for me! I´ve seen  alot of managers doing well after a big step up in there carrier. If he has the right personality, ambition and good at handling his squad, why not?

 

its a bit risky, i know.....but f... it! Most managers starts somewhere (often lower divisions)

 

we could also go for sven g and hans backe or scolari if you prefer that!

 

all i really want is stability....someone to be at the helm for 3+ years.....so after a couple seasons his squad is exactly how he wants it (more or less). Only that way can we progress. would love to see someone build an attractive style of football and concept....which we haven´t had for a long time.

It will probably take time before we again can challenge top 6 every season.....but i believe the only way to do that is developing a concept over a long period......if we manage that....it will also be easier to replace managers because of a developed concept and stability within the club and squad...

maybe im dreaming....after all it is newcastle!

[Guest optimistic nit]

and also, for every disaster - like paul ince - theres a david moyes. fact is, there ARE some lower leagues managers who are ready for the step up, its just a matter of identifying whom. but as nixon says, will the big ego's take them seriously?

 

I disagree again mate... it's more like for every Paul Ince, Tony Adams, Steve Wigley, Paul Sturrock (off the top of my head)... there's a David Moyes.

 

Steve Wigley and Tony Adams were both promoted from within their clubs as opposed to plucked from the lower league.

 

The point still stands though. Unproven Premier League managers; Tony Adams' only other managerial experience was at Wycombe Wanderers, Steve Wigley had managed Aldershot Town. The two lasted a combined period of 29 Premier League matches, btw.....

 

who exactly are you expecting us to get? i cant think of any proven pl managers available at the moment other than maybe sven and outside the top four that could do a decent job for us apart from oneill, moyes,zola and maybe bruce, although i'm not sure about him either. there just aren't that many decent PL managers about at the minute.

[LooneyToonArmy]

mackems even started a thread on him

 

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=388906

[EthiGeordie]

    I think Sir John Hall said he could do the job just after Big Sam left. If he was rated him highly then this guy repution didn't go down a bit in the past a year and half. if we hire this sort of person we need to get him in the summer so that he can be givine full time.

[Tisd09]

IMO he wouldn't leave Swansea now anyway, why would he actually. Things are going really well for him at the moment and there is no guarentee that Newcastle won't be playing in the same division as Swansea next season.

 

If we go for him I would hope it would be early in the close season, enough time so he can relax on his hols and then come back refreshed for the roller coaster ride of his life.

[Groo]

Makes me gush, not used to so much publicity for a Swansea manager, two articles on him today that give a bit of an insight into his thoughts and character.

 

CLICK for Guardian

 

CLICK for Daily Mail

 

 

 

As a follower of Newcastle as a 'favourite first division team', as it was, since 1969, I've always wanted the best for Newcastle and if he leaves, which he will one day, I hope it is to you lot.

 

I remember some years ago being convinced that Mourinho would be the next Newcastle manager, after Bobby, due to his links with Bobby. He looked as if he was going to be a great manager, then the git went and won the European Cup with Porto and everyone suddenly wanted him.. oh well, if only.

 

I believe Martinez can enjoy the same success if he wants it..

[EthiGeordie]

        This guy is the next Mourinho thats why we have to start making some noises. For get all the boycott and lets make some banners and everything to educate people about this guy. If we repersent our case successfuly Ashley might not mind....

[Guest icemanblue]

        This guy is the next Mourinho thats why we have to start making some noises. For get all the boycott and lets make some banners and everything to educate people about this guy. If we repersent our case successfuly Ashley might not mind....

 

 

You're funny. I like you.

[Ketsbaia]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/roberto-martinez-the-next-arsene-wenger-1609097.html

 

Roberto Martinez: The next Arsene Wenger?

 

With his emphasis on science and skill, Roberto Martinez's managerial reputation is growing by the week. As his Swansea side prepared to shock Fulham in the FA Cup today, the Spaniard explained his philosophy to Chris McGrath

 

Saturday, 14 February 2009

 

DAVID ASHDOWN / INDEPENDENT

 

'Financially we could not compete at the top level,' says the Swansea manager, Roberto Martinez

 

It is like watching an emerging painter at work on his first, unmistakable masterpiece. Last summer, Roberto Martinez had just finished the preliminary sketch. In his only full season as a manager, Swansea City had won the League One title by 10 points, playing composed, confident football. Now, in the Championship, it was time to mix colours on the palette, and see whether the first draft might sustain deeper dimensions.

 

 

Most managers would become a little tentative at this point, never mind one still so young – he is 35 – or whose reinforcements had cost a maximum of €100,000 (£90,000). But the brushwork has instead become more assured by the week. Having initially aspired only to survival, Martinez enters the final phase of the campaign sizing up the Premier League from seventh place. And today, having already knocked out the holders, Swansea could make the last eight in the FA Cup. Success against Fulham would barely qualify as an upset if you contrast the visitors' timid away form with the simmering self-belief of a team turned over only once at home in the league all season – and unbeaten anywhere in 15 starts since November.

 

Martinez is gradually becoming the talk of cognoscenti throughout the game, On the one hand, in using all possible science, he reflects the creative, restless spirit of his native Catalonia; on the other, he enshrines the classical, purist principles of those adventurers, like Johan Cruyff, who made a football cosmopolis of Barcelona. Indeed though the comparison is an onerous even unfair one it is impossible not to see traces of the young Arsene Wenger.

 

Consider this testimony: "All of a sudden a young man comes along who knows exactly what he wants; who treats everyone the same; who has good authority; and gets the best out of his players. If you look at the way he put the squad together, I don't think many people thought they could be anything so special. As a player, you could see he was a thinker. He had to be, because he couldn't compete with players who were more physical, but he found a niche. He has a brain, and works extremely hard. It shows that yes, you need raw talent, but that success does not come by accident."

 

The speaker is Martinez; his subject is Pep Guardiola, a compatriot, near contemporary, and another overnight success, at Barcelona. Every last syllable, however, might just as easily be borrowed by any perceptive observer of Martinez himself.

 

There remains an obvious difference of context. Guardiola was long a cornerstone for Barcelona and Spain. Martinez's peregrinations took him from Zaragoza to Wigan (right), where he was introduced to the primitive mores of the British game, and thence off the map: Motherwell, Walsall, a first stint at Swansea, at the time flirting precariously with non-league football. He ended up at Chester, but two years ago Swansea remembered his cerebral, charismatic contributions as a player and paid a transfer fee so that he could return as coach.

 

A lot of great managers have had pretty plebeian playing careers, of course, and vice-versa. "When you are naturally talented, you don't really think how you do things," Martinez observed. "If you go past 10 people and put the ball in the back of the net, how can you explain that to a normal human being? It's impossible. It's different if you need to learn how you can be effective, how you hide your weaknesses and use your strengths. The only exception I've seen was Cruyff, but that's because he was a genius."

 

As they have reminded everyone this week, Premier League chairmen not only want results, they want them immediately. As such, they will no doubt become increasingly curious about the terms of the five-year contract Martinez signed last season. But how many of them, being prepared always to take three points at any price, truly speak this man's language?

 

"I am very strong in my beliefs, and the result has to come in a certain way," he said. "If not, I'm not happy with the result. It's the level of performance that counts, and the way you develop the football club. If you do it well, you'll get the results. Over 10 games, you have to find solutions, to be consistently good enough. But in one game, the pattern of play is as important as the result."

 

Some day, presumably, a big club will try to convince Martinez that it can resist the manic, credulous addiction to just-add-water management. But he will not heed any such temptation – as he patiently reiterates, every time his name is linked to the latest vacancy – unless or until Swansea's aspirations fail to keep step with his own.

 

"When I left Spain to come to Wigan, I learnt that in football you need to feel part of projects," he said. "You don't lose the long-term ambition, but you don't worry about it, because otherwise you lose focus on the daily fight. And then you get punished. What concerns me is the next game, is progressing the club on a daily basis. This board made a very brave decision to give me the job at 33, and as long as we have the same ambition it won't be a problem."

 

Fortunately for his present employers, they find themselves ahead of schedule, albeit there is an element of chicken-and-egg about that. When your club record fee is £400,000, you will hardly shout from the rooftops that you want the play-offs at the first attempt. "Financially we couldn't compete at this level," Martinez admitted. "So it is more about developing our players, about having hungry people who want to keep the standards on a daily basis, and not just in games. I'm delighted because I thought it would take us a bit longer to be ourselves on the pitch.

 

"We had a couple of big injuries, a few suspensions, and were pushed to the maximum. But we came through as a more mature squad. We drew eight games on the trot, and four of those were as one-sided as any draw you could see. So you could see we were getting there. We have enough games left now to push on for the next aim, which is the play-offs – and that would be a fantastic achievement."

 

In the circumstances, the Cup might even be viewed as a perilous distraction, given the exorbitant stakes for clubs either side of the relegation quicksand. Martinez, typically, is not dogmatic. "The world we live in now, there is not one chairman who would rather have a trophy than have his club stable for the next few seasons," he acknowledged. "But for us, this year, the Cup run arrives at a welcome moment. To go to Histon and then Portsmouth, and be ourselves, that was my biggest challenge of the season. We know what we're good at. But was there any environment that could stop us being ourselves? Now we've been everywhere, and the team has kept its standards. After the Portsmouth game, it was a very level-headed dressing room – proud of the result, but nothing over the top. And that's a great sign.

 

"We know we are the underdogs, but we want to come out with credit. I'm a big admirer of what Roy Hodgson has done in his career. Not many people can adapt so well to different environments. He's a football gentleman, and a winner."

 

As it happens, Hodgson is also one of the few around who can defend English managers against a charge of general inadequacy among the international elite. Asked, somewhat invidiously, for his explanation, Martinez recalls the Neanderthal football culture that shocked him on his arrival from Spain in 1995 – beans on toast for the pre-match meal, and a strategy that boiled down to punting the ball into the box, and "chasing" the chance to score.

 

"On the Continent it has always been more a case of finding a chance to score," he said. "So when you are a manager, instead of just making sure the players are fit, and have heart, and roll up their sleeves, you have to ask: 'Well, what approach is going to be needed today?' In Europe, at that time, British teams couldn't really compete because they were trying to go 110 per cent for 90 minutes – against teams that knew how to control the tempo."

 

Those days, he says, have gone now. By introducing tactical wit to its defining, positive approach – namely, that you try to win every game – the Premier League is dominating Europe. In principle, this should eventually yield a new generation of indigenous managers, but Martinez's own, spectacular arrival implies that it is not happening in a hurry.

 

In the summer, Martinez spoke of the kinship between the Welsh and Catalans, each finding emancipation in sport. Under Franco, Barcelona's stadium was one of the few places where people could safely chant: "Visca Catalunya!" But the romantic view of football is not necessarily a hopelessly quixotic one. As was again obvious on Wednesday, the Spanish national team has now learnt how to consummate that seductive technique of theirs. On the other hand, Salvador Dali had a characteristically Catalan axiom: "Have no fear of perfection – you will never get there."

 

Who knows what audacious magnum opus Martinez might produce, given a chance on the broadest canvas? Some day, perhaps, he will pit his wits against Guardiola himself. For now, he scrupulously confines himself to the task at hand, but this singular odyssey of his could conceivably become one of the great football journeys.

 

"When you are young, you can be very stubborn," he said. "If you have the belief, you will go through thick and thin. Sometimes, as an experienced man, you might say: 'I don't need this'. When you're young, you don't want easy options, you don't want easy solutions. You want what you feel is right.

 

"Because what we are doing on a Saturday affects people's lives. And that's important, especially in the climate we live in now. If we can give them a little bit of a smile, when they go home, then that gives us huge pride – then everything is worth it."

 

From Catalonia to the heart of Wales

 

*Roberto Martinez Gutierrez

 

Born 13 July, 1973, Balaguer, Spain

 

*After gaining his grounding at local side Balaguer and Real Zaragoza, Martinez joins compatriots Jesus Seba and Isidro Diaz at Wigan, making 227 appearances over six years. Spells with Motherwell and Walsall follow before a move to Swansea in 2003. He becomes a firm favourite in 139 games and, after a year at Chester, returns to manage the Swans.

 

*Martinez was appointed manager at the Liberty Stadium in February 2007 and just missed out on the play-offs, despite a fine late-season run. He guided the Swans to promotion to the Championship in his first full season and they currently sit one place and two points outside the play-offs.

[garth]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/roberto-martinez-the-next-arsene-wenger-1609097.html

 

Roberto Martinez: The next Arsene Wenger?

 

With his emphasis on science and skill, Roberto Martinez's managerial reputation is growing by the week. As his Swansea side prepared to shock Fulham in the FA Cup today, the Spaniard explained his philosophy to Chris McGrath

 

Saturday, 14 February 2009

 

DAVID ASHDOWN / INDEPENDENT

 

'Financially we could not compete at the top level,' says the Swansea manager, Roberto Martinez

 

It is like watching an emerging painter at work on his first, unmistakable masterpiece. Last summer, Roberto Martinez had just finished the preliminary sketch. In his only full season as a manager, Swansea City had won the League One title by 10 points, playing composed, confident football. Now, in the Championship, it was time to mix colours on the palette, and see whether the first draft might sustain deeper dimensions.

 

 

Most managers would become a little tentative at this point, never mind one still so young – he is 35 – or whose reinforcements had cost a maximum of €100,000 (£90,000). But the brushwork has instead become more assured by the week. Having initially aspired only to survival, Martinez enters the final phase of the campaign sizing up the Premier League from seventh place. And today, having already knocked out the holders, Swansea could make the last eight in the FA Cup. Success against Fulham would barely qualify as an upset if you contrast the visitors' timid away form with the simmering self-belief of a team turned over only once at home in the league all season – and unbeaten anywhere in 15 starts since November.

 

Martinez is gradually becoming the talk of cognoscenti throughout the game, On the one hand, in using all possible science, he reflects the creative, restless spirit of his native Catalonia; on the other, he enshrines the classical, purist principles of those adventurers, like Johan Cruyff, who made a football cosmopolis of Barcelona. Indeed though the comparison is an onerous even unfair one it is impossible not to see traces of the young Arsene Wenger.

 

Consider this testimony: "All of a sudden a young man comes along who knows exactly what he wants; who treats everyone the same; who has good authority; and gets the best out of his players. If you look at the way he put the squad together, I don't think many people thought they could be anything so special. As a player, you could see he was a thinker. He had to be, because he couldn't compete with players who were more physical, but he found a niche. He has a brain, and works extremely hard. It shows that yes, you need raw talent, but that success does not come by accident."

 

The speaker is Martinez; his subject is Pep Guardiola, a compatriot, near contemporary, and another overnight success, at Barcelona. Every last syllable, however, might just as easily be borrowed by any perceptive observer of Martinez himself.

 

There remains an obvious difference of context. Guardiola was long a cornerstone for Barcelona and Spain. Martinez's peregrinations took him from Zaragoza to Wigan (right), where he was introduced to the primitive mores of the British game, and thence off the map: Motherwell, Walsall, a first stint at Swansea, at the time flirting precariously with non-league football. He ended up at Chester, but two years ago Swansea remembered his cerebral, charismatic contributions as a player and paid a transfer fee so that he could return as coach.

 

A lot of great managers have had pretty plebeian playing careers, of course, and vice-versa. "When you are naturally talented, you don't really think how you do things," Martinez observed. "If you go past 10 people and put the ball in the back of the net, how can you explain that to a normal human being? It's impossible. It's different if you need to learn how you can be effective, how you hide your weaknesses and use your strengths. The only exception I've seen was Cruyff, but that's because he was a genius."

 

As they have reminded everyone this week, Premier League chairmen not only want results, they want them immediately. As such, they will no doubt become increasingly curious about the terms of the five-year contract Martinez signed last season. But how many of them, being prepared always to take three points at any price, truly speak this man's language?

 

"I am very strong in my beliefs, and the result has to come in a certain way," he said. "If not, I'm not happy with the result. It's the level of performance that counts, and the way you develop the football club. If you do it well, you'll get the results. Over 10 games, you have to find solutions, to be consistently good enough. But in one game, the pattern of play is as important as the result."

 

Some day, presumably, a big club will try to convince Martinez that it can resist the manic, credulous addiction to just-add-water management. But he will not heed any such temptation – as he patiently reiterates, every time his name is linked to the latest vacancy – unless or until Swansea's aspirations fail to keep step with his own.

 

"When I left Spain to come to Wigan, I learnt that in football you need to feel part of projects," he said. "You don't lose the long-term ambition, but you don't worry about it, because otherwise you lose focus on the daily fight. And then you get punished. What concerns me is the next game, is progressing the club on a daily basis. This board made a very brave decision to give me the job at 33, and as long as we have the same ambition it won't be a problem."

 

Fortunately for his present employers, they find themselves ahead of schedule, albeit there is an element of chicken-and-egg about that. When your club record fee is £400,000, you will hardly shout from the rooftops that you want the play-offs at the first attempt. "Financially we couldn't compete at this level," Martinez admitted. "So it is more about developing our players, about having hungry people who want to keep the standards on a daily basis, and not just in games. I'm delighted because I thought it would take us a bit longer to be ourselves on the pitch.

 

"We had a couple of big injuries, a few suspensions, and were pushed to the maximum. But we came through as a more mature squad. We drew eight games on the trot, and four of those were as one-sided as any draw you could see. So you could see we were getting there. We have enough games left now to push on for the next aim, which is the play-offs – and that would be a fantastic achievement."

 

In the circumstances, the Cup might even be viewed as a perilous distraction, given the exorbitant stakes for clubs either side of the relegation quicksand. Martinez, typically, is not dogmatic. "The world we live in now, there is not one chairman who would rather have a trophy than have his club stable for the next few seasons," he acknowledged. "But for us, this year, the Cup run arrives at a welcome moment. To go to Histon and then Portsmouth, and be ourselves, that was my biggest challenge of the season. We know what we're good at. But was there any environment that could stop us being ourselves? Now we've been everywhere, and the team has kept its standards. After the Portsmouth game, it was a very level-headed dressing room – proud of the result, but nothing over the top. And that's a great sign.

 

"We know we are the underdogs, but we want to come out with credit. I'm a big admirer of what Roy Hodgson has done in his career. Not many people can adapt so well to different environments. He's a football gentleman, and a winner."

 

As it happens, Hodgson is also one of the few around who can defend English managers against a charge of general inadequacy among the international elite. Asked, somewhat invidiously, for his explanation, Martinez recalls the Neanderthal football culture that shocked him on his arrival from Spain in 1995 – beans on toast for the pre-match meal, and a strategy that boiled down to punting the ball into the box, and "chasing" the chance to score.

 

"On the Continent it has always been more a case of finding a chance to score," he said. "So when you are a manager, instead of just making sure the players are fit, and have heart, and roll up their sleeves, you have to ask: 'Well, what approach is going to be needed today?' In Europe, at that time, British teams couldn't really compete because they were trying to go 110 per cent for 90 minutes – against teams that knew how to control the tempo."

 

Those days, he says, have gone now. By introducing tactical wit to its defining, positive approach – namely, that you try to win every game – the Premier League is dominating Europe. In principle, this should eventually yield a new generation of indigenous managers, but Martinez's own, spectacular arrival implies that it is not happening in a hurry.

 

In the summer, Martinez spoke of the kinship between the Welsh and Catalans, each finding emancipation in sport. Under Franco, Barcelona's stadium was one of the few places where people could safely chant: "Visca Catalunya!" But the romantic view of football is not necessarily a hopelessly quixotic one. As was again obvious on Wednesday, the Spanish national team has now learnt how to consummate that seductive technique of theirs. On the other hand, Salvador Dali had a characteristically Catalan axiom: "Have no fear of perfection – you will never get there."

 

Who knows what audacious magnum opus Martinez might produce, given a chance on the broadest canvas? Some day, perhaps, he will pit his wits against Guardiola himself. For now, he scrupulously confines himself to the task at hand, but this singular odyssey of his could conceivably become one of the great football journeys.

 

"When you are young, you can be very stubborn," he said. "If you have the belief, you will go through thick and thin. Sometimes, as an experienced man, you might say: 'I don't need this'. When you're young, you don't want easy options, you don't want easy solutions. You want what you feel is right.

 

"Because what we are doing on a Saturday affects people's lives. And that's important, especially in the climate we live in now. If we can give them a little bit of a smile, when they go home, then that gives us huge pride – then everything is worth it."

 

From Catalonia to the heart of Wales

 

*Roberto Martinez Gutierrez

 

Born 13 July, 1973, Balaguer, Spain

 

*After gaining his grounding at local side Balaguer and Real Zaragoza, Martinez joins compatriots Jesus Seba and Isidro Diaz at Wigan, making 227 appearances over six years. Spells with Motherwell and Walsall follow before a move to Swansea in 2003. He becomes a firm favourite in 139 games and, after a year at Chester, returns to manage the Swans.

 

*Martinez was appointed manager at the Liberty Stadium in February 2007 and just missed out on the play-offs, despite a fine late-season run. He guided the Swans to promotion to the Championship in his first full season and they currently sit one place and two points outside the play-offs.

 

 

The more I read about him the more I like, would be the ideal replacement for Kinnear.

[Robster]

The more I read about him the more I like, would be the ideal replacement for Kinnear.

Sadly, the more everyone reads about him, the more chance a more stable club than us will snap him up.

[Mistle17]

I dont think h'd come to us either, tbh. Why leave a club on the rise like Swansea for a crackpot, unstable club like Newcastle?! He's well within his comfort zone at Swansea and might not want to leave it yet.

 

But he does seem like a good prospect. I'd like him at SJP and with a bit of luck (injuries etc) and the right backing, then he could become a real hit with us.

 

Lets face it though, we're not going to be getting the likes of Van Gaal, Houllier, Bruce etc. in any time soon. We have to face it. I think we'd even struggle to tempt Shearer at this stage.

 

Going for people like Martinez isnt a bad idea at this stage.

[Frazzle]

Swansea concede after calamity defending, he's poifect for us. 

[Dave]

From the admittedly little I saw of Swansea today they look very impressive as a team.

[Parky]

From the admittedly little I saw of Swansea today they look very impressive as a team.

 

Haven't seen them but people say they are a good passing side.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Swansea absolutley battered Fulham. Fulham didnt have one half chance, their goal was an own goal.

 

Martinez has a cool air of quality and confidence about him, very Mourinho like without the ego.

 

We could do a hell of a lot worse

[Guest Heneage]

He's got them playing a good passing game can't fault that.

[EthiGeordie]

        We would be lucky if we got him but the way it works with Ashley it is all about freindship and who works best with me. Martinez have certain princpile how the game should palayed and he won't comprmaize that for any thing.

[Guest optimistic nit]

i think it would be good for football and his career if he stayed at swansea tbh, and i hope he does.

[garth]

Swansea were pissing all over Fulham today, they should have won the game. There big centre forward has a deft touch for a big guy, I liked a lot of their players I don't understand why lot of the Premiership clubs didn't go for some of them.

[Dave]

i think it would be good for football and his career if he stayed at swansea tbh, and i hope he does.

 

[eaststar]

Saw his interview on youtube and he speaks very well. Better than Rafa anyway.

 

If he brings a good passing game and has some new ideas, worth a shot.  From the interview (it was wher Swansea beat Doncaster 4-nil or something) one thing I picked up is how close and united the team seem to be.  I read that as meaning he is very good in the dressing room.

 

As most people say, can't really see it happening if he is only starting to play well with Swansea and they may make the premiership.  If not, then maybe we have a chance...hopefully!

 

In any case - I like. Ver~ry  nice

 

chinkyue

[Mowen]

Was impressed by the football they played today.

[Guest rosstoon]

I was impressed today. My mates have said about the way Swansea play. I like Martinez, Would not mind him being the next toon boss, As long as he brings Jordi Gomez and their RB Rangel.

[EthiGeordie]

        I started this thread and I am happy as some of you educating your self about this guy. As I said it from the begining he is all about possetion football and he is not result oriented person. I think he needs a good preseason in him though right now it is just not a good time.