NUSC - Good or Bad?

[Parky]

I notice you didn't try by the way.

 

How to post like parky lesson one: when the going gets tough, the parky gets vague.

 

Are you on some sort of mission here? 

[NE5]

I notice you didn't try by the way.

 

How to post like parky lesson one: when the going gets tough, the parky gets vague.

 

bickering ?

 

You started the thread, you think the NUSC is pointless. What is pointless is doing nothing, thats why the NUSC is worthwhile.

 

Make sense ? It ought to do, unless you think Ashley will succeed in making the club successful. If you don't, and think he is taking the club down like Leeds and Sheff Wed, as I do, then you ought to be wanting rid of him. I would say this is the "stance" of the NUSC, its just a shame it took Keegan to expose them for what they are.

 

The stance of the NUSC will probably change in time BTW. They will evolve into a being just a supporters group with no particular agenda other than supporting the club, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

 

 

[indi]

I think whoever's in charge they'll have to sort out the financial side me the club. If nusc had any workable alternatives then that'd be fine, they don't. You of all people should appreciate my issues with that.

[indi]

If/when NUSC becomes a proper supporters' club i'll reevaluate my opinion of them, until that happens they'll continue to be a single-issue protest group and should not try and pass themselves off as something they're not.

[Mick]

If/when NUSC becomes a proper supporters' club i'll reevaluate my opinion of them, until that happens they'll continue to be a single-issue protest group and should not try and pass themselves off as something they're not.

 

I think if they change tact then I'll just see them as wolves in sheeps clothing.

[Happy Face]

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

NUSC have to prove themselves to be a fully subscribed workable member driven organisation reprasenting the majority of fans opinions and have an impact on club policy BEFORE you'll subscribe?

 

What a strange and defeatist attitude towards a supporters club in its infancy.

 

Of course Ashley and his gang have had two years without any positive effect whatsoever, but they just need more time, which you're happy to give them.

 

[Parky]

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

NUSC have to prove themselves to be a fully subscribed workable member driven organisation reprasenting the majority of fans opinions and have an impact on club policy BEFORE you'll subscribe?

 

What a strange and defeatist attitude towards a supporters club in its infancy.

 

Of course Ashley and his gang have had two years without any positive effect whatsoever, but they just need more time, which you're happy to give them.

 

 

 

[ChezGiven]

If HF wants a benchmark to judge NUSC against then he should read this

 

http://www.le.ac.uk/sociology/css/resources/factsheets/fs7.html

 

[ewerk]

If/when NUSC becomes a proper supporters' club i'll reevaluate my opinion of them, until that happens they'll continue to be a single-issue protest group and should not try and pass themselves off as something they're not.

 

Is it strange for a supporters' club to take issue with the owner if they feel the owner and structure are the biggest barriers to the club's success? I think all supporters' groups around the country would do something similar, it just so happens that NUSC was formed out of frustration at the club's actions.

 

And I don't think the transfer spending is the only issue that NUSC have a problem with, there are plenty of other things the the club's management are doing wrong.

[Happy Face]

If HF wants a benchmark to judge NUSC against then he should read this

 

http://www.le.ac.uk/sociology/css/resources/factsheets/fs7.html

 

 

I've got bugger all interest in anything a student has to say about being a supporter.

 

Whoever wrote that (and I haven't read it) should get a real job.

[Guest toonlass]

Still nowt on their own website about this rally. When you go to the events page it brings up the announcement of the date of the last meeting on the 4th February, and on the main page its giving tickets away to see a play, sending get well soon messages to Joe Kinnear and annoucing the Jounal/Chronicle's interviews with Llambias. Not good like.

[themanupstairs]

I'd agree with a lot of the sentiment mentioned so far with regards to the outlandish expectations our fans have sometimes and the realistic, if somewhat mismanaged, plan that Ashley seems to have for the toon. Its certainly a good idea in principle.

 

My main gripe with NUSC is how Keegan-central it is. I don't care about Keegan any more, I'm sick of him.

 

 

 

c***.

 

was wondering where this particular ray of sunshine of a poster was

[ChezGiven]

If HF wants a benchmark to judge NUSC against then he should read this

 

http://www.le.ac.uk/sociology/css/resources/factsheets/fs7.html

 

 

I've got bugger all interest in anything a student has to say about being a supporter.

 

Whoever wrote that (and I haven't read it) should get a real job.

 

I hope you're joking and you should read it, its an excellent review of the effectiveness of supporters groups in the UK and there are plenty of lessons in there as to the scope of their potential achievement.

 

People from NUSC should have a gander too, might give them some ideas.

[Greg]

If HF wants a benchmark to judge NUSC against then he should read this

 

http://www.le.ac.uk/sociology/css/resources/factsheets/fs7.html

 

 

I've got bugger all interest in anything a student has to say about being a supporter.

 

Whoever wrote that (and I haven't read it) should get a real job.

 

It wasn't written by a student.

[Guest fading star]

So not only does no-one know what the point of the rally is, there's not a single mention of it on the NUSC website! This lack of communication is a disgrace!! I demand that the leadership of NUSC meets with us (me) to tell us what their plans are for the future of the (supporters') club.

 

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

 

NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy.

 

Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high,  this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!!

I still believe its got a big future,  whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already  the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind),  there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

 

 

 

What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work?

 

 

 

I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest,  Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority,  i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago.  The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

 

 

 

You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans.

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything.

 

Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity.

 

Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation.

[Guest toonlass]

So not only does no-one know what the point of the rally is, there's not a single mention of it on the NUSC website! This lack of communication is a disgrace!! I demand that the leadership of NUSC meets with us (me) to tell us what their plans are for the future of the (supporters') club.

 

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

 

NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy.

 

Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high,  this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!!

I still believe its got a big future,  whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already  the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind),  there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

 

 

 

What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work?

 

 

 

I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest,  Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority,  i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago.  The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

 

 

 

You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans.

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything.

 

Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity.

 

Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation.

 

Here you go then, what have they achieved for supporters of Newcastle United in their 6 months of existance? And don't bullshit with the "stewards" crap because they had sod all to do with that, and the 2 fans who were arrested at the boro, well its hardly made a huge impact on the 40,000 others who regularly attend matches. Have they had a go at Newcastle United for changing their number from an 0191 number to an 0845 one? NOPE. Have they asked Newcastle United to justify the prices in the kiosks at the ground, sodding nearly £2 for a bottle of coke, over £3 for a pint? NOPE. Have they done anything other than have a go at Ashley and Llambias? NOPE!

[Liam Liam Liam O]

So not only does no-one know what the point of the rally is, there's not a single mention of it on the NUSC website! This lack of communication is a disgrace!! I demand that the leadership of NUSC meets with us (me) to tell us what their plans are for the future of the (supporters') club.

 

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

 

NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy.

 

Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high,  this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!!

I still believe its got a big future,  whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already  the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind),  there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

 

 

 

What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work?

 

 

 

I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest,  Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority,  i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago.  The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

 

 

 

You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans.

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything.

 

Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity.

 

Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation.

 

Whilst it's fantastic that the charity received £3000 it's hardly worth getting excited about.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Here's a question, since everyone seems to agree that fans need a supporters club, why don't one of you opinionated and clearly super intelligent souls create one then?

[Guest fading star]

So not only does no-one know what the point of the rally is, there's not a single mention of it on the NUSC website! This lack of communication is a disgrace!! I demand that the leadership of NUSC meets with us (me) to tell us what their plans are for the future of the (supporters') club.

 

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

 

NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy.

 

Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high,  this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!!

I still believe its got a big future,  whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already  the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind),  there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

 

 

 

What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work?

 

 

 

I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest,  Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority,  i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago.  The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

 

 

 

You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans.

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything.

 

Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity.

 

Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation.

 

Whilst it's fantastic that the charity received £3000 it's hardly worth getting excited about.

No, but it’s still one positive thing NUSC has done is it not?

[Guest toonlass]

Here's a question, since everyone seems to agree that fans need a supporters club, why don't one of you opinionated and clearly super intelligent souls create one then?

 

Bit busy at the moment, plus I wouldn't have a clue how to go about setting one up. However NUSC is not a supporters group, its a kneejerk, vent your spleen group. Once it becomes a supporters group then I might consider joining, at the moment I won't bother.

[Thespence]

Here's a question, since everyone seems to agree that fans need a supporters club, why don't one of you opinionated and clearly super intelligent souls create one then?

 

Come on HTT most of us on here like to play cunts from our home/workplace/wherever & slate people. In the main we are nation of back seat drivers.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Here's a question, since everyone seems to agree that fans need a supporters club, why don't one of you opinionated and clearly super intelligent souls create one then?

 

Because its pretty much impossible to do.

 

To get people interested you need to have an angle, such as 'Ashley is the Devil and must be removed'. If you have an angle strong enough to get sufficient numbers involved this angle would typically have to be negative against the status quo, which then buts you a long way off being a supporters club and more a club championing change - big difference.

 

The only way a supporters club could be stablished would for it to come from the club itself but encouraged to be independent of the management of the club and with a link to discussions with someone close to decision making.

 

Its simple to build a small group, (well as simple as building a forum - of which I wouldn't know where to start!), there's plenty of small NUFC fan groups around. The fact that none have grown to a size where they could have influence supports my view

[Liam Liam Liam O]

So not only does no-one know what the point of the rally is, there's not a single mention of it on the NUSC website! This lack of communication is a disgrace!! I demand that the leadership of NUSC meets with us (me) to tell us what their plans are for the future of the (supporters') club.

 

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

 

NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy.

 

Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high,  this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!!

I still believe its got a big future,  whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already  the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind),  there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

 

 

 

What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work?

 

 

 

I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest,  Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority,  i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago.  The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

 

 

 

You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans.

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything.

 

Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity.

 

Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation.

 

Whilst it's fantastic that the charity received £3000 it's hardly worth getting excited about.

No, but it’s still one positive thing NUSC has done is it not?

 

They've raised £500 per month in 6 months. If that's the sum total of their achievements then they might as well not have bothered forming tbh.

 

They could have gained a lot more respect by giving say £1 of every £10 membership fee direct to the charity.

[binnsy]

So not only does no-one know what the point of the rally is, there's not a single mention of it on the NUSC website! This lack of communication is a disgrace!! I demand that the leadership of NUSC meets with us (me) to tell us what their plans are for the future of the (supporters') club.

 

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!!

 

NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy.

 

Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high,  this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!!

I still believe its got a big future,  whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already  the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind),  there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence.

 

 

 

What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work?

 

 

 

I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest,  Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority,  i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago.  The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work.

 

 

 

You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans.

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months.

 

If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything.

 

Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity.

 

Raised over £3000 for the SBR Foundation.

 

Whilst it's fantastic that the charity received £3000 it's hardly worth getting excited about.

No, but its still one positive thing NUSC has done is it not?

 

They've raised £500 per month in 6 months. If that's the sum total of their achievements then they might as well not have bothered forming tbh.

 

They could have gained a lot more respect by giving say £1 of every £10 membership fee direct to the charity.

 

sort of similar but i no that the plan was to give % of the money from the t-shirts to the SBR foundation.

[indi]

Here's a question, since everyone seems to agree that fans need a supporters club, why don't one of you opinionated and clearly super intelligent souls create one then?

 

The same reason you aren't out there stopping the killing of sharks for their fins, yet feel free to vent your anger at it happening.

 

The same reason people criticise the government, yet don't go off and start their own country.

 

The same reason NUSC feel free to criticise Ashley and the club, yet haven't established their own team, a la FC United of Manchester.

 

 

Basically, just because we're critical of something doesn't mean we have to produce our own version or do something ourself. We're allowed to criticise the efforts of others, especially when those others claim to represent us and want our support and demand our money if we decide to give them it, like NUSC do.