Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Gazza in I'm a Celeb would be absolutely disastrous the bloke is and always has been an alcoholic, he'd go bat shit mental in there. A sad story but I do often fail to have sympathy in situations like this, the bloke had it all and pissed it all away. There are people who work all of their lives in a tough 9-5 job, fall into mental health issues due to no fault of their own (bereavement etc.) and they get a miniscule of the support that he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Not sure eating bugs and having spiders crawling on his face would have been good for a bloke with his mental state, mind :lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie1892 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 "I'm not perfect and don't want to be either but I am trying my best always" "Thanks so much for all your support. You would think they would leave me alone but it is good sometimes being famous. "I've done really well for 11 months. I have one blip and I get hammered for it. I am back on track now." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35918259 It's actually quite insulting that he persists with the fantasy he's been dry for 11 months up until last week's 'blip'. If he thinks anyone is buying this crap then he's more ill than I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Gazza in I'm a Celeb would be absolutely disastrous the bloke is and always has been an alcoholic, he'd go bat shit mental in there. A sad story but I do often fail to have sympathy in situations like this, the bloke had it all and pissed it all away. There are people who work all of their lives in a tough 9-5 job, fall into mental health issues due to no fault of their own (bereavement etc.) and they get a miniscule of the support that he does. Don't get this at all. He's battling a devastating addiction, through no fault of his own either. What difference does it make what support other people have or haven't had? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Gazza in I'm a Celeb would be absolutely disastrous the bloke is and always has been an alcoholic, he'd go bat shit mental in there. A sad story but I do often fail to have sympathy in situations like this, the bloke had it all and pissed it all away. There are people who work all of their lives in a tough 9-5 job, fall into mental health issues due to no fault of their own (bereavement etc.) and they get a miniscule of the support that he does. Don't get this at all. He's battling a devastating addiction, through no fault of his own either. What difference does it make what support other people have or haven't had? Surely it has to be partly if not a fair chunk of his own fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well no more than anyone else who's addicted to something. I guess in theory he has a choice of some kind, but obviously people can't just choose to not be addicted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I can understand people thinking he's a lost cause like but there's no need to be a dick about it It's proper sad what's happened to the bloke whether it's his fault or not, or whether others have had it worse than him before or after he got there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well no more than anyone else who's addicted to something. I guess in theory he has a choice of some kind, but obviously people can't just choose to not be addicted. Agree with that like, but if he doesn't face up to his part in it he'll have a ready made excuse. If people say to him it's never his fault, while marriage breakdown, loss of job (not being a footballer anymore) and other things happen that drive you to addiction. You simply can't say don't worry mate, you're not to blame in any way. His marriage for instance and hitting his wife, things happen that you are responsible for and must face up to, to understand your addiction and the causes of it, so you can start helping yourself along with other help to get yourself clean. You simply can't absorb him of blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm sure a massive stumbling block is Gazza's lack of brains. Harsh,yes, but true, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well OK, I don't know enough about the causes of his addiction to comment on that, presumably they're many and complex. I was originally responding to Figures' comment about other people not being at fault for what happens to them. Either way I'll always think of people suffering addiction with compassion before anything else, no matter how many 'chances they've had'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm sure a massive stumbling block is Gazza's lack of brains. Harsh,yes, but true, unfortunately. Could be a factor but addiction to drink covers all kinds. While people talk of smoking bans, drugs and gambling. Drink is far more accessable to all ages and far more dangerous in that respect imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 No fault of his own ffs. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 No fault of his own ffs. Christ. You're such a cock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well no more than anyone else who's addicted to something. I guess in theory he has a choice of some kind, but obviously people can't just choose to not be addicted. Agree with that like, but if he doesn't face up to his part in it he'll have a ready made excuse. If people say to him it's never his fault, while marriage breakdown, loss of job (not being a footballer anymore) and other things happen that drive you to addiction. You simply can't say don't worry mate, you're not to blame in any way. His marriage for instance and hitting his wife, things happen that you are responsible for and must face up to, to understand your addiction and the causes of it, so you can start helping yourself along with other help to get yourself clean. You simply can't absorb him of blame. Absolve? Anyway, alcoholism has a > 60% relapse rate. You can bet your life that lots of those people understand addiction and causes behind it but will relapse anyway. The fact that he can't or hasn't solved it yet doesn't make him a responsibility dodging monster, it makes him actually completely normal (among alcoholics). It's a chronic problem that's not easy to solve, mostly due to factors they can't control, e.g. DNA predisposing them to addiction, troubled early and formative years leading them down a bad path. So I'm not entirely sure of what to blame him. Not solving an extraordinarily hard problem like alcoholism? Having bad genes and a shitty childhood? That said, it is also disheartening to see how unevenly second (and higher) chances - not just for alcoholism but for most things - get distributed in society. But I don't lay that at his feet and I won't be in the business of telling the people who help him they can't do what they want with their time/money. Just fucking tragic all around really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well no more than anyone else who's addicted to something. I guess in theory he has a choice of some kind, but obviously people can't just choose to not be addicted. Agree with that like, but if he doesn't face up to his part in it he'll have a ready made excuse. If people say to him it's never his fault, while marriage breakdown, loss of job (not being a footballer anymore) and other things happen that drive you to addiction. You simply can't say don't worry mate, you're not to blame in any way. His marriage for instance and hitting his wife, things happen that you are responsible for and must face up to, to understand your addiction and the causes of it, so you can start helping yourself along with other help to get yourself clean. You simply can't absorb him of blame. Absolve? Anyway, alcoholism has a > 60% relapse rate. You can bet your life that lots of those people understand addiction and causes behind it but will relapse anyway. The fact that he can't or hasn't solved it yet doesn't make him a responsibility dodging monster, it makes him actually completely normal (among alcoholics). It's a chronic problem that's not easy to solve, mostly due to factors they can't control, e.g. DNA predisposing them to addiction, troubled early and formative years leading them down a bad path. So I'm not entirely sure of what to blame him. Not solving an extraordinarily hard problem like alcoholism? Having bad genes and a shitty childhood? That said, it is also disheartening to see how unevenly second (and higher) chances - not just for alcoholism but for most things - get distributed in society. But I don't lay that at his feet and I won't be in the business of telling the people who help him they can't do what they want with their time/money. Just fucking tragic all around really. Aye sorry, that was it I'm going through a bit of this with my brother and his wife (which usually ends in violence between them or whoever they've crossed while drunk). You have sympathy but you run out after years of threats, assaults and ridiculous outbursts for no reason, you just get worn down by it all. You don't give up but you find it hard to show the love you have for them, you're just beaten down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 No fault of his own ffs. Christ. Don't take this personally, but you're everything that's wrong with the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I don't know a whole lot on the matter like, but I don't see how you can look at an alcoholic and say that it's not their fault. Of course it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 It is and it isn't his fault. It's an illness. Plenty on AA's website about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I don't know a whole lot on the matter like, but I don't see how you can look at an alcoholic and say that it's not their fault. Because it's the simplistic reasoning of a caveman who thinks cause and effect occurs in a vacuum and doesn't want to consider it a disease that can interfere with otherwise rational and normal brains. 'Fault' or blame implies choice and forethought, so it's effectively saying someone has chosen to destroy their life by willfully becoming be an alcoholic, which is absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 It is and it isn't his fault. It's an illness. Plenty on AA's website about this. I didn't mean that it is strictly and only his fault. It's that some people above are suggesting that it isn't his fault at all which isn't true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 No fault of his own ffs. Christ. Don't take this personally, but you're everything that's wrong with the world. I love imagining Ian as Corbyn and Ron as Cameron during PMQs when I read stuff like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I don't know a whole lot on the matter like, but I don't see how you can look at an alcoholic and say that it's not their fault. Because it's the simplistic reasoning of a caveman who thinks cause and effect occurs in a vacuum and doesn't want to consider it a disease that can interfere with otherwise rational and normal brains. 'Fault' or blame implies choice and forethought, so it's effectively saying someone has chosen to destroy their life by willfully becoming be an alcoholic, which is absurd. In my opinion there is always a point of no return, and you always have a point before that where you can logically think to yourself, "I'm in serious danger of losing control here. I need to stop this before it goes further." I don't think it's simplistic reasoning at all to suggest that alcoholics need to shoulder at least some of the blame for allowing themselves to go past the point of no return. EDIT: I should also mention that I felt like that once. It isn't ignorant thinking of my behalf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I dunno how someone can say that someone is at fault for being an alcoholic as if they've chosen that as the road they want to go down. Yes, turning to alcohol and allowing it to get to the point of being an alcoholic is foolish and there's enough evidence to suggest that everyone should have the common sense to know when to nip it in the bud and exercise restraint, but once it's an addiction it's exactly that and free will and restraint are obviously a lot harder. Gazza's circumstances are extremely unique and I would imagine make it a lot harder to go sober. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I can understand people thinking he's a lost cause like but there's no need to be a dick about it It's proper sad what's happened to the bloke whether it's his fault or not, or whether others have had it worse than him before or after he got there. Some people in here are furious. Insulted, ffs "He's lying to us". What? An addict in denial? Never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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