Guest Micktoon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. Don't be so bloody stupid. Like i said I'll get shot down in flames. However it's my opinion based upon the fact that even the most retarded business man would not make the string of errors and tell, through lambs arse, the string of lies he has without something else going on. If you don't agree with my opnion fair enough, but that's what I think so f*** you http://www.campforktailcreek.com/images/new/campforktail-angling-002.jpg Hook, line and stinker. In the words of Jimmy Nail "double bollocks" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. How do you work that out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. whoah there buddy. i don't remember at anypoint moat saying who the manager would be, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. Yes, I know all about being relegated, big debt etc etc...BUT - neither of the 2 clubs mentioned should be mentioned in the same breath as Newcastle United when it comes to what can be achieved in terms of support(including International potential)or recent success in terms of CL qualification etc. Birmingham have never been a regular Prem side OR been in Europe as often as NUFC - their crowds don't approach ours, and neither does their stadium ; the same comments could be made about Pompey and yet both these clubs were bought by people with big money - in Brum's case, a Hong Kong businessman who paid 80m for the club.. The only conclusions that can be drawn from this are ;- 1. The Off-balance sheet items are worse than we think 2. The debt is worse than is believed 3. Potential buyers think that the club is too 'provincially clannish' and therefore only manageable by a local acceptable to the fans(NOT totally true, but there is SOME truth in that - witness those who are pleased the club is relegated so that 'glory-hunters' stop supporting it) 4. Potential buyers are being 'warned off', either by people in the media, influential people in the City of London because of their strained relations with Ashley, OR - worse still - by so-called 'influential' people in the game... There are other factors which could be drawn into play, but these seem the most likely - after all, if you had a chance of buying NUFC for, say, 15m more than Brum, logic dictates that anyone wanting to make a success of the club would plump for Newcastle - even though Brum(and Pompey) are currently in the Prem. Has nobody really asked themselves why such a situation exists, and if they have, has anyone been honest enough to try to accept that, for some reason, these innocuous clubs are seen as more attractive than NUFC..? I have tried to look at this question as a neutral buyer would, and even without any hint of bias, Newcastle seems a better buy than either of those clubs - indeed, there are several clubs currently in the prem who are dead-beats when compared to Newcastle's potential and draw - it would be easier to understand IF - IF NO clubs were being bought because of caution over the financial situation, but this is not the case.. Doesn't this all seem a bit strange to you guys....! There is something wrong here... I think its simply a financial issue. £100 million for the club plus repaying Ashley's debt of say £110 million plus funding operating losses of more millions for at least one year is not a very attractive deal to buy the football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? You know Dave, the Pompey takeover that is still yet to be completed and the Birmingham takeover that should be done by November Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I wish I could see what the orgones around Ashley looked like. Or how much sraf or Dust he was attracting. Yes, I read His Dark Materials on holiday. Better logic than some in here btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. How do you work that out? Well it's obvious Moat will the new owner or at least the majority shareholder and Shearer is his first choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? You know Dave, the Pompey takeover that is still yet to be completed and the Birmingham takeover that should be done by November not tyo mention the brum one has been on/off for at least a year or two already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. whoah there buddy. i don't remember at anypoint moat saying who the manager would be, I thought I read somewhere he wanted Shearer as his first choice for the Managers job. then maybe I misread then. Fuck it!!!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Well nothing has changed really. Fingers crossed Moat can sort out his deal because you know fine with this lot there is no plan B. It will inevitably be Hughton for the rest of the season and maybe one or two panic loan signings on deadline day if Moat doesn't find the cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. How do you work that out? Well it's obvious Moat will the new owner or at least the majority shareholder and Shearer is his first choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 So the real positive coming out of this statement is Shearer will be Manager sooner rather than later. whoah there buddy. i don't remember at anypoint moat saying who the manager would be, I thought I read somewhere he wanted Shearer as his first choice for the Managers job. then maybe I misread then. f*** it!!!. i don't think i've read anything directly attributable to moat. for every story saying whoever comes in shearer will be manager there's one saying he won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? You know Dave, the Pompey takeover that is still yet to be completed and the Birmingham takeover that should be done by November And hasn't the bloke buying Brum being trying to buy them since they were last in the prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. Yes, I know all about being relegated, big debt etc etc...BUT - neither of the 2 clubs mentioned should be mentioned in the same breath as Newcastle United when it comes to what can be achieved in terms of support(including International potential)or recent success in terms of CL qualification etc. Birmingham have never been a regular Prem side OR been in Europe as often as NUFC - their crowds don't approach ours, and neither does their stadium ; the same comments could be made about Pompey and yet both these clubs were bought by people with big money - in Brum's case, a Hong Kong businessman who paid 80m for the club.. The only conclusions that can be drawn from this are ;- 1. The Off-balance sheet items are worse than we think 2. The debt is worse than is believed 3. Potential buyers think that the club is too 'provincially clannish' and therefore only manageable by a local acceptable to the fans(NOT totally true, but there is SOME truth in that - witness those who are pleased the club is relegated so that 'glory-hunters' stop supporting it) 4. Potential buyers are being 'warned off', either by people in the media, influential people in the City of London because of their strained relations with Ashley, OR - worse still - by so-called 'influential' people in the game... There are other factors which could be drawn into play, but these seem the most likely - after all, if you had a chance of buying NUFC for, say, 15m more than Brum, logic dictates that anyone wanting to make a success of the club would plump for Newcastle - even though Brum(and Pompey) are currently in the Prem. Has nobody really asked themselves why such a situation exists, and if they have, has anyone been honest enough to try to accept that, for some reason, these innocuous clubs are seen as more attractive than NUFC..? I have tried to look at this question as a neutral buyer would, and even without any hint of bias, Newcastle seems a better buy than either of those clubs - indeed, there are several clubs currently in the prem who are dead-beats when compared to Newcastle's potential and draw - it would be easier to understand IF - IF NO clubs were being bought because of caution over the financial situation, but this is not the case.. Doesn't this all seem a bit strange to you guys....! There is something wrong here... I think years of shitty media stereotyping of the club have taken their toll, the fans want instant success, we won't give managers enough time, etc. If you were an outsider looking at the club and constantly hearing all the crap that gets repeated about the club you might think twice about investing your cash in the club if you think there's a chance you're going to have the fans on your back after a month. A lie told often enough becomes truth Vladimir Lenin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I don't know how some people satisfay their creeds. This is very positive news even a dubai sheike is short of finalising a deal for Portsmouth and the deal is almost dead. As for Moat he have the money to buy the club which is huge in the current financial climate.... We are only need a loan from the Barcly to finance the deal and it is not that huge but it needs some time to complete the deal. Thanks.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joeyt Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Where's Thomo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Where's Thomo? Missing presumed dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? You know Dave, the Pompey takeover that is still yet to be completed and the Birmingham takeover that should be done by November not tyo mention the brum one has been on/off for at least a year or two already ...and ours hasn't..!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? You know Dave, the Pompey takeover that is still yet to be completed and the Birmingham takeover that should be done by November not tyo mention the brum one has been on/off for at least a year or two already ...and ours hasn't..!? No that's the point. Someone said theres has happened quickly. Edit - Hang on that someone was you lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? You know Dave, the Pompey takeover that is still yet to be completed and the Birmingham takeover that should be done by November not tyo mention the brum one has been on/off for at least a year or two already ...and ours hasn't..!? The same fella, Carson Yeung (?) started the process of buying Brum last time they were in the Prem. So yeah, it's actually 18-24 months for that deal. And the Pompey deal doesn't look likely to be finalised in the near future either. And the sheik's name was mentioned earlier than Moat so that's also taken longer time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. Yes, I know all about being relegated, big debt etc etc...BUT - neither of the 2 clubs mentioned should be mentioned in the same breath as Newcastle United when it comes to what can be achieved in terms of support(including International potential)or recent success in terms of CL qualification etc. Birmingham have never been a regular Prem side OR been in Europe as often as NUFC - their crowds don't approach ours, and neither does their stadium ; the same comments could be made about Pompey and yet both these clubs were bought by people with big money - in Brum's case, a Hong Kong businessman who paid 80m for the club.. The only conclusions that can be drawn from this are ;- 1. The Off-balance sheet items are worse than we think 2. The debt is worse than is believed 3. Potential buyers think that the club is too 'provincially clannish' and therefore only manageable by a local acceptable to the fans(NOT totally true, but there is SOME truth in that - witness those who are pleased the club is relegated so that 'glory-hunters' stop supporting it) 4. Potential buyers are being 'warned off', either by people in the media, influential people in the City of London because of their strained relations with Ashley, OR - worse still - by so-called 'influential' people in the game... There are other factors which could be drawn into play, but these seem the most likely - after all, if you had a chance of buying NUFC for, say, 15m more than Brum, logic dictates that anyone wanting to make a success of the club would plump for Newcastle - even though Brum(and Pompey) are currently in the Prem. Has nobody really asked themselves why such a situation exists, and if they have, has anyone been honest enough to try to accept that, for some reason, these innocuous clubs are seen as more attractive than NUFC..? I have tried to look at this question as a neutral buyer would, and even without any hint of bias, Newcastle seems a better buy than either of those clubs - indeed, there are several clubs currently in the prem who are dead-beats when compared to Newcastle's potential and draw - it would be easier to understand IF - IF NO clubs were being bought because of caution over the financial situation, but this is not the case.. Doesn't this all seem a bit strange to you guys....! There is something wrong here... Dear Merlin..... You usually close to facts but it is wrong the Portsmouth saga is still going on with the owner put the club on sale over a year now. Birmngham was on sale and use to negotiate with this HK bloke for nearly two years. So please lets not put false logic to raise our hopes.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. Yes, I know all about being relegated, big debt etc etc...BUT - neither of the 2 clubs mentioned should be mentioned in the same breath as Newcastle United when it comes to what can be achieved in terms of support(including International potential)or recent success in terms of CL qualification etc. Birmingham have never been a regular Prem side OR been in Europe as often as NUFC - their crowds don't approach ours, and neither does their stadium ; the same comments could be made about Pompey and yet both these clubs were bought by people with big money - in Brum's case, a Hong Kong businessman who paid 80m for the club.. The only conclusions that can be drawn from this are ;- 1. The Off-balance sheet items are worse than we think 2. The debt is worse than is believed 3. Potential buyers think that the club is too 'provincially clannish' and therefore only manageable by a local acceptable to the fans(NOT totally true, but there is SOME truth in that - witness those who are pleased the club is relegated so that 'glory-hunters' stop supporting it) 4. Potential buyers are being 'warned off', either by people in the media, influential people in the City of London because of their strained relations with Ashley, OR - worse still - by so-called 'influential' people in the game... There are other factors which could be drawn into play, but these seem the most likely - after all, if you had a chance of buying NUFC for, say, 15m more than Brum, logic dictates that anyone wanting to make a success of the club would plump for Newcastle - even though Brum(and Pompey) are currently in the Prem. Has nobody really asked themselves why such a situation exists, and if they have, has anyone been honest enough to try to accept that, for some reason, these innocuous clubs are seen as more attractive than NUFC..? I have tried to look at this question as a neutral buyer would, and even without any hint of bias, Newcastle seems a better buy than either of those clubs - indeed, there are several clubs currently in the prem who are dead-beats when compared to Newcastle's potential and draw - it would be easier to understand IF - IF NO clubs were being bought because of caution over the financial situation, but this is not the case.. Doesn't this all seem a bit strange to you guys....! There is something wrong here... Dear Merlin..... You usually close to facts but it is wrong the Portsmouth saga is still going on with the owner put the club on sale over a year now. Birmngham was on sale and use to negotiate with this HK bloke for nearly two years. So please lets not put false logic to raise our hopes.... I think the biggest difference between us and the other two clubs you mentioned is that they, if i remeber correctly, have both been run quite astutely, which means that £80m pretty much means £80m. With us you buy the club for £100m knowing you are inheriting the highest wage bill in the championship, a £100m loan and a club that is in no way financially prepared for life in the Championship. We need a major financial restructure or immediate promotion in order to avoid servious problems in the near future - that is a fucking massive risk for any businessman. If i was buying a club as an investment i'd probably opt for Birmingham City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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