Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Walcott and Johnson/Young either side of Rooney needs to be tried. As does Walcott and Rooney either side of Carroll. You already said Rooney is Englands best player and had his best season playing as a lone striker in a 4-5-1/4-3-3, so wouldn't it be a waste for him to be put out wide in a front 3? Can't argue with Walcott & Johnson/Young out wide though. It needs to be tried. What we do know, is that he can be very ineffective in a 4-4-2. When he played in a 2 with Van Nistelrooj he was effective, but only because he primarily worked the channels. He could do that in a 4-3-3. It was tried, albeit 5 years ago. England lost the game 1-0 to Northern Ireland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. The best upcoming English midfielder is left footed, Jack Wilshere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. No, no, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. What are you talking about? There's no reason Gerrard can't play on the left of a midfield 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. The best upcoming English midfielder is left footed, Jack Wilshere. Isn't Matt Jarvis left footed also? What about Josh McEachran? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. Agreed in principle. Can't Huddlestone play the holding role in the meanwhile? Certainly has the frame and passing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Walcott and Johnson/Young either side of Rooney needs to be tried. As does Walcott and Rooney either side of Carroll. Both sound good but the latter even better. Think Rooney needs to be played linking mid and attack to get his form back instead of focal upfront by himself which isn't working for him atm (when fit) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. Agreed in principle. Can't Huddlestone play the holding role in the meanwhile? Certainly has the frame and passing Yep. Huddlestone could do a good job in there, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. The best upcoming English midfielder is left footed, Jack Wilshere. Isn't Matt Jarvis left footed also? What about Josh McEachran? I think McEachran is, wasn't sure so didn't mention him though. Not sure about Jarvis like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. That's a load of crap like, who cares about footedness in centre midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. What are you talking about? There's no reason Gerrard can't play on the left of a midfield 3. It's a compromise, that's why. You're having to play a right footer there because we don't have anyone decent and experienced with a left foot. As far as i'm concerned you play the formation that best suits the players at your disposal. You don't start with the formation and fill the gaps, compromising along the way when you can't find a suitable player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 See the post above from SEMTEX and wake the fuck up. It's not a compromise. Our best players aren't suited to 4-4-2 and don't play in that formation with their clubs. Wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lampard, Gerrard and ideally, Rodwell. But that depends on his development. So now you're shoe-horning players into positions they're not suited to. Regardless of it being a midfield 3 you still want a left-footer on the left, which leaves you with Gareth Barry. It's the same problem again - we might have the front men to fit into a 4-3-3 but we don't have the midfielders. That's a load of crap like, who cares about footedness in centre midfield? A load of crap eh? Do you understand anything about football? Gerrard is right footed so where will he gravitate to when he has the ball? You can tell a player to stay left but in the heat of a game you instinctively do what feels natural. Gerrard would move infield, leaving a massive gap on the left for the opposition to attack. World class managers try to identify possible areas of weakness in the opposition and exploit them - Joachim Loew's comments after the World Cup defeat: "Today we were dominant," Loew said. "We were successful in luring Terry out of defence with (Thomas) Mueller and (Lukas) Podolski penetrating the wide defence. "We knew that the midfielders (Steven) Gerrard and (Frank) Lampard always support the forwards, and that their midfield would be open," Loew continued. "So our objective was to set Terry up with Klose to force him to come out of the defence. We knew that the full-backs would be very much to the sides and create spaces between the England defenders that would help us penetrate their defence. "We wanted to do this and we were successful there." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 What does the above have to do with anything you're saying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 What does the above have to do with anything you're saying? It has everything to do with what i'm saying about playing Gerrard in a position he's not acustomed to you fucking cretin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Central midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Simple question Ronaldo: Does Steven Gerrard play on the left of a midfield 3 for Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Left side of midfield is still centre midfield. He's not out of position at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 The Germany game was lost primarily because of misfiring forwards, a non-performance from Barry and a shockingly pedestrian defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Left side of midfield is still centre midfield. He's not out of position at all. Simple question SEMTEX: Does Steven Gerrard play on the left of a midfield 3 for Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I don't think that clubs not playing 4-4-2 is a reason for England not to play it. That's flawed logic, clubs are full of foreign players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 The Germany game was lost primarily because of mis-firing forwards, a non-performance from Barry and a shockingly pedestrian defence. You seem to know a lot more about it than a world class international football manager. Wow, you're more knowledgeable than I thought. They gave us a 90 minute dry bumming because they knew how to exploit our weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 This is a wind-up right, Steve? Incase it isn't; Where was the left footer in Spains 3 man midfield when they won the World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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