AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Pretty much the crux of it there. If you have a fairly average squad they all need to perform near the top of their game - a squad like England's can't afford to have 4 players who could be described as 'terrible'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Aye. Will be interesting to see what Rodgers does with him this year. Sneaky fantasy pick for me I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Why is Johnson getting flack? Milner was terrible. How does that correlate with my post then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Not convinced that Rooney plays best off the striker. For me he should be the 'number 9', even for Man Utd he's more effective pushed right up on the opposition's defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Probably going to be pilloried for this, but I actually thought Milner played reasonably well yesterday. Would have taken Young off (regardless of penalty miss) way before Milner. Not quite sure why no-one seemed to pick up on how dreadful Terry was. Embarrassing to watch him at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Probably going to be pilloried for this, but I actually thought Milner played reasonably well yesterday. Would have taken Young off (regardless of penalty miss) way before Milner. Not quite sure why no-one seemed to pick up on how dreadful Terry was. Embarrassing to watch him at times. Was that a 'everyone on this forum said Terry was awful' or 'he played really great'? I was more referring to tv pundits rather than here. Wasn't on forum last night so don't know what people said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Milner played because Hodgson knows Johnson can't defend IMO. Bullshit. I thought that was pretty much the accepted opinion as well TBH. Would be interested to hear a multi-word argument from you like. Can you honestly say Johnson was a weakness in the defence? He's a decent defender. The idea of playing Johnson is to force the opposition fullback and winger into doing some defending. He rarely got forward so Hodgson clearly trusts his defence work. Poor positionally sometimes when keeping the offside line but individually, being run at, defending crosses etc. no sorry he was pretty decent. Milner played because Hodgson wanted to play a defensive and narrow midfield. Milner spent most of the game close to De Rossi who is a central midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 And the other three matches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Probably going to be pilloried for this, but I actually thought Milner played reasonably well yesterday. Would have taken Young off (regardless of penalty miss) way before Milner. Not quite sure why no-one seemed to pick up on how dreadful Terry was. Embarrassing to watch him at times. Was that a 'everyone on this forum said Terry was awful' or 'he played really great'? I was more referring to tv pundits rather than here. Wasn't on forum last night so don't know what people said. I thought Terry was quality last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Should have started last night instead of Welbeck who has looked horribly out of his depth. More bullshit. Welbeck won every header and linked up play well and actually tried to pick up Pirlo. The lad had a decent game and tournament. He's better than I gave him credit for. Carroll won his headers but they went nowhere and lost the ball every time with his passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I still doesn't get it it why play invisible Herderson does absolute none... like when he was at liverpool ... i still doesn't get what manager + coach see on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Your standards must be different to mine then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 And the other three matches? A narrow midfield with hard-working wide players is simply the way Hodgson wants to play. Look how narrow and deep Young played, is it because Cole can't defend? Milner is decent defensively and its probably why he starts but that's part of the plan, not because Johnson is weak defensively. Hodgson sent the team out to play defensively. Each and every game, did you not see that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Probably going to be pilloried for this, but I actually thought Milner played reasonably well yesterday. Would have taken Young off (regardless of penalty miss) way before Milner. Not quite sure why no-one seemed to pick up on how dreadful Terry was. Embarrassing to watch him at times. Was that a 'everyone on this forum said Terry was awful' or 'he played really great'? I was more referring to tv pundits rather than here. Wasn't on forum last night so don't know what people said. I thought Terry was quality last night. Fair enough - I thought he was awful. He was alright at the usual last ditch defending and heading the ball away, but I thought his positioning and decision making was very poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I thought both Carroll and Welbeck looked good. Really, Rooney should have been taken off instead of Welbeck. If Carroll has a decent season he will become undroppable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I still doesn't get it it why play invisible Herderson does absolute none... like when he was at liverpool ... i still doesn't get what manager + coach see on him. I would genuinely have rather seen Perch playing there instead of Henderson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Should have started last night instead of Welbeck who has looked horribly out of his depth. What did Carroll do particularly better than Welbeck? Both won flick ons but didn't offer much. I think Carroll did OK compared to the horrendous displays of some of the others last night but people are seriously overrating his two appearances. For the few times he brought the ball down his distribution was hit and miss, 53% is a very poor stat. I thought he was poor against Sweden from 20 minutes onwards too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Your standards must be different to mine then. Whey, not Ronaldo, but a good performance when given the chance. He controlled the ball, held it up and passed it. He scored one good header from the only chance he had. Not bad IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 And the other three matches? A narrow midfield with hard-working wide players is simply the way Hodgson wants to play. Look how narrow and deep Young played, is it because Cole can't defend? Milner is decent defensively and its probably why he starts but that's part of the plan, not because Johnson is weak defensively. Hodgson sent the team out to play defensively. Each and every game, did you not see that? Of course I did. You seem to be arguing against something I didn't say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Bullshit. Welbeck had 82% pass completion rate. Carroll 53% pass completion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Your standards must be different to mine then. Whey, not Ronaldo, but a good performance when given the chance. He controlled the ball, held it up and passed it. He scored one good header from the only chance he had. Not bad IMO. Not bad yes. People are seriously overrating his performances in this tournament though, simply because those around him also offered very little. I'd use the phrase "looked a player" to describe Rooney's performances in Euro 2004, not Carroll's in 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Bullshit. Welbeck had 82% pass completion rate. Carroll 53% pass completion. There you go again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Bullshit. Welbeck had 82% pass completion rate. Carroll 53% pass completion. You need more than just those statistics to go on though. For example, if Carroll chests the ball down amongst 3 Italian defenders, but just fails to get it to a teammate, I would say that was decent play. But it would go down as a failed pass I assume. From watching the game, I thought Carroll did pretty well when he had the chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Fair play to Carroll BTW, looked a player in this tournament. Your standards must be different to mine then. Whey, not Ronaldo, but a good performance when given the chance. He controlled the ball, held it up and passed it. He scored one good header from the only chance he had. Not bad IMO. Not bad yes. People are seriously overrating his performances in this tournament though, simply because those around him also offered very little. I'd use the phrase "looked a player" to describe Rooney's performances in Euro 2004, not Carroll's in 2012. I just meant he looked capable of putting in good performances in international competitive matches. His shite teammates did make me more grateful for any kind of constructive play though, that's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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