Guest Mako Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Interesting. This is what Krul had to say about the incident. "What I actually told him I probably can’t repeat on television because it wasn’t a nice gesture. it was more in the region of 'what a lucky guy he is', but with a bit more venom behind it." In what sense is that sportsmanship? Because I'm assuming (based on the body language and his general nature) that what he means is he congratulated him on a great goal while also calling him a lucky cunt - in the same way most Brits find it impossible to simply complement an opponent and leave it at that. In my experience it's only the Dutch who can understand, and actually correctly imitate, this sort of nuanced approach to congratulating an opponent while at the same time (on the face of it) insulting them. I think Tim's been here long enough to fully understand our ways and deploy it correctly in this context, and clearly Jermaine wouldn't misunderstand it in the way some other foreign players might have. Obviously we can't be sure without clarification of the precise words used, but I seriously doubt that this comment was meant to clarify that all he said to Jermaine that he was just a lucky cunt, period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mako Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'd much rather see a mad Jens Lehman response like Henry mentioned pinning f***ers to the wall demanding more than this slap back smile bull s***. How do you know he didn't do both? If it's true the comment was closer to a congratulation through gritted teeth, then how is it implausible that a minute later he wouldn't be kicking off in the dressing room at the abject performance he'd just witnessed from the ten men in front of him? Do people seriously need to see him running down the tunnel punching the wall, kicking drinks bottles over and generally looking like a mad man, before they will believe he wasn't upset? And more to the point, haven't people seen enough examples (including from yesterday's opponents in the not too distant past) to realise that perhaps being the guy with the most 'passion' for the cause isn't the be all and end all of success in modern football management. If Krull lacked passion today, and it's a big if, I'd be more inclined to place blame for that on the fact there isn't really anything else left to play for this season bar pride and place money (which as was said can easily affect your performance or motivation without you even being consciously aware of it), rather than any deficiencies in the core members of our team. Even worse - it could be down to the fact the general direction and theme of Ashley's reign hardly inspires players to go the extra mile for the cause (unless they think they're in the shop window). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's the derby. We lost. He and everyone else played like s***. Nobody is safe from criticism. Krul and any other player who has played the past 5 derbies that have given Sunderland 15 points and maybe 1 or 2 seasons of safety in the Premier League are all worthy of being criticized. THEY COULD HAVE SENT THEM DOWN 2 SEASONS ON - and they opened the gates and didn't turn up like fucking cowards man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's something he shouldn't have done, but it's being blown up too much. Bigger issues await. This. I can see why it has left a bad taste and upset people but at worst Krul coming across as more happy-go-lucky than he should at that point is a symptom rather than root cause of the club's problems and I don't see the point in slaughtering him for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If we're talking about acts from members of the club that p*ssed me off, this is nowhere near as bad as say when Shearer was laughing along with The Kop from the touchline as they were singing the Match of the Day theme song while we were pitifully rolling over on our way to relegation. Doesn't mean he doesn't care, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 People saying its not a big deal or missing the point. It's only a little thing but it is a microcosm that defines the current state of the club. Thats a player thats been with the club a decade, one of our most senior and symbolic characters, congratulating the opposing striker for banging one past him in a f***ing derby. It's ludicrous. Totally agree. People may see it as trivial, imo it was shameful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I can't quite believe that genuine fans are in any way upset by this at all, or are somehow trying to portray it as indicative of a wider problem with the player or the team. Krul is one of our best players, one with true class and ability. You need both hands, both feet, and a few of your mates, to count the number of times he's made crucial saves in matches. And he's just about the only player who is blameless for this result. Lack of passion/commitment? This guy has been here ten years, which is self-evidently a measure of his commitment to this club in this day and age when other players here and elsewhere haven't even bothered to stick around for longer than their breakout season. And if you don't believe your own eyes when seeing how he reacts in games, I'm inclined to believe Carver when he said post-match, he's the guy who is most likely to be the one tearing strips off the others in the dressing room when things aren't going well. Krul's obviously not here for the money (he could get a better paid contract even in the Championship, let alone if a 'top' club came in for him). And you can hardly blame him for any real or perceived lack of form/desire *if* that is down to him not having any pressure on his place - that's on the management. I for one salute Krul for staying here so long, despite the fact it must have dawned on him long ago that Ashley's NUFC isn't really the place you need to be if you aspire to be the best keeper in the world. The only reason this is a story is because of so called pundits like Carragher and Danny Murphy made it a 'talking point', people who quite clearly don't know the first thing about Tim Krul or NUFC. Add to that list the hapless Steve "It has no place in a wear-Tyne Derby" Ryder. What a knobhead. So Carra wouldn't do that in a match? So f***ing what. Do people think it's in any doubt which player out of Carra and Krul most footballers actually respect as a person? And if Krul was in the Liverpool team that won the Champions League while Carra was simply an NUFC player for ten years, do you think there'd be any doubt which one most footballers, pundits and fans would consider was the better footballer? This gesture was nothing more than good sportsmanship, which may or may not have had a p*ss-taking element to it (and it makes no difference to me if it did or didn't). Anyone who tells you that passion for your club is incompatible with this sort of thing, is probably the sort of fan who wants NUFC to be a classless club like one of the Old Firm, where football long ago ceased to be a game and instead morphed into (or always was) something far more disturbing. I never want my club to be the sort of institution where the only thing that matters is stuffing the opposition, and taking our ball home when it doesn't go our way. I want my club to be better than that. And I think it already is better than that. So I proudly say here and know, thank you to Tim for being a proper sportsman. I hope for NUFC's sake he pays absolutely no mind to this sort of criticism - and thankfully it appears he did not. Well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Too bad every subsequent post of his has been a car crash since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Not too arsed about it but nonetheless it was quite irritating to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Spot on by Carragher http://dailym.ai/1OkpKzg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Not too bothered about it only because there's bigger things to worry about but it just goes to underline the total lack of professionalism and the general couldn't care less attitude running throughout the squad. Imagine the likes of Roy Keane or Tony Adams congratulating an opposition player for scoring a goal against them in any game let alone a derby. It just wouldn't happen. As a side note it's been sad to see the decline of Krul over the years. He was better as a 17 year old 10 years ago than he is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nah. Krul was a promising but pretty poor keeper up until 2010-11 when he started getting regular PL games. I still remember an absolute goalkeeping horror show against Huddersfield in 2009. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Only saw one replay but would it be too harsh to say he should have done better on the first? Did it loop over him? Was pretty hard to tell from the replay I saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Only saw one replay but would it be too harsh to say he should have done better on the first? Did it loop over him? Was pretty hard to tell from the replay I saw. Thought that myself at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Christ, he's fucking rubbish now like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Christ, he's fucking rubbish now like. So is Tiote. Must be what happens if you don't get that move to a real club whilst you're on point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He's starting to reach the same point as Sissoko and Tiote whereby no fucker is going to want to buy him in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Hugely shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Darlow number 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Fucking pathetic. Am done with him as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He's been the worst keeper in the league this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He wants Ashley out too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Awful. Regression is now exponential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 It was so bad that I couldn't help laughing. I'm not sure you could look any more shit even if you were trying to let that in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Terrible goalkeeping man. Disgraceful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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