David28 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He was terrible, but there are entirely plausible reasons for that. In the form of his life before the game, consistently our best player and then gets dropped as soon as possible. All the confidence he'd been playing with will have been demolished Exactly what I was thinking during the game today. Confidence was shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Certainly seemed very harsh dropping him. Should've been tried on the right from the start instead of Taylor if Pardew felt he hadn't done enough to displace the two regular central midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. That and the fact we have shite wingers, so it gave him the perfect chance to play all 3, along with Cisse, Ba and Ben Afa as a front 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. That and the fact we have shite wingers, so it gave him the perfect chance to play all 3, along with Cisse, Ba and Ben Afa as a front 3. Even if playing 4-4-2 which is Pardew's favourite formation, Guthrie should have been in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I love Yohan, but he's not been good recently and there was no way he should've come into the team for Guthrie today. Guthrie's been affecting games in a much more positive way than Cabaye recently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Cabaye's different class to Guthrie, and I say that as someone who has always defended Danny against some rather disgusting criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. That and the fact we have shite wingers, so it gave him the perfect chance to play all 3, along with Cisse, Ba and Ben Afa as a front 3. Even if playing 4-4-2 which is Pardew's favourite formation, Guthrie should have been in the team. Aye, but i'd like to see all 3, starting to be the very Mike Bassett is Pardew, mind you Bassett was funny, Pardew is beginning to wind me up with his strange comments and ridiculous team selections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Cabaye's different class to Guthrie, and I say that as someone who has always defended Danny against some rather disgusting criticism. He is; I don't disagree with that. But it doesn't mean that Guthrie's been better recently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Guthrie is clearly a confidence player, being dropped has imo knocked that confidence he had built up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 As good as Guthrie's been recently he's still looked shit defensively and still had bad patches such as the 2nd half at Fulham where he was a liability. Pity to see how bad he looked today as, despite his physical and mental flaws, he usually looks classy on the ball. Wouldn't do it for the mackems game but i think he'd work better alongside Tiote than anyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Even if his run in the team earlier this season it was apparent he shouldn't be starting in a two man midfield. Not enough penetration to partner Tiote and restricts Cabaye too much when he's with him. His last two appearances he's been pushing forward more, but also misplacing a lot more passes. Cabaye is just a much better player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Looked to me like he was saying with his performance, fuck you for not picking me, absolutely dreadful. That is what i thought as well. Looked like he was purposely shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rey Mysterio Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He wants testing after that performance. Poles apart from the good performances he's put in all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Worst game ever. Lets face it though he wasn't alone in being shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Worst game ever. Lets face it though he wasn't alone in being s***. he wasn't, but he was as bad in 30mins as the rest were in 90. did he find a teammate once ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Poor guy, played so well only to be dropped to the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I think I could have played better than him today like. I hope it's not the confidence that's been knocked out of him. I'd obviously much rather have Tiote and Cabaye in the team, but that's not because Guthrie has been poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. That and the fact we have shite wingers, so it gave him the perfect chance to play all 3, along with Cisse, Ba and Ben Afa as a front 3. Is what should of happened. Guthrie deserved the start more than Raylor and Ben Arfa really really REALLY NEEDS a run of games. AP's selection and tactics fucked us today. Today is probably the 1st time i've seriously considered his position. If players need to be consistent then so has AP. If players need to improve then so does AP. Shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. That and the fact we have s**** wingers, so it gave him the perfect chance to play all 3, along with Cisse, Ba and Ben Afa as a front 3. Is what should of happened. Guthrie deserved the start more than Raylor and Ben Arfa really really REALLY NEEDS a run of games. AP's selection and tactics f***ed us today. Today is probably the 1st time i've seriously considered his position. If players need to be consistent then so has AP. If players need to improve then so does AP. Shocking. guthrie gives sod all defensivly and you need to have that if you are playing in a middle 3. we are missing that player to play tiote centrally, cabaye to the roght of him and another for the left of tiote, hopefully that other player is the missing link that would also allow ben arfa to play in the way he should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Showed his true colours today. Shocking player who has had at best 20 good games in 4 seasons..... He's better than Gosling and Perch thought that is like saying who is worse Hitler or Chairman Mao. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 When he's been our best player over a period of games I don't think he's wrong to think that he should be starting. Even ahead of Cabaye A couple of good games doesn't mean he should be expecting to start ahead of Cabaye. It should, considering how Pardew normally does his selection. Remember how long it did take Santon to take the place off Ryan Taylor at LB? Or how long it has taken Pardew to drop Obertan? The opposite happend with Guthrie who, despite playing very well in CM (Spurs game aside), was dropped immediately. Mistake by Pardew and from a man-managing point of view, it's been really poor. That and the fact we have s**** wingers, so it gave him the perfect chance to play all 3, along with Cisse, Ba and Ben Afa as a front 3. Is what should of happened. Guthrie deserved the start more than Raylor and Ben Arfa really really REALLY NEEDS a run of games. AP's selection and tactics f***ed us today. Today is probably the 1st time i've seriously considered his position. If players need to be consistent then so has AP. If players need to improve then so does AP. Shocking. guthrie gives sod all defensivly and you need to have that if you are playing in a middle 3. we are missing that player to play tiote centrally, cabaye to the roght of him and another for the left of tiote, hopefully that other player is the missing link that would also allow ben arfa to play in the way he should. This. 50% of a player is what someone does off the ball. Guthrie is one of the worst players I've ever seen at this. Back to his usual shiteness then today then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Showed his true colours today. Shocking player who has had at best 20 good games in 4 seasons..... He's better than Gosling and Perch thought that is like saying who is worse Hitler or Chairman Mao. Whey! Been waiting for this post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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