SEMTEX Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 its not meant to be narrow. I'm just too important to spend my time tweaking that shit. HBA and Jonas would be wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 its not meant to be narrow. I'm just too important to spend my time tweaking that shit. HBA and Jonas would be wide. The other full back (not playing behind Jonas) would have a hell of a lot of work one, hope it's Santon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Exciting debut from him. I think people are being a bit harsh on him. I'm a big Tiote fan but Tiote was poor, no excuses. We know what Tiote is capable of but he didn't perform and it's very unfair to blame that on Vuckic who had two excellent shots on goal from distance and almost fed a perfect through ball to Ba. I wasn't at the game so maybe I missed all this disappearing that he did. We didn't get mugged on the counter because of Vuckic, we played poorly as a team but I thought he showed moments of class and obvious potential. Vuckic needs games. If Gosling, Guthrie and Cabaye are all ahead of him in the pecking order, then why not send him out on a month's loan to the Championship when they're all fit? He'll get more used to the English game and it's worked well for us a few times in the past with players cutting their teeth at a lower level (Krul, Carroll, Bernard). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Exciting debut from him. I think people are being a bit harsh on him. I'm a big Tiote fan but Tiote was poor, no excuses. We know what Tiote is capable of but he didn't perform and it's very unfair to blame that on Vuckic who had two excellent shots on goal from distance and almost fed a perfect through ball to Ba. I wasn't at the game so maybe I missed all this disappearing that he did. We didn't get mugged on the counter because of Vuckic, we played poorly as a team but I thought he showed moments of class and obvious potential. Vuckic needs games. If Gosling, Guthrie and Cabaye are all ahead of him in the pecking order, then why not send him out on a month's loan to the Championship when they're all fit? He'll get more used to the English game and it's worked well for us a few times in the past with players cutting their teeth at a lower level (Krul, Carroll, Bernard). I don't think people are harsh on him, everyone is excited. The match just showed how much Cabaye means to us even off the ball. the amount of pressure he puts on the opposition is amazing and I think his absence really affected Tiote's perfomance too. Tiote was poor but he was really doing almost all the work in midfield. And that's not harsh on Vuckic, he's just not yet ready to play CM in 4-4-2. Going forward he was great and reminded me of the times of Laurent Robert ie. feeling real excitement when he got in position to shoot. Really hope we would try the suggested formations that include Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Vuckic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 3 at the back in a 3-4-2-1 would accomdate Ben Arfa and Vuckic behind Ba centrally, but we don't have 3 centrebacks I trust. Think Santon and Jonas could both be wingbacks though. Also 3 at the back is possibly a gamble, don't really want to try too experimental formations, generally 3 at the back requires a side full of pace, and we can be slow atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Since pre-season he's looked a phenomenal threat going forward. Really hope he stays around the first-team tbh. Almost got two goals on his first Premiership start. Not bad by anyone's standards. Not the complete performance or anything, but could do well just ahead of a four-man midfield Increasingly high hopes for the guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 The future is certainly bright methinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 If he played in a midfield trio with Cabaye and Tiote, he would have license to do what he's best at. So would the other two, fwiw. I was creaming over a potential triumvirate with Barton, but Vuckic could be even better. Early optimism, i know - but the raw talent is blatantly obvious and he's been good every time i've seen him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 If he played in a midfield trio with Cabaye and Tiote, he would have license to do what he's best at. So would the other two, fwiw. I was creaming over a potential triumvirate with Barton, but Vuckic could be even better. Early optimism, i know - but the raw talent is blatantly obvious and he's been good every time i've seen him. Would love to see him given creative license with YoCabs and Tiote behind him. My hope pre-season was one striker up top, Barfa behind, with Haris coming in if Barfa wasn't an option. Right now, I'd like to see what's been mooted by pretty much everyone since WBA. Vuckic in the hole, Barfa out wide. Would be a fucking dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 If he played in a midfield trio with Cabaye and Tiote, he would have license to do what he's best at. So would the other two, fwiw. I was creaming over a potential triumvirate with Barton, but Vuckic could be even better. Early optimism, i know - but the raw talent is blatantly obvious and he's been good every time i've seen him. Would love to see him given creative license with YoCabs and Tiote behind him. My hope pre-season was one striker up top, Barfa behind, with Haris coming in if Barfa wasn't an option. Right now, I'd like to see what's been mooted by pretty much everyone since WBA. Vuckic in the hole, Barfa out wide. Would be a f***ing dream. so with players like vuckic, ben arfa,marveaux, no real forward option after ba......can anyone else see why we really shouldn't be playing 4-4-2 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 If he played in a midfield trio with Cabaye and Tiote, he would have license to do what he's best at. So would the other two, fwiw. I was creaming over a potential triumvirate with Barton, but Vuckic could be even better. Early optimism, i know - but the raw talent is blatantly obvious and he's been good every time i've seen him. Would love to see him given creative license with YoCabs and Tiote behind him. My hope pre-season was one striker up top, Barfa behind, with Haris coming in if Barfa wasn't an option. Right now, I'd like to see what's been mooted by pretty much everyone since WBA. Vuckic in the hole, Barfa out wide. Would be a fucking dream. seems like there's a consensus on here about that line up, and i can't disagree, would be very exciting. think pardew will go with something far more conservative though, ie obertan starting. still should be enough to beat bolton, they're absolute wank this season and their game against blackburn was one of the worst i've seen at prem level in a while in terms of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 If he played in a midfield trio with Cabaye and Tiote, he would have license to do what he's best at. So would the other two, fwiw. I was creaming over a potential triumvirate with Barton, but Vuckic could be even better. Early optimism, i know - but the raw talent is blatantly obvious and he's been good every time i've seen him. Would love to see him given creative license with YoCabs and Tiote behind him. My hope pre-season was one striker up top, Barfa behind, with Haris coming in if Barfa wasn't an option. Right now, I'd like to see what's been mooted by pretty much everyone since WBA. Vuckic in the hole, Barfa out wide. Would be a f***ing dream. so with players like vuckic, ben arfa,marveaux, no real forward option after ba......can anyone else see why we really shouldn't be playing 4-4-2 ? Best is a good pro. And Obertan needs practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 If he played in a midfield trio with Cabaye and Tiote, he would have license to do what he's best at. So would the other two, fwiw. I was creaming over a potential triumvirate with Barton, but Vuckic could be even better. Early optimism, i know - but the raw talent is blatantly obvious and he's been good every time i've seen him. Would love to see him given creative license with YoCabs and Tiote behind him. My hope pre-season was one striker up top, Barfa behind, with Haris coming in if Barfa wasn't an option. Right now, I'd like to see what's been mooted by pretty much everyone since WBA. Vuckic in the hole, Barfa out wide. Would be a f***ing dream. so with players like vuckic, ben arfa,marveaux, no real forward option after ba......can anyone else see why we really shouldn't be playing 4-4-2 ? Best is a good pro. And Obertan needs practice. best is at best a best sort of squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Agree completely, try telling Pardew that. Now is as good a time as any to shake things up, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Agree completely, try telling Pardew that. Now is as good a time as any to shake things up, imo. it shouldn't be a shaking up, it was bloody obvious, especially at home that with our personnel 4-4-2 wasn't the way to get the best use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 it shouldn't be a shaking up, it was bloody obvious, especially at home that with our personnel 4-4-2 wasn't the way to get the best use. I couldn't care less about formations, I would love to see us have a team of players who don't stick rigidly to any of them and just adapt to a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 it shouldn't be a shaking up, it was bloody obvious, especially at home that with our personnel 4-4-2 wasn't the way to get the best use. I couldn't care less about formations, I would love to see us have a team of players who don't stick rigidly to any of them and just adapt to a game. What a dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 What a dream. It is a dream and I think we do have players who could do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 it shouldn't be a shaking up, it was bloody obvious, especially at home that with our personnel 4-4-2 wasn't the way to get the best use. I couldn't care less about formations, I would love to see us have a team of players who don't stick rigidly to any of them and just adapt to a game. how long have i been going on about that ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 it shouldn't be a shaking up, it was bloody obvious, especially at home that with our personnel 4-4-2 wasn't the way to get the best use. I couldn't care less about formations, I would love to see us have a team of players who don't stick rigidly to any of them and just adapt to a game. how long have i been going on about that ? All we need is: Krul Simpson Taylor Colo Santon Tiote Cabaye Four More People Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I bet Pardew has mulled this one over a lot the past few days. I remember the last time a manager did pretty much exactly what everyone on here wanted...we lost 3-0 at Derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 A simpler solution would be (from right to left): Jonas Cabaye Tiote Ben Arfa Vuckic Ba This will never happen though due to the Ben Arfa-wing thing. I can dream..... would love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I bet Pardew has mulled this one over a lot the past few days. I remember the last time a manager did pretty much exactly what everyone on here wanted...we lost 3-0 at Derby. Yep remember that vividly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Wondergoal for Haris tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Mon Haris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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