Should we get promoted who could we realistically get as manager in 2010/2011?

[Guest jonlane86]

Hughes is the only option as far as this cats concerned.

 

The thread is who could we realistically get as a manager in 2010/2011.  Even if he did want to come can you honestly see Mike paying those wages out when he can probs get Coppell/Curbs for half the price?

[Guest jonlane86]

He talks bollocks in his interviews man.

 

He's all 'hopeful on Beckford/Moses' and 'it's a tough place to go'. He's got totally the wrong attitude.

 

Aye, cos saying that he wasn't hoping to sign the lad, and we'll f*** all the other teams in their faces would be sensible.

 

[Guest Chris P]

There's only one chrissy hughton, one chrissy hughton walking  along singing.........................

[Superior Acuña]

Hughes is the only option as far as this cats concerned.

 

[TRon]

Hughton inherited the best squad and best supported team in the division. He’s also hasn’t had to stick his neck out in the transfer market - supporters don’t expect much from free transfers and bargain basement signings. And expectations were low at the start of the season. In short the pressure has been off, and it’s how managers respond to pressure that ultimately separates the good from the bad.

 

He’s done a decent job but the real test of his management is still to come. It’ll be interesting to see how he deals with performance against Cardiff, where the commonly held view that we’d better without two defensive plodders in CM was vindicated. Does he have the balls to drop Nolan or Smith on a regular basis, and will the much vaunted team spirit remain intact if he does?

 

 

That's just it, there is a further test to come for Hughton in the premier, but no one really knows how he will handle it until we get there, yet there is a general consensus that he will fail or that a replacement is going to do a better job. On the sort of contract that Ashley will offer I'd be surprised if there are many candidates, and even if there were they would need decent funds. Which as we have seen with Steve Bruce, doesn't guarantee results in any case.

[Yorkie]

The only thing that Hughton's got in his 'management locker' is his personality. This will work effectively if you've got a 'group of lads' who are professional and abide by him. There's no real wankers from a footballing perspective; Carroll's the only one who's attitude has been questionable and that's been evident in his performances. The fact of the matter is, the whole squad connects with Hughton - he's obviously a very good coach and an approachable one too - and the squad like him. The players in question also happen to be the best ones in the division - that's the kicker. It's a magical, flawless, concoction.

 

If we had the best players in the Premier League, who also conformed to his nicey-nicey attitude, we'd probably win that division too. In reality, we're actually gonna have one of the worst groups of players in the Premier League; and whilst this is all very obvious - it's basically just highlighting the things Hughton needs to prove if he's gonna be at all capable in the top division.

 

 

/ Motivation

- Drag the lads up when in a rut.

 

/ Get it right in the transfer market

- Show that he can scrape around the bargain bucket and unearth some gems.

- Get in players that will also conform to this nicey-nicey attitude. Bring in bastards, he'll struggle, and the whole squad will be affected.

 

/ Improve his tactical awareness

- Simple as really. All of the above works but there are still going to be the events of injuries to key players, and times on matchday where he has to change it - at the right time, with the right switch, with the right personnel. At the moment he's blown hot and cold with this, which is a massive concern - since we do have a squad that are streets ahead of the rest. You'd think it would be near impossible to get some things wrong, but he has. It'll get shown up immediately in the Premier League.

 

 

That's what Hughton's got to do if we're gonna survive next year. Unfortunately he's got it extremely hard with regards to the transfer market, especially being a new manager, since Ashley's such a tight-arse. With a bit of luck Ashley will chuck £10m at the squad in the summer but it's not going to happen, is it. With regards to his man-management, it's working at the moment but it's the sort that lies on such a knife-edge. Exactly as Souness' did (which is the complete opposite, obviously, but would have a very similar negative effect). If he brings in some proper cunts then he'll have shot himself in the foot.

 

He's already half-proved he can do the first point - the motivation thing. We looked shot to shit after Forest and Scunthorpe, but we're 15 games unbeaten since then. We've also looked pretty iffy over Christmas but we appear to have pulled ourselves together here aswell. Obviously, we've got the best squad in the league so that will have helped massively - hence 'half-proved'. He hasn't shown he can do it with an inferior squad yet.

 

Just an extra point: it's pointless looking at Hughton's six or seven games he's already had in the league cos they were with mis-matched squads who were already down and out. It's irrelevant.

 

That's the situation we're looking at with Hughton. I'm not saying he has to be Alex Ferguson to keep us up next year. I'm just saying he needs to improve those things to a respectable standard, and we'll be okay next season. Whether he's a good manager long-term is a completely different issue, as in truth i'm not even convinced he can achieve all of the above.

[Alberto2005]

Appointing Hughes wouldn't be a massive upgrade.

[cubaricho]

If we end up with Hughes I will fucking vomit.  Would rather get an unknown quantity than Hughes to be honest.

[Ameritoon]

Hughton is clearly a firm believer in not criticising the players in public, and that often makes his interviews a bit bland. Providing he's able to give them a rollocking where it matters, I'm not too bothered.

 

It was interesting that our best result of the season followed that dire performance against Leicester, and rumours that Hughton had had a go at the team in the dressing room.

 

I agree with this. At first Hughton's nothing interviews used to seriously piss me off but He's definitely grown into the role and for me he's handling them very well now, far more assured and he looks like an intelligent bloke. It's easy to win cheap points with soundbites like Kinnear but it doesn't generally work out long term. I think Shearer was guilty of this as well and it showed in that performance against Villa where we went down spinelessly.

 

I think he is deliberately boring TBH. He tries to keep everything low key and un-dramatic.

 

You could argue that he is just a boring guy but i noticed him on the touchline screaming at his strikers to close down the ball despite being 5-1 up. This doesn't suggest he is the weak man some might think.

 

I also agree with Yorkies point that his transfers in the summer would have a huge baring on his time here.

 

I used to be kind of mystified as to what kind of person he was. He never let anything out, as the seasons gone he's definitely improved in the interview process, still doesn't call anyone out, but makes the interviews interesting enough to watch. Certainly seems to be showing more emotion on the touchline now, plus, apparently he's a socialist.

[Alberto2005]

He's doing quite well, but he lets himself down with cautious tactics and player selection. I wouldn't have any qualms with him been our manager when we go up, but I'd be concerned about his limited tactics.

[Guest Pie]

He's doing quite well, but he lets himself down with cautious tactics and player selection. I wouldn't have any qualms with him been our manager when we go up, but I'd be concerned about his limited tactics.

I would replace him immediately. There have been too many games where we have relied on wearing teams down this season rather than making it happen. We'll come straight back down.

[BottledDog]

He's doing quite well, but he lets himself down with cautious tactics and player selection. I wouldn't have any qualms with him been our manager when we go up, but I'd be concerned about his limited tactics.

I would replace him immediately. There have been too many games where we have relied on wearing teams down this season rather than making it happen. We'll come straight back down.

 

The chances of the club coming strait back down would be doubled by fucking the backroom staff around again by bringing in Paul fucking Jewel, Bruce, or even Hughes in my opinion.

[Yorkie]

Bruce or Hughes would get us mid-table in my opinion. They'd bring staff with them.

[Guest dover]

Who the fuck put Tony Adams in that list 

[TRon]

Bruce or Hughes would get us mid-table in my opinion. They'd bring staff with them.

 

Hughes is the only decent option I've heard mentioned so far, and I have my doubts about him as well. Curbishley was the other one but the money he wasted on the likes of Dyer and Lljundberg was scandalous. West ham could end up in deep shit because of his reckless signings. That's why I'd rather sit tight and see what Hughton does next season before making any appointment.

[BottledDog]

The only thing that Hughton's got in his 'management locker' is his personality.

 

What utter tosh.

 

/ Get it right in the transfer market

   - Get in players that will also conform to this nicey-nicey attitude. Bring in bastards, he'll struggle, and the whole squad will be affected.

 

 

Again, what? He has worked with what he has had, and I don't for one minute think that this squad just 'a much nicer bunch of players than the average club'. The whole reason the squad is working is because he has dealt with players like Barton and Carrol and whoever you feel are bastards one on one, and got everyone pulling together.

 

If we had the best players in the Premier League, who also conformed to his nicey-nicey attitude, we'd probably win that division too. In reality, we're actually gonna have one of the worst groups of players in the Premier League; and whilst this is all very obvious - it's basically just highlighting the things Hughton needs to prove if he's gonna be at all capable in the top division.

 

The whole point of managing a team is getting those players working together and playing as well as they can. That makes no odds whether they are the best squad in the league or the worst, in the Premiership, or the Championship, if he can do that, he will have done his job.

As for this nicey-nicey attitude (besides the fact that seems an extraordinary thing to attack him on), it is quite clear that away from the cameras, he can rollock with the best of them.

 

/probably more effectively if the players actually respect and like the bloke.

[Yorkie]

There's a 'players committee' ffs. What self-respecting manager with a hard-line would allow anything like that to actually happen at his club with his squad? Nolan's said on countless occassions that - in pre-season - the players sat down together, asked who wanted to go, who wanted to stay. To the players' credit, the ones that stayed have kept their word, knuckled down, been very professional and got us top. Now i'm not saying Hughton has nothing to do with that - but he's only maintained it. Had we not have been able to sell some of the cunts whose attitudes took us down last season, the squad be in a mess.

 

His attitude - and this farcical 'players committee' - has, bizarrely, actually worked. For him and for the squad, cos all anyone cares about this season is getting back to the PL. And like i say - it's worked mainly cos we've got, by far, the best players in the division.

[BottledDog]

Bruce or Hughes would get us mid-table in my opinion. They'd bring staff with them.

 

To be honest, while Hughes and Bruce are ex-players with more experience in the role (and arguably the better of the possibles out there), I just can't get too excited by them. At a time when we seem to be heading in the right direction with a good group of staff at most levels, forgive me for wishing to avoid yet another period of upheaval at the club.

 

[Guest icemanblue]

There's a 'players committee' ffs. What self-respecting manager with a hard-line would allow anything like that to actually happen at his club with his squad? Nolan's said on countless occassions that - in pre-season - the players sat down together, asked who wanted to go, who wanted to stay. To the players' credit, the ones that stayed have kept their word, knuckled down, been very professional and got us top. Now i'm not saying Hughton has nothing to do with that - but he's only maintained it. Had we not have been able to sell some of the cunts whose attitudes took us down last season, the squad be in a mess.

 

His attitude - and this farcical 'players committee' - has, bizarrely, actually worked. For him and for the squad, cos all anyone cares about this season is getting back to the PL. And like i say - it's worked mainly cos we've got, by far, the best players in the division.

 

Doesn't the England squad have a players committee? Then again, what does that Capello know?

[Yorkie]

Bruce or Hughes would get us mid-table in my opinion. They'd bring staff with them.

 

To be honest, while Hughes and Bruce are ex-players with more experience in the role (and arguably the better of the possibles out there), I just can't get too excited by them. At a time when we seem to be heading in the right direction with a good group of staff at most levels, forgive me for wishing to avoid yet another period of upheaval at the club.

 

 

I don't disagree with you in some respects. You've highlighted the pro-points there of keeping Hughton. He might do alright, we look like we might be heading in the direction, and you'd think another upheaval would do no good.

 

But it's all ifs and - whilst you're obviously gonna disagree with me here - Hughton, at the moment, is clearly limited when it comes to matchdays and there's an unnerving idea that - by keeping him - we'd just be delaying the inevitable. Worst case scenario (and not too unlikely) is that he'll be gone by Christmas and available options like Hughes will have been snapped up.

[Pilko]

His attitude - and this farcical 'players committee' - has, bizarrely, actually worked. For him and for the squad, cos all anyone cares about this season is getting back to the PL. And like i say - it's worked mainly cos we've got, by far, the best players in the division.

 

Attributing the players committee to just Hughton is bollocks imo, as we had one when Allardyce was here. I'm sure it consisted of Harper, Given, Milner, Geremi and Butt.

[Yorkie]

And that clearly worked out a treat.

[Pilko]

And that clearly worked out a treat.

 

I'm not saying it did work, that last post just seemed like a bit of an attack on Hughton. How do we know that other clubs don't have player committees? It's a good idea if done properly and the manager is aware of it and happy with its existance imo.

[Ronaldo]

It most certainly isn't a good idea when the committee in question consists of 2 fundamentally bad footballers.

[Yorkie]

Well aye, i see your point Pilko - and maybe i'm being harsh on him there. I'd be willing to retract that, so to speak - cos you and Inochi both make good points.

 

All i'm saying is that i stand by the first line of that big post i made - that as a manager - all he's got is his personality. He's probably a very good coach cos he's worked at established Premier League clubs in that department, but great coaches don't make great managers. He's made a promising start in the transfer market but the jury's certainly still out - certainly as far as the top league goes.

 

He motivates, he keeps the squad sticking together, he boosts morale - he's also made some good signings. That's what he's 'excelled' in this season in my opinion, and when you tie it to the fact that we've got the best players in the league - it's worked an absolute treat.

 

He has to improve his tactical awareness and general matchday activities if he's gonna keep us up next year. And transform bargain-bucket-Championship signings in to bargain-bucket-Premiership signings. That's what i said in my main post and i still think that's true.