r0cafella Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nobody said: With this new proposed model, we would have (at best) played in the lowest European club competition this season, and wouldn't have been able to make it to the top league for another two seasons, at best. That would have only been possible if we made the final in each European competition both seasons. It's a closed shop at the top, they just try to hide it. Is that confirmed? I take it the make up of the top leagues at formation will be decided by the them as well? and promotion and relegation within the system is based up on performance in the super league and not domestic competition? Basically a total decoupling? if so it’s a massive red flag and hard pass. Nothing has changed the revenue generated by those clubs would be corrosive as well would decimate domestic competition with FFP being a thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 They've complained FIFA and UEFA have stifled competition and then created a "closed" league strangling competition?!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, NG32 said: They've complained FIFA and UEFA have stifled competition and then created a "closed" league strangling competition?!?! Both are true the whole thing is so twisted. The only thing that is true is the big clubs loathe competition because it threatens the bottom line and that to them is intolerable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Is that confirmed? I take it the make up of the top leagues at formation will be decided by the them as well? and promotion and relegation within the system is based up on performance in the super league and not domestic competition? Basically a total decoupling? if so it’s a massive red flag and hard pass. Nothing has changed the revenue generated by those clubs would be corrosive as well would decimate domestic competition with FFP being a thing Yep, that’s how they described it on the radio. Effectively one team relegated from the top division per season to the next tier - the Reals and Barcas of the world making the assumption it won’t be them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Yep, that’s how they described it on the radio. Effectively one team relegated from the top division per season to the next tier - the Reals and Barcas of the world making the assumption it won’t be them Aye, total closed shop and infinite revenue for them big clubs. It’s a total stitch up then. Qualification has to be based on domestic league performance, anything else is ruinous to football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Is that confirmed? I take it the make up of the top leagues at formation will be decided by the them as well? and promotion and relegation within the system is based up on performance in the super league and not domestic competition? Basically a total decoupling? if so it’s a massive red flag and hard pass. Nothing has changed the revenue generated by those clubs would be corrosive as well would decimate domestic competition with FFP being a thing Aye, in their proposal two teams get relegated and promoted from each of the top two tiers every year. 20 out of 32 clubs from the bottom tier gets relegated each season. On top of it becoming pretty much a closed shop, it also killa off most interest in the domestic leagues, as out 4th place finish last season would have meant nowt. Sure, there would still be a fight for the title, but things like top 4/top6 and possibly rewards for cup competetions becomes meaningless. It's an absolute shit show, only there for the likes of Real Madrid and Barca to ensure they get their top dollars every season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Both are true the whole thing is so twisted. The only thing that is true is the big clubs loathe competition because it threatens the bottom line and that to them is intolerable. Yep, The thing that allows them to be a "big club" is their domestic league . In a super league, will their fans be happy with potentially being bottom half or rock bottom every season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Is that confirmed? I take it the make up of the top leagues at formation will be decided by the them as well? and promotion and relegation within the system is based up on performance in the super league and not domestic competition? Basically a total decoupling? if so it’s a massive red flag and hard pass. Nothing has changed the revenue generated by those clubs would be corrosive as well would decimate domestic competition with FFP being a thing Sounds like what the yanks have for their leagues then except a different ref. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 For all the complaining about too many games from the top clubs....this ESL add's an extra 6 minimum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, Aiston said: For all the complaining about too many games from the top clubs....this ESL add's an extra 6 minimum Very true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 So what happens if you finish bottom of the 'blue' league and what happens if you win the domestic league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, El Prontonise said: Sounds like what the yanks have for their leagues then except a different ref. US sports have salary caps, and other weird stuff like worst performing clubs getting first choice in drafts etc The home of red-in-tooth-and-claw is oddly egalitarian with this, but also operates closed-shop franchise models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: US sports have salary caps, and other weird stuff like worst performing clubs getting first choice in drafts etc The home of red-in-tooth-and-claw is oddly egalitarian with this, but also operates closed-shop franchise models. They are proposing salary caps with the super league. Edited December 21, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, ScottishMagpie said: So what happens if you finish bottom of the 'blue' league and what happens if you win the domestic league? You go into a new European Super Cup that you have to win 3 times before being allowed into the Super Nonce League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Have they said how they even choose the teams to start it yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Geordie said: If Newcastle went to join these greedy cunts - it would be me done as well. Let the likes of Barca, Real, Juve, Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, PSG fuck off to do their own thing. Newcastle stay put. Disagree. I don't see any need for a Euro Super League, we already have one called the Champions League. But if it's inevitable then we need to be part of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think officially it’s Barca and real right? They are the ones desperate for it. so much for the socios and fan owned clubs eh? Anything involving that complete shit bag of a human being, Florentino Perez, is a bad idea. The reason I know there is no God is the fact that not only does Perez exist but he wallows in money and power. In a just world he’d be riddled by cancer, AIDS and every other ailment known to man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Honestly the new champions league format is gonna be such a turn off for fans eventually. Football will eventually eat itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Aye, total closed shop and infinite revenue for them big clubs. It’s a total stitch up then. Qualification has to be based on domestic league performance, anything else is ruinous to football. Domestic performance being (basically) the only way to qualify, combined with FFP, is exactly the issue with UEFA competitions. Edited December 21, 2023 by kocunar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, ScottishMagpie said: So what happens if you finish bottom of the 'blue' league and what happens if you win the domestic league? Unclear, but no doubt if it were possible then several English clubs would already be in the top tier. The PL will boot anyone out who joins anyway, so the whole thing is moot. UEFA won’t abolish their competitions, and the FA holds the gift of UEFA qualifications. So a Super League, if it existed, would likely exist parallel to UEFA Comps, with none of those in the Super League in UEFA comps and potentially not in their domestic leagues. Ive never heard of a more obvious non-starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: They are proposing salary caps with the super league. So they’ve went to the European Court for anti-competitive practices to enact anti-competitive practices? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, kocunar said: Domestic performance being (basically) the only way to qualify is exactly the issue with UEFA competitions. Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 All up for this, sack of the CL and join. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 14 games minimum. Okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Disagree. I don't see any need for a Euro Super League, we already have one called the Champions League. But if it's inevitable then we need to be part of it. If it meant breaking away from English football (which it would), you’d still be ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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