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Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old  manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

 

Doubt there's a club in England where that's not happening tbh. Nature of the beast.

 

The rest of your post is a load of nonsense, he got us promoted with 100+ points. Stuff about "club of our size" is just arrogance based on nothing. He earned the job unlike a lot of Premier League managers who get given them as soon as they've hung their boots up because of what their name is or who they played for.

 

Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread.  I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record?

 

Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate.

 

Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on.

 

Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage  and that we are abig club.

 

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I thought  Tiote needed to come off.  He was starting to give away possession too easily.  He was making nice passes in the first half but started feeling the heat after the half when they closed him down more.  He needs more time to acclimate to the Premiership, IMO.  I got the impression that Hughton felt obligated to bring in Jonas to play in his normal position.  The move that Hughton has to make, and it's one that has already been discussed, is he needs to get Jonas and HBA on the pitch together.  Playing Jonas on the left wing with HBA in the hole behind Carroll is the way to go.  

 

Jonas and HBA can really disrupt a defense.  They can bend it about and play off each other.  They can take pressure off of Routledge so he can cross to Carroll or cut inside.  Enrique can cross from the left.  They can also overlap on Carroll and be counter targets for Barton and Tiote from deeper positions.  With those two running around the attack can strike from left, right or middle, in the air or on the deck and that would make them very difficult to defend.  It would also allow the club to target specific areas of weakness of their opponent and punish them.

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I thought  Tiote needed to come off.  He was starting to give away possession too easily.  He was making nice passes in the first half but started feeling the heat after the half when they closed him down more.  He needs more time to acclimate to the Premiership, IMO.  I got the impression that Hughton felt obligated to bring in Jonas to play in his normal position.  The move that Hughton has to make, and it's one that has already been discussed, is he needs to get Jonas and HBA on the pitch together.  Playing Jonas on the left wing with HBA in the hole behind Carroll is the way to go.  

 

Jonas and HBA can really disrupt a defense.  They can bend it about and play off each other.  They can take pressure off of Routledge so he can cross to Carroll or cut inside.  Enrique can cross from the left.  They can also overlap on Carroll and be counter targets for Barton and Tiote from deeper positions.  With those two running around the attack can strike from left, right or middle, in the air or on the deck and that would make them very difficult to defend.  It would also allow the club to target specific areas of weakness of their opponent and punish them.

 

Dont agree at all with the Tiote part, however Im with you on the HBA and Jonas part.

 

I think taking Tiote was a mistake since we had no one to play in that position. If he was to be taken off than Smith had to go in. We needed someone who could win possesion and just pass it fast. Nolan didn't contribute except a goal.

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I thought  Tiote needed to come off.  He was starting to give away possession too easily.  He was making nice passes in the first half but started feeling the heat after the half when they closed him down more.  He needs more time to acclimate to the Premiership, IMO.  I got the impression that Hughton felt obligated to bring in Jonas to play in his normal position.  The move that Hughton has to make, and it's one that has already been discussed, is he needs to get Jonas and HBA on the pitch together.  Playing Jonas on the left wing with HBA in the hole behind Carroll is the way to go.  

 

Jonas and HBA can really disrupt a defense.  They can bend it about and play off each other.  They can take pressure off of Routledge so he can cross to Carroll or cut inside.  Enrique can cross from the left.  They can also overlap on Carroll and be counter targets for Barton and Tiote from deeper positions.  With those two running around the attack can strike from left, right or middle, in the air or on the deck and that would make them very difficult to defend.  It would also allow the club to target specific areas of weakness of their opponent and punish them.

 

Absolutely, the only way to go is this.

 

Hopefully Hughton will see it before too long... the bullet needs to be bitten ASAP.

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The problem is Carroll, Nolan, Routledge and Perch are not PL quality.

 

Carroll surely is? He's only going to get better as well.

 

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old  manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

 

Who should you have in charge instead? Of course people question the manager's tactics. That's what fans do and go to Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Accrington and Sunderland forums and you'll see it is exactly the same. With this game, where I and seemingly everyone else thought Hughton got it wrong, it is up to him to respond, and respond swiftly.

 

Also, home results this season would indicate you've had 2 poor results, not that you "haven't improved at all". Would the team from 2 years ago have come to Goodison and outplay a top 6 aiming team for large parts, for example?

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I thought  Tiote needed to come off.  He was starting to give away possession too easily.  He was making nice passes in the first half but started feeling the heat after the half when they closed him down more.  He needs more time to acclimate to the Premiership, IMO.  I got the impression that Hughton felt obligated to bring in Jonas to play in his normal position.  The move that Hughton has to make, and it's one that has already been discussed, is he needs to get Jonas and HBA on the pitch together.  Playing Jonas on the left wing with HBA in the hole behind Carroll is the way to go.  

 

Jonas and HBA can really disrupt a defense.  They can bend it about and play off each other.  They can take pressure off of Routledge so he can cross to Carroll or cut inside.  Enrique can cross from the left.  They can also overlap on Carroll and be counter targets for Barton and Tiote from deeper positions.  With those two running around the attack can strike from left, right or middle, in the air or on the deck and that would make them very difficult to defend.  It would also allow the club to target specific areas of weakness of their opponent and punish them.

 

 

Dont agree at all with the Tiote part, however Im with you on the HBA and Jonas part.

 

I think taking Tiote was a mistake since we had no one to play in that position. If he was to be taken off than Smith had to go in. We needed someone who could win possesion and just pass it fast. Nolan didn't contribute except a goal.

 

Yeah, not having a ready replacement for Tiote is a good point.  I guess Smith could have gone in with instructions to win the ball and hoof it forward.  That still might have been better than giving the ball away in the midfield though.  I'm not knocking Tiote mind you, just think he's going to need some games to get up to speed.  He didn't know the opposition or his teammates well enough to adjust to the way they closed him down in the 2nd half, that's all.

 

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The problem is Carroll, Nolan, Routledge and Perch are not PL quality.

 

Carroll surely is? He's only going to get better as well.

 

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old  manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

 

Who should you have in charge instead? Of course people question the manager's tactics. That's what fans do and go to Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Accrington and Sunderland forums and you'll see it is exactly the same. With this game, where I and seemingly everyone else thought Hughton got it wrong, it is up to him to respond, and respond swiftly.

 

Also, home results this season would indicate you've had 2 poor results, not that you "haven't improved at all". Would the team from 2 years ago have come to Goodison and outplay a top 6 aiming team for large parts, for example?

 

2 quotes from a page or two back:

"Like someone said, his loyalty to Nolan could cost us and him badly."

 

"we are going to lose matches....and Hughton will eventually lose his job"

 

Both inferring that Hughton could lose his job soon and there are others I could quote. I don't disagree with those sentiments but it's crazy that people are even writing these things so soon into the season. I haven't checked but I'm sure other fans are not writing this type of stuff. This is because of the simple fact that Hughton did not "earn the right" to manage NUFC at the top level, no one knows what he's going to be like in the top flight but so far it has not been good. To think that this team would have really been up for it after Blackpool and we still got beat of Stoke.

 

If the team from two seasons ago performed like they did at Old Trafford on the opening day then yes I would be confident of beating Everton this season as they will not be top 6, more mid table.

 

With regards to managers available, since the summer we could have got Mark Hughes and Houllier if we showed a little ambition, both miles ahead of Hughton.

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We aren't the first side to be undone by Stoke's "direct" approach and we certainly won't be the last. It is clearly very difficult to play against. They don't know any other way and the only extent to which they have a plan B is bringing on Ricardo Fuller. We all knew what was coming as must Hughton. Ultimately we didn't have the physical presence in our back 4 to handle it - and Jones could have had a hat trick easily.

 

I honestly don't know if we have the players in our squad to deal with the likes of Stoke but Campbell and Saylor would surely offer something in that sort of game in place of Collo and Perch. Hughton was unlucky in that neither were available (apparently Sol had an injury?) but he would have needed some balls to drop Collo who has mostly looked good this season. I'm still in Hughton's camp, he's still learning.  I've always said I think we'll survive but it won't be without a lot of stress and some horrible results.

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Now I'm not eating time for a proper response:

 

Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread.  I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record?

 

Err... Yeah they are. As others have said it's the nature of the beast, fans frequently question the tactics of their team and decisions of their manager. This doesn't mean he hasn't earned it. When Hughton took over it was sink or swim. There were predictions of a second relegation and the potential to stagnate in the Championship but Hughton played a part in turning it round and getting us back into the Premier League in emphatic fashion, in my eyes that alone earns him the right to have a crack at keeping us up.

 

Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate.

 

You mean the squad that got relegated? The squad with arguably the worst midfield in the Premier League? The squad that got taken apart 5-1 by Leyton Orient? A squad rock bottom on confidence having just lurched out of the worst season in the clubs recent history. You can phrase it anyway you want but for Hughton to turn it round so quickly having just had the season we'd had was fantastic.

 

Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on.

 

What's attendance got to with this? Derby County get more through the gates than some Premier League clubs, should they be chasing a higher class of manager too? That comment typifies the typical media stereotype of a Newcastle fan's attitude, some perspective is required. Out of interest who do you propose?

 

Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage  and that we are abig club.

 

Why is this relevant?

 

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Now I'm not eating time for a proper response:

 

Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread.  I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record?

 

Err... Yeah they are. As others have said it's the nature of the beast, fans frequently question the tactics of their team and decisions of their manager. This doesn't mean he hasn't earned it. When Hughton took over it was sink or swim. There were predictions of a second relegation and the potential to stagnate in the Championship but Hughton played a part in turning it round and getting us back into the Premier League in emphatic fashion, in my eyes that alone earns him the right to have a crack at keeping us up.

 

Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate.

 

You mean the squad that got relegated? The squad with arguably the worst midfield in the Premier League? The squad that got taken apart 5-1 by Leyton Orient? A squad rock bottom on confidence having just lurched out of the worst season in the clubs recent history. You can phrase it anyway you want but for Hughton to turn it round so quickly having just had the season we'd had was fantastic.

 

Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on.

 

What's attendance got to with this? Derby County get more through the gates than some Premier League clubs, should they be chasing a higher class of manager too? That comment typifies the typical media stereotype of a Newcastle fan's attitude, some perspective is required. Out of interest who do you propose?

 

Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage  and that we are abig club.

 

Why is this relevant?

 

 

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Now I'm not eating time for a proper response:

 

Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread.  I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record?

 

Err... Yeah they are. As others have said it's the nature of the beast, fans frequently question the tactics of their team and decisions of their manager. This doesn't mean he hasn't earned it. When Hughton took over it was sink or swim. There were predictions of a second relegation and the potential to stagnate in the Championship but Hughton played a part in turning it round and getting us back into the Premier League in emphatic fashion, in my eyes that alone earns him the right to have a crack at keeping us up.

 

Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate.

 

You mean the squad that got relegated? The squad with arguably the worst midfield in the Premier League? The squad that got taken apart 5-1 by Leyton Orient? A squad rock bottom on confidence having just lurched out of the worst season in the clubs recent history. You can phrase it anyway you want but for Hughton to turn it round so quickly having just had the season we'd had was fantastic.

 

Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on.

 

What's attendance got to with this? Derby County get more through the gates than some Premier League clubs, should they be chasing a higher class of manager too? That comment typifies the typical media stereotype of a Newcastle fan's attitude, some perspective is required. Out of interest who do you propose?

 

Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage  and that we are abig club.

 

Why is this relevant?

 

 

See my post above about the nature of the criticism on this thread about Hughton, I posted at 7:42pm.

 

Do you really want to talk about the merits of our squad with regards to Hughton doing a good job? I don't know the exact figure but I would bet we had by far the most expensive squad to have ever been in the Championship, a squad with 2 current Argentinean internationals, three experienced central midfielders,  £4 million-ish left back, England under 21 centre half, Ameobi/Lovenkrands who have a lot of experience of top level football/European football.

 

I don’t think it was fantastic to win the Championship with our team, the Championship is a poor league. If Hughton did a fantastic job, how would describe what Holloway did at Blackpool?

 

Attendance has got everything to do with it, it shows how much money is coming into the club, it shows how  much potential is there if we have a good manager who knows how to build a team without the owner putting money in. It is also an attractive to a potential manager. You quote Derby who may be get 5-10,000 more fans than some premier league teams, we get more 25,000 more than some teams in the league, that what makes us a lot different.

 

With regards to who I would propose, again see my post at 7:42pm. Not fantastic managers but managers who are realistic and could build a platform at Newcastle  for some later to take on. All proven managers.

 

The reason that the last part is relevant is that football is central to lot of people’s lives in Newcastle and as such the most important person at the club, i.e. the manager, should be someone who has managed at the top level, someone who has a proven track record. The club is far too important to too many people to have Hughton in charge.

 

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Now I'm not eating time for a proper response:

 

Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread.  I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record?

 

Err... Yeah they are. As others have said it's the nature of the beast, fans frequently question the tactics of their team and decisions of their manager. This doesn't mean he hasn't earned it. When Hughton took over it was sink or swim. There were predictions of a second relegation and the potential to stagnate in the Championship but Hughton played a part in turning it round and getting us back into the Premier League in emphatic fashion, in my eyes that alone earns him the right to have a crack at keeping us up.

 

Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate.

 

You mean the squad that got relegated? The squad with arguably the worst midfield in the Premier League? The squad that got taken apart 5-1 by Leyton Orient? A squad rock bottom on confidence having just lurched out of the worst season in the clubs recent history. You can phrase it anyway you want but for Hughton to turn it round so quickly having just had the season we'd had was fantastic.

 

Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on.

 

What's attendance got to with this? Derby County get more through the gates than some Premier League clubs, should they be chasing a higher class of manager too? That comment typifies the typical media stereotype of a Newcastle fan's attitude, some perspective is required. Out of interest who do you propose?

 

Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage  and that we are abig club.

 

Why is this relevant?

 

 

See my post above about the nature of the criticism on this thread about Hughton, I posted at 7:42pm.

 

The criticism of Hughton is warrented in term of his poor use of substitutions in my eyes. Doesn't mean I want the bloke sacked, a few quality of Premeir League managers struggle with substitutions ala Moyes. One thing that has impressed me about Hughton is his willingness to learn from his mistakes, in the coming weeks we will see if he's going to rectify the current issues in his management and in the team, bencing Nolan at home being the issue most will point out most.

 

Who says Hughes would have taken the job? There's still a lack of confidence and an element of unpredictability in the Ashley regime. I know I sure wouldn't go near it at this moment in time if I were an abitious manager.

 

Do you really want to talk about the merits of our squad with regards to Hughton doing a good job? I don't know the exact figure but I would bet we had by far the most expensive squad to have ever been in the Championship, a squad with 2 current Argentinean internationals, three experienced central midfielders,  £4 million-ish left back, England under 21 centre half, Ameobi/Lovenkrands who have a lot of experience of top level football/European football.

 

It was less to do with the quality of the squad and more to do with the motivation, confidence and team spirit installed. Especially given the set of circumstances he did it in.

 

I don’t think it was fantastic to win the Championship with our team, the Championship is a poor league. If Hughton did a fantastic job, how would describe what Holloway did at Blackpool?

 

He did a bloody fantastic job.

 

Attendance has got everything to do with it, it shows how much money is coming into the club, it shows how  much potential is there if we have a good manager who knows how to build a team without the owner putting money in. It is also an attractive to a potential manager. You quote Derby who may be get 5-10,000 more fans than some premier league teams, we get more 25,000 more than some teams in the league, that what makes us a lot different.

 

See the quotes above about the attractiveness of the club. The potantial is undoubtedly but then I could reel of a list of clubs in the Championship clubs that have 'potantial', again perspective is required. We're a long way from being one of the big boys. We need to first and foremost establish ourselves in the league and I'm willing to give Hughton a shot at that. There may come a time when he has to go but at the minute I'm fairly confident we'll pick up enough points with him at the helm.

 

With regards to who I would propose, again see my post at 7:42pm. Not fantastic managers but managers who are realistic and could build a platform at Newcastle  for some later to take on. All proven managers.

 

The reason that the last part is relevant is that football is central to lot of people’s lives in Newcastle and as such the most important person at the club, i.e. the manager, should be someone who has managed at the top level, someone who has a proven track record. The club is far too important to too many people to have Hughton in charge.

 

Look where 'proven' managers have got taken before.

 

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''Enrique reveals Hughton fury''

 

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Yep- Just after you give a "Angry" team talk

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Also just to elaboarate on my last point we will need a proven manager at some point in the future but it's far from a necessity at this stage.

 

We are never going to agree but just a few points, I would say now more than ever is the time you want an experienced manager. You can take a chance with either a proven manager/poor team or unproven manager/good team but not an unproven manager/poor team.

 

Again you list Championship teams who have potential but none of them are in our league, nowhere near apart from Leeds. I honestly think Newcastle fans are really suffering some sort of identity crisis, there’s an aversion to thinking big. All you hear on here is “no more trophy signings” with people like Boumsong and Luque in mind completely forgetting “trophy signings” like Ferdinand and Shearer. Also hear stuff like where have proven managers got us? We haven’t really had that many, the only one with a good track record was Robson and his record speaks for itself. Every other proven manager had a long record of being s***, Dalglish being the exception. Finally this thing about living up to the Sky Sports/media stereotype, well I couldn’t give  a toss about them.

 

All I know is that there is a lot of money coming into our club, we have a lot of full paying fans and for that alone we should be doing a lot better than we are. Black and white. I don't fall for all this stuff about the club having no money.

 

Final point is that I don’t think we are that far off the top boys as I think this is the poorest the PL has been since its inception. We’re a long way off top 4 but to get to around 7th would not be too difficult with a good manager and a bit of backing. Indeed my only hope of us staying up is that the league is not that strong.

 

Someone said Hughes hasn’t proven anything but he does have experience of the top flight and did an alright job at Blackburn. Nothing spectacular but a steady job.

 

If not Hughes there are other managers, I can’t imagine many on here choosing Hughton last summer after Shearer did not get the job. Everyone would have opted for other managers, managers that are still out there.

 

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We have improved massively defensively under Hughton.

 

We have still conceded less shots on target than any other team in the premiership. We have conceded the 2nd least number of corners, only Chelsea with less.

 

We are limiting the oppositions to very few chances in general, stoke had a solid 15 min spell. Im sure he'll look at it and see the issues. Overall im quite impressed with how our team has been playing.

 

 

 

 

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We could easily have beaten Stoke, in which case we'd have been 5th, having beaten Everton and Chelsea away in our previous games. There would have been calls for Chris to be given a knighthood.

 

We've been weak at defending set pieces for the last two years, and Stoke are a team practically designed to exploit that. Of the back four, only Williamson consistently gets his head to the ball in those situations, and we rely a lot on Carroll coming back to help. Those two can't be everywhere at once, and yesterday we were caught out.

 

If I have a criticism of Hughton it's that he didn't anticipate that problem by bringing in Campbell, but there again it's not easy to change a winning side. Subbing Ben Arfa and Tiote were okay decisions - Ben Arfa had run out of steam and, as Hughton has said, he preferred to keep Nolan on as a goalscorer - which he is.

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If I have a criticism of Hughton it's that he didn't anticipate that problem by bringing in Campbell, but there again it's not easy to change a winning side.

 

Pretty harsh criticism when you consider that Campbell was out injured.

 

:blush:  Aaah..... I thought I saw him on the subs bench.

 

But in that case, we really can't blame Hughton at all, yeah? He lacked any options.  :coolsmiley:

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