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Are there 20 non-shit clubs in England?


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Some time ago a thread got side-tracked by a debate as to whether Stoke City was a shit club or not. People took one side or another of the debate citing the club's history, their attendence, the "virtues" of their fans, etc.  I got to thinking about whether there were 20 non-shit clubs in England.  That is, 20 clubs that I'd want to see in the top flight.

 

If you could choose the 20 clubs in the Premier League, which one's would you choose and why? 

 

1) Newcastle United

2) Sunderland

3) Manchester United

4) Manchester City

5) Everton

6) Liverpool

7) Leeds United

8) Aston Villa

9) Arsenal

10) Tottenham

11) West Ham United

12) Chelsea

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13) Boro

14) Wolves

15) Norwich

16) Derby

17) Birmingham

18) Sheffield United

19) Stoke City

20) Hull City

 

Personally, I couldn't come up with 20 that I genuinely wanted in the top flight though there were plenty that I wanted to go away--Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn. After 12, I just rounded out the list based on (perceived) attendence.  So I don't think you could have a top flght without some crap clubs in the mix. The best you could hope for is clubs that draw reasonably well, represent different regions, or perserve some derbies. Is it important that all of England is represented? Are derbies important?

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Newcastle

Leeds

Bradford

Forest

Aston Villa

Chelsea

Man Utd

Arsenal

Liverpool

Fulham

Tottenham

Q.P.R

Oldham

Sheff Wed

Southampton

Crystal Palace

Norwich

West Ham

Man City

Sunderland

 

 

Are teams I'd not mind in the Prem for reasons ranging from history to FM.

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I think the sheffield clubs deserve a place or two. My personal list :

1. Newcastle

2. Manure

3. Man city

4. Liverpool

5. Everton

6. Sheff wed

7. Sheff u

9. Chelsea

10. Fulham

11. Arsenal

12. Spuds

13. Nottingham forest

14. Aston villa

15. Wolves

16. Stoke

17. Southampton

18. Ipswich

19. Norwich

20. Leicester

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Newcastle

Sunderland

Leeds

Sheff Wed

Man City

Man Utd

Liverpool

Everton

Villa

Norwich

Forest

Leicester

Tottenham

Arsenal

Chelsea

Fulham

Southampton

Cardiff

Bristol City

 

About all I can muster. Fuck West Ham

 

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if things like virtues of their fans come into it then the likes of shrewsbury and rochdale, stockport,bury and hereford must pick up massive points.

 

 

20 clubs i'd want to see in the top flight....i'd choose 20 clubs whose fans have turned up year after year knowing they were never in for any sort of success.

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1. Newcastle

2. Mackems

3. Man Utd

4. Liverpool

5. Everton

6. Villa

7. Man City

8. Arsenal

9. Chelsea

10. Leeds

11. Spurs

12. Ipswich

13. Forest

14. Fulham

15. Wedensday

16. Sheff Utd

17. Wolves

18. Leicester

19. Derby

20. Southampton

 

Those all strike me as 'proper' football clubs. Can't really explain what I mean by that though.

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I guess you'd have a top lot of (no particular order):

 

Man United

Man City

Arsenal

Tottenham

Chelsea

Arsenal

Newcastle

Liverpool

Everton

Villa

Leeds

Mackems

 

then an interchanging mass of:

 

Forest/Derby/Leicester

Ipswich/Norwich

Blackburn/Burnley/PNE

So'ton/Pompey

WBA/Wolves

Sheff U/Sheff W

Stoke/Boro

West Ham/Fulham/QPR

Plymouth/Birmingham

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1) Newcastle United

2) Sunderland

3) Man Utd

4) Man City

5) Chelsea

6) Arsenal

7) Tottenham

8) Liverpool

9) Everton

10) Aston Villa

11) West Ham

12 Birmingham

13) Fulham

14) West Brom

15) Nottingham Forest

16) Wolves

17) Leeds United

18) Sheffield United

19) Sheffield Wednesday

20) Norwich

 

Easy, just omit most of the shit from the bottom half and fill as appropriate. Could make a case for Preston, Ipswich. Southampton and Leicester as well tbh.

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I think about this a lot, actually. How sad.

 

Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs, Aston Villa, Everton, Man City, West Ham, Leeds, Southampton, Sunderland, Sheff Wed, Nottm Forest, Wolves, West Brom, Derby, Fulham, Ipswich

 

Tried to fit Stoke, Leicester, Blackburn and Bolton but alas, only 20 spots.

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1) Newcastle

2) Mackems

3) Man United

4) Liverpool

5) Arsenal

6) Chelsea

7) Man City

8) Aston Villa

9) Sheffield Wednesday

10) Leeds

11) Portsmouth

12) Everton

13) Nottingham Forest

14) Derby

15) West Ham

16) Ipswich

17) Cardiff

18) Tottenham

19) Rangers

20) Celtic

 

 

All of them are in no real order, apart from us, most of them I can't stand but the history and fans are what gets them in, I've rocked the boat a little by putting the Old firm in there.

 

I'd like to fo fitted Stoke in their for theirs fans really, but I can't honestly say I'd rather have them in there then the teams I have got in there already.

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1. FC Barcelona

2. Real Madrid CF

3. Club Atlético de Madrid

4. Sevilla FC

5. Valencia CF

6. Athletic Club de Bilbao

7. Real Sociedad de San Sebastián

8. Real Club Deportivo Espanyol

9. Real Betis Balompié

10. Real Club Deportivo de La Coruña

11. Real Sporting Club de Gijón

12. Real Zaragoza CF

13. Real Club Celta de Vigo

14. Real Unión de Irún

15. Real Club Deportivo Mallorca

16. Real Valladolid CF

17. Club Atlético Osasuna

18. Real Oviedo CF

19. Real Racing Club de Santander

20. Villarreal CF (they're uppity though http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/avs/avatar_9223.gif)

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1) Newcastle

2) Mackems

3) Man United

4) Liverpool

5) Arsenal

6) Chelsea

7) Man City

8) Aston Villa

9) Sheffield Wednesday

10) Leeds

11) Portsmouth

12) Everton

13) Nottingham Forest

14) Derby

15) West Ham

16) Ipswich

17) Cardiff

18) Tottenham

19) Rangers

20) Celtic

 

 

All of them are in no real order, apart from us, most of them I can't stand but the history and fans are what gets them in, I've rocked the boat a little by putting the Old firm in there.

 

The bell guy swung it for you, didn't he?  :laugh:

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1) Newcastle

2) Mackems

3) Man United

4) Liverpool

5) Arsenal

6) Chelsea

7) Man City

8) Aston Villa

9) Sheffield Wednesday

10) Leeds

11) Portsmouth

12) Everton

13) Nottingham Forest

14) Derby

15) West Ham

16) Ipswich

17) Cardiff

18) Tottenham

19) Rangers

20) Celtic

 

 

All of them are in no real order, apart from us, most of them I can't stand but the history and fans are what gets them in, I've rocked the boat a little by putting the Old firm in there.

 

The bell guy swung it for you, didn't he?  :laugh:

Only 20 thousand fans but can nearly outsing Newcastle and Liverpool fans, that prick with the bell or not thats some damn support.

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1 Man Utd

2 Newcastle

Arsenal

Chelsea

5 Man City

mackems

Everton

Liverpool

Villa

10 Sheff W

Forest

Spurs

Leeds

West Ham

15 Coventry

QPR

Fulham

Southampton

Wimbledon

20 Birmingham

 

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1. Newcastle

2. Man Utd

3. Liverpool

4. Everton

5. Villa

6. Man City

7. Arsenal

8. Chelsea

9. Leeds

10. Spurs

11. Norwich

12. Ipswich

13. Forest

14. Southampton

15. Wednesday

16. Sheff Utd

17. Wolves

18. Birmingham City

19. West Ham

20. Preston NE

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1. Man Utd

2. Liverpool

3. Chelsea

4. Arsenal

5. Tottenham

6. Villa

7. Everton

8. Man City

9. Newcastle United Football Club

10. West Ham

11. Mackems

12. Leicester

13. Forest

14. Leeds

 

No point in listing 6 more as theres nothing differentiating a lot of the teams. I'd be a lot happier with the Stoke, Sheff Wed, Cardiff, Sheff Utd, Norwich, Palace end of thing than the Wigan, Boro, Blackburn, Bolton side empty stadiums.

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