mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Obviously going to be Carlton Cole. despair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 What's so Dowie about that? For a kick off the Erding transfer isn't done, but more importantly he either actively participates in our board meetings or he's based that list on pure press speculation. We've also been told by the press our other striking cadidates are on the continent, but why give that equal weight to the other unfounded rumours when you can have a bit of a moan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 What's so Dowie about that? For a kick off the Erding transfer isn't done, but more importantly he either actively participates in our board meetings or he's based that list on pure press speculation. We've also been told by the press our other striking cadidates are on the continent, but why give that equal weight to the other unfounded rumours when you can have a bit of a moan? he was on about scouting and targets having 7 months to do the work, we "moved" for 2 very well known and highly sought after players from france and have then basically been floundering like a fish out of water since if we were going to operate on such low funds as we evidently are i'd have expected the scouting to turn up some unknowns myself, at least 1 or 2 investments who may or may not make it...assuming that's the business model (buy cheap sell high) as it is we seem to have a bid in for someone pretty average to go with ba ar fuck it i give up, it is just moaning at the end of the day but so we fucking should be moaning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 What's so Dowie about that? For a kick off the Erding transfer isn't done, but more importantly he either actively participates in our board meetings or he's based that list on pure press speculation. We've also been told by the press our other striking cadidates are on the continent, but why give that equal weight to the other unfounded rumours when you can have a bit of a moan? he was on about scouting and targets having 7 months to do the work, we "moved" for 2 very well known and highly sought after players from france and have then basically been floundering like a fish out of water sinceif we were going to operate on such low funds as we evidently are i'd have expected the scouting to turn up some unknowns myself, at least 1 or 2 investments who may or may not make it...assuming that's the business model (buy cheap sell high) as it is we seem to have a bid in for someone pretty average to go with ba ar f*** it i give up, it is just moaning at the end of the day but so we f***ing should be moaning I share your sentiments on the lack of investment, I've complained about it elsewhere but the bit in bold is based on nothing but unfounded speculation, to me it seems like the press haven't a scooby and are subsequently pulling names out of the air. I'll wait to see who, if anyone, we sign before I become disgruntled with our scouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Well this is rather disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 scouting overall is ok, good even; cabaye was a steal (hopefully), abeid, ba and marveaux all good moves but this was about a striker 'cause we accepted 35m when we had a average-poor strikeforce as it was and we should have expected more but aye, let's wait and see again we might be surprised, benefit of the doubt for del & mike again i suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 for some strange reason, i have full confidence in the club on this one, patience is the key for us. i think there will be a decent signing for us comin up before the window closes, whether it be erdinc or someone we've not even been linked with yet or maybe im juse deluded lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I'm not giving the benafit of the doubt to Mike and Llambias, I'm giving it to our scouting system that has discovered some real gems over the last couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 The "wait and see" point has been and gone imo, most of our pre-season games have passed, we play Arsenal in less than two weeks time, it's simply not good enough with the money and time on our hands. Would we have signed a striker yet if we hadn't taken advantage of yet another odd contractual issue with Ba? Is Graham Carr's job as a scout or does he just ring round agents and try and find out who is about to fall off the back of a lorry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Again, I'm not condoning the amount of time it's taken to get a striker in, rather I don't believe for one minutes the current regime are considering names like Defoe and Crouch. They'll go for someone of the Erding ilk i.e. cheap with potenatial sell on value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Is Graham Carr's job as a scout or does he just ring round agents and try and find out who is about to fall off the back of a lorry? i'd love to know the mechanics of how we're exploiting all these clauses and shit, i suppose there must be loads of players with contractual clauses and expirations so maybe the scouting teams remit is to go and scout all of them and choose the best ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Is Graham Carr's job as a scout or does he just ring round agents and try and find out who is about to fall off the back of a lorry? i'd love to know the mechanics of how we're exploiting all these clauses and shit, i suppose there must be loads of players with contractual clauses and expirations so maybe the scouting teams remit is to go and scout all of them and choose the best ones? Agents job to hawk their players about and make people aware of said clauses surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Is Graham Carr's job as a scout or does he just ring round agents and try and find out who is about to fall off the back of a lorry? i'd love to know the mechanics of how we're exploiting all these clauses and shit, i suppose there must be loads of players with contractual clauses and expirations so maybe the scouting teams remit is to go and scout all of them and choose the best ones? Agents job to hawk their players about and make people aware of said clauses surely. just meant from our side really...i mean are we even looking at players who we have negotiate and pay for now or do we just scout the clauses and expiring contracts? probably a mixture with the focus on the clauses and shit imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Is Graham Carr's job as a scout or does he just ring round agents and try and find out who is about to fall off the back of a lorry? i'd love to know the mechanics of how we're exploiting all these clauses and shit, i suppose there must be loads of players with contractual clauses and expirations so maybe the scouting teams remit is to go and scout all of them and choose the best ones? Agents job to hawk their players about and make people aware of said clauses surely. just meant from our side really...i mean are we even looking at players who we have negotiate and pay for now or do we just scout the clauses and expiring contracts? probably a mixture with the focus on the clauses and shit imo I'd imagine agents will know what we're after and therefore will target contacting the club or whatever alerting to us to said clauses. It definitely seems we're only after first team players with said clauses while we'll pay the normal nominal amounts for youth or shit backup's like Perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Limitations breed creativity. I think the scouting team's focus on these sort of players is their way of trying to get around our limited transfer budgets. Given that we're not spending a whole lot of money either way, I'm just happy that we seem to be finding the good players with contract loopholes instead of the shit ones so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i have no problem with the job the scouts are doing to be honest, who does? problem is with the money (not) being spent nowt else "limitations breed creativity" i like that actually, sums it up pretty well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Fucking desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i have no problem with the job the scouts are doing to be honest, who does? problem is with the money (not) being spent nowt else "limitations breed creativity" i like that actually, sums it up pretty well Sorry not directly pointed at you, but the fact that we're not spending vast sums of money keeps coming up. I still find it strange that in every walk of life you look to spend the least amount of money to bring the greatest benefit, except for football. Of course I would love another striker brought in and a decent replacement/backup for Enrique as a minimum, but for some people it appears that would rather we had spent £15m on a striker of Ba's ability and another £15m on a player of Cabaye's ability, and then spent another £10m on a winger like Marveaux. I like the fact that we are looking outside of the UK for signings as they give much better value for money, and the fact we are exploiting clauses like are we is to me, a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Well it said in the Sunday Sun that Sturridge is on our list but we don't want to wait until mid-late August to get our striker. So we still have that option after the Beckfords and Crouchs go away. Our back-up plan is the best one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i have no problem with the job the scouts are doing to be honest, who does? problem is with the money (not) being spent nowt else "limitations breed creativity" i like that actually, sums it up pretty well Sorry not directly pointed at you, but the fact that we're not spending vast sums of money keeps coming up. I still find it strange that in every walk of life you look to spend the least amount of money to bring the greatest benefit, except for football. Of course I would love another striker brought in and a decent replacement/backup for Enrique as a minimum, but for some people it appears that would rather we had spent £15m on a striker of Ba's ability and another £15m on a player of Cabaye's ability, and then spent another £10m on a winger like Marveaux. I like the fact that we are looking outside of the UK for signings as they give much better value for money, and the fact we are exploiting clauses like are we is to me, a good thing. Agreed. Some are obsessed with money, caught up in this Hollywood romantic view that in order to sign good players you need to spend vast amounts of money. You are absolutely correct that those who think this way, would have preffered to have signed these players for big fees. They won't admit to it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i have no problem with the job the scouts are doing to be honest, who does? problem is with the money (not) being spent nowt else "limitations breed creativity" i like that actually, sums it up pretty well Sorry not directly pointed at you, but the fact that we're not spending vast sums of money keeps coming up. I still find it strange that in every walk of life you look to spend the least amount of money to bring the greatest benefit, except for football. Of course I would love another striker brought in and a decent replacement/backup for Enrique as a minimum, but for some people it appears that would rather we had spent £15m on a striker of Ba's ability and another £15m on a player of Cabaye's ability, and then spent another £10m on a winger like Marveaux. I like the fact that we are looking outside of the UK for signings as they give much better value for money, and the fact we are exploiting clauses like are we is to me, a good thing. Everyone is happy we're looking for Bargains. People are not happy that we sold our best asset & then used the money to balance our finances. Which is what happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 what jayson said, bargains are great and i fully endorse them - they should not, however, be the sole focus of our team building plans as i've already stated i personally feel this will lead to us being fucked in the long run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Aye, another case of where it's somewhere in the middle ground. Most people are just asking for some form of significant investment in the team, given the money we've recouped from sales and the increased revenue we'll have since getting promoted and maintaining our PL position. In fairness, we have bid £10m+ for two players if reports are to be believed, so the money does appear to be there for the "right" target. It's basically just classic late July/early August type stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i have no problem with the job the scouts are doing to be honest, who does? problem is with the money (not) being spent nowt else "limitations breed creativity" i like that actually, sums it up pretty well Sorry not directly pointed at you, but the fact that we're not spending vast sums of money keeps coming up. I still find it strange that in every walk of life you look to spend the least amount of money to bring the greatest benefit, except for football. Of course I would love another striker brought in and a decent replacement/backup for Enrique as a minimum, but for some people it appears that would rather we had spent £15m on a striker of Ba's ability and another £15m on a player of Cabaye's ability, and then spent another £10m on a winger like Marveaux. I like the fact that we are looking outside of the UK for signings as they give much better value for money, and the fact we are exploiting clauses like are we is to me, a good thing. Everyone is happy we're looking for Bargains. People are not happy that we sold our best asset & then used the money to balance our finances. Which is what happened. So a company that has recently been losing money and has a bit of debt uses a windfall to plug some of the gaps? Whilst still recruiting new players in the summer window, exploiting contract loopholes/expirations to reduce these costs. And that's a bad thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Aye, another case of where it's somewhere in the middle ground. Most people are just asking for some form of significant investment in the team, given the money we've recouped from sales and the increased revenue we'll have since getting promoted and maintaining our PL position. In fairness, we have bid £10m+ for two players if reports are to be believed, so the money does appear to be there for the "right" target. It's basically just classic late July/early August type stuff. this, no-one was expecting 35m in fees to be lashed out personally on the gameiro and gervihno bids i think they went in strong for 2 players they felt very strongly would increase in value, or at the very worst not depreciate once they were dead they didn't have anyone else with the same profile and thus haven't moved strongly for them, hence the tooing and froing with erdinc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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