Cronky Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 11:00, LRD said: Quote Quote Quote More quotes: 18. “I believe a young player will run through a barbed wire fence for you. An older player looks for a hole in the fence. SanToon, he just trips over the fence.” Well played damn you That statement is 79% true tbf. But misleading. Looking backwards, you could say that most winning teams have also had most of the possession of the ball. It doesn't then follow that if you concentrate on keeping possession of the ball, you boost your chances of winning to the same extent. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 06:37, themanupstairs said: Quote The problem with dropping Gerrard is what other options do they have? The DM/CM options are not exactly inspiring. The biggest issue is the need to replace him was and has been completely ignored. Can - Henderson with Lallana just ahead of them makes a lot more sense than the current version with both Gerard and Allen in it. It's still not a world class midfield or anywhere near it, but I bet it would be a damn sight more competitive, and a lot less static. Can may not yet be the finished article, but he comes from a solid technical background, and could easily hold his own in the league, playing the "easier" games. Henderson's been hiding all season, last player I'd want in my team when the chips are down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 12:11, Cronky said: Quote Quote Quote Quote More quotes: 18. “I believe a young player will run through a barbed wire fence for you. An older player looks for a hole in the fence. SanToon, he just trips over the fence.” Well played damn you That statement is 79% true tbf. But misleading. Looking backwards, you could say that most winning teams have also had most of the possession of the ball. It doesn't then follow that if you concentrate on keeping possession of the ball, you boost your chances of winning to the same extent. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Aye it's a stupid stat. By that theory tapping the ball around between the keeper and your back four means you'll win 80% of games? Load of bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 That whole 'Lies, damned lies and statistics' isn't getting at all old like. Just kidding, it's profoundly irritating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 10:39, themanupstairs said: Quote He just sounds pretentious. We're used to Pardew, so most of that doesn't seem so bad, just profound guff. This not really, he said a lot of that when he was either getting started at liverpool or in charge of one of the most exciting teams the PL has seen (albeit for such a short period) he's losing now so people are starting to pick him apart...i'd wager a lot of this comes from manyoo and everton fans who'll revel in it, perhaps those sackpardew fellas were mackems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 12:15, Disco said: Quote Quote The problem with dropping Gerrard is what other options do they have? The DM/CM options are not exactly inspiring. The biggest issue is the need to replace him was and has been completely ignored. Can - Henderson with Lallana just ahead of them makes a lot more sense than the current version with both Gerard and Allen in it. It's still not a world class midfield or anywhere near it, but I bet it would be a damn sight more competitive, and a lot less static. Can may not yet be the finished article, but he comes from a solid technical background, and could easily hold his own in the league, playing the "easier" games. Henderson's been hiding all season, last player I'd want in my team when the chips are down. He's not a "baller" imo. No quality on the ball. His legwork is made redundant without movement and a CM partner that can't work. Whoever they play they do need to just go back to basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 12:15, Disco said: Quote Quote The problem with dropping Gerrard is what other options do they have? The DM/CM options are not exactly inspiring. The biggest issue is the need to replace him was and has been completely ignored. Can - Henderson with Lallana just ahead of them makes a lot more sense than the current version with both Gerard and Allen in it. It's still not a world class midfield or anywhere near it, but I bet it would be a damn sight more competitive, and a lot less static. Can may not yet be the finished article, but he comes from a solid technical background, and could easily hold his own in the league, playing the "easier" games. Henderson's been hiding all season, last player I'd want in my team when the chips are down. I agree to a certain extent. Most of the Liverpool players have been hiding this season to be fair though, and it starts with "Liverpool family captain big and fookin aard Steve Gerrard". As GC has mentioned, the fucker is completely shot to bits after last season and should be put out of his misery. Carragher's comments the other day are pretty damning coming from one of their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 14:31, themanupstairs said: Quote Quote Quote The problem with dropping Gerrard is what other options do they have? The DM/CM options are not exactly inspiring. The biggest issue is the need to replace him was and has been completely ignored. Can - Henderson with Lallana just ahead of them makes a lot more sense than the current version with both Gerard and Allen in it. It's still not a world class midfield or anywhere near it, but I bet it would be a damn sight more competitive, and a lot less static. Can may not yet be the finished article, but he comes from a solid technical background, and could easily hold his own in the league, playing the "easier" games. Henderson's been hiding all season, last player I'd want in my team when the chips are down. I agree to a certain extent. Most of the Liverpool players have been hiding this season to be fair though, and it starts with "Liverpool family captain big and fookin aard Steve Gerrard". As GC has mentioned, the fucker is completely shot to bits after last season and should be put out of his misery. Carragher's comments the other day are pretty damning coming from one of their own. henderson's a funny one, in exchange with KI i put him on a level with colback earlier this season and said his game had been raised by playing in a better team...i subsequently saw henderson play a blinder and thought i was wrong...now i see henderson back in a shite mess of a team and i think i was right all along not that i'm saying colback is great or anything, so we're all clear...henderson wash gash under dalglish, average 1st rodgers season at best, very good last season in an amazing attacking team, woeful in a woeful england team in the summer, and is now back to being average/anonymous with liverpool could be coincidence but i doubt it very much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I thought he was absolutely fine for England in the World Cup. He did everything that you would expect from him and did it well, he was just the wrong type of player to use in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 14:48, Kid Icarus said: I thought he was absolutely fine for England in the World Cup. He did everything that you would expect from him and did it well, he was just the wrong type of player to use in the first place. think the point is in a good team he can look good, in a shite team he's invariably shite... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yeah, Henderson isn't a player to lift a team, more a player who performs comfortably when the team does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 15:38, Ste said: Yeah, Henderson isn't a player to lift a team, more a player who performs comfortably when the team does. for a split second i thought i was wrong but now i don't think so....if colback had played in that liverpool team last season he'd have looked mint too and been in the world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 15:44, mrmojorisin75 said: Quote Yeah, Henderson isn't a player to lift a team, more a player who performs comfortably when the team does. for a split second i thought i was wrong but now i don't think so....if colback had played in that liverpool team last season he'd have looked mint too and been in the world cup As fucking if you actually believe that He may not be great but he's miles better than Colback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 15:50, Mole_Toonfan said: Quote Quote Yeah, Henderson isn't a player to lift a team, more a player who performs comfortably when the team does. for a split second i thought i was wrong but now i don't think so....if colback had played in that liverpool team last season he'd have looked mint too and been in the world cup As f***ing if you actually believe that He may not be great but he's miles better than Colback. A little bit better. Not miles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Never believed in Henderson. Offers nowt on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 16:13, The College Dropout said: Never believed in Henderson. Offers nowt on the ball. More sideways/backward passes than Batty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I keep forgetting these guys are in the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 14:48, Kid Icarus said: I thought he was absolutely fine for England in the World Cup. He did everything that you would expect from him and did it well He was shit, man. Him and Gerrard were bloody awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Neither player has real craft, alot of chest puffing and heroics. Im not knocking Henderson, I think hes a good player who will improve but he has nowhere near the quality of say Wilshere. His workrate is excellent and, not to sound all Pardew, it does count for something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 18:27, South Tynedale Mag said: Neither player has real craft, alot of chest puffing and heroics. Im not knocking Henderson, I think hes a good player who will improve but he has nowhere near the quality of say Wilshere. His workrate is excellent and, not to sound all Pardew, it does count for something If he was a Milner type option I would agree. But he's a starter for country and it isn't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I think Henderson has reached his highest level of incompetence. He's shown great application in getting there, but now and then his lack of natural skill becomes apparent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 On 25/11/2014 at 15:55, aussiemag said: Quote Quote Quote Yeah, Henderson isn't a player to lift a team, more a player who performs comfortably when the team does. for a split second i thought i was wrong but now i don't think so....if colback had played in that liverpool team last season he'd have looked mint too and been in the world cup As f***ing if you actually believe that He may not be great but he's miles better than Colback. A little bit better. Not miles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 However, the Liverpool manager, who may switch Gerrard to a more offensive position against the Bulgarians with Lucas in the holding role, has issued a staunch defence of the team’s figurehead. “It’s simple, I judge Steven on merit,” said Rodgers. “The spotlight he is under is incredible. I think people expect him to be the player he was 10 years ago and that is simply not the case. “He has been adapted to a playmaking role, so the player who scored 15 goals a season is not there anymore but it is hugely unfair that he gets judged on that level. “He is the best player I have ever worked with in terms of football mentality and the loyalty he has shown this football club. I have shown in my time I do not deal on sentiment. I do not pick him on sentiment. “He is in at 8.30am every day to prepare for training. I judge him on that and the influence on other players. Of course he is coming to the latter part of his career but he is still invaluable to me. It’s an easy situation to manage because he is a top-class player who accepts what is best for Liverpool. He is a unique case at a time when modern football is very much about the player’s interests in that every decision he makes is in the interests of Liverpool. He can still contribute at a high level and it is my job to manage how that is.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Stevie G holding him by the nuts it seems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Who was it that Liverpool binned Alonso off in favour for? I'm sure it was someone shit but cant put my finger on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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