Unbelievable Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I actually think he'd be a really good choice for them, and I would find it hard to dislike him, which is a shame. A lot of people on here seem to think this. May I ask why exactly? Apart from a promotion from league 1 with Swansea and keeping Wigan in the Premiership by the grid of their teeth what has Martinez ever done to suggest he's ready for a job like managing Liverpool? As somebody said earlier, if Wigan's good run would have come earlier in the season and their "normal" form towards the end with them finishing in the exact same position, would anybody even be contemplating this as a viable possibility let alone a good idea? If they appoint Martinez it will be an unmitigated disaster, not only because the Liverpool fans will be on his back at the first sign of trouble, but also because there's nothing in Martinez' record that suggest he is or will ever be ready for such a big job. Or am I missing something here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I think the theory is that he knows how to select the right system and play good football, so with better players he will do better. And he's young and has potential to get better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 William Hill still 4/9 while everywhere else was 2/9 or 1/5 I reckon they will get rinsed if Roberto M joins the reds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 He would surely have said no already if he didn't want the job. Will be him for sure now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I think the theory is that he knows how to select the right system and play good football, so with better players he will do better. And he's young and has potential to get better. How does he know how to select the right system - is this the fabled move to 343 late in the season that worked out well in the end? If so, why didn't he move to it earlier in the season and instead had them in a position where they were almost a certainty for going down? Whatever it is that gets Wigan going when the pressure is off and it's backs to the wall I'm not sure how it's applicable in a context like Liverpool's where he'll be expected to have them challenging at the top end of the table. The fact is young and has the potential to get better is true for every young(ish) manager. He also has the potential to fail miserably and get worse. Personally, I would rather appoint someone with the required experience for a job as complicated and challenging as this if I was their owners. And I include somebody like AVB in that if they want to go young and promising, which would be understandable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Why's Rafa now the favourite to take over at Villa? He's odds on at Sky. Imagine the bin dippers if they get Martinez and Villa get Rafa. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I think the theory is that he knows how to select the right system and play good football, so with better players he will do better. And he's young and has potential to get better. How does he know how to select the right system - is this the fabled move to 343 late in the season that worked out well in the end? If so, why didn't he move to it earlier in the season and instead had them in a position where they were almost a certainty for going down? Whatever it is that gets Wigan going when the pressure is off and it's backs to the wall I'm not sure how it's applicable in a context like Liverpool's where he'll be expected to have them challenging at the top end of the table. The fact is young and has the potential to get better is true for every young(ish) manager. He also has the potential to fail miserably and get worse. Personally, I would rather appoint someone with the required experience for a job as complicated and challenging as this if I was their owners. And I include somebody like AVB in that if they want to go young and promising, which would be understandable. Going by your logic Pep Guardiola wouldn't have been appointed by Barça. Experience is completely over-rated, each situation is different and there's no way of guaranteeing one person will do a good job no matter their track record. Perhaps it's actually better their owners think outside of the box and take a risk considering the experienced route has completely fucked them over so far and cost them a shit load of money. I don't think he's as weak as you suggest, he can serve up better football than his predecessor(s) and at a smaller price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I think the theory is that he knows how to select the right system and play good football, so with better players he will do better. And he's young and has potential to get better. How does he know how to select the right system - is this the fabled move to 343 late in the season that worked out well in the end? If so, why didn't he move to it earlier in the season and instead had them in a position where they were almost a certainty for going down? Whatever it is that gets Wigan going when the pressure is off and it's backs to the wall I'm not sure how it's applicable in a context like Liverpool's where he'll be expected to have them challenging at the top end of the table. The fact is young and has the potential to get better is true for every young(ish) manager. He also has the potential to fail miserably and get worse. Personally, I would rather appoint someone with the required experience for a job as complicated and challenging as this if I was their owners. And I include somebody like AVB in that if they want to go young and promising, which would be understandable. Whey I meant 'potential' as in he seems to know what he's doing etc. Not just time to get either better or worse. I agree with some of the doubts though, it is worrying that he manages to get Wigan playing during the last quarter of the season but not the other three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Whealn is such a d**k. he should be just shut it up. I am not surprised ashley doesn't like him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Ethi, sometimes I think you should be just shut it up, but I can never find the words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce were obviously unavailable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Ethi, sometimes I think you should be just shut it up, but I can never find the words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Martinez or no Martinez.... its always hilarious when these lot f**k things up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Will we have a Parky vs Martinez thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Parky vs Martinez (special guest referee(s): The Bin Dippers). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Will we have a Parky vs Martinez thread? Of course. Hilarity guranteed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I actually think he'd be a really good choice for them, and I would find it hard to dislike him, which is a shame. A lot of people on here seem to think this. May I ask why exactly? Apart from a promotion from league 1 with Swansea and keeping Wigan in the Premiership by the grid of their teeth what has Martinez ever done to suggest he's ready for a job like managing Liverpool? As somebody said earlier, if Wigan's good run would have come earlier in the season and their "normal" form towards the end with them finishing in the exact same position, would anybody even be contemplating this as a viable possibility let alone a good idea? If they appoint Martinez it will be an unmitigated disaster, not only because the Liverpool fans will be on his back at the first sign of trouble, but also because there's nothing in Martinez' record that suggest he is or will ever be ready for such a big job. Or am I missing something here? I can see it now. Gerraaahh and Carraaaghhh chatting away ignoring the tactics talk and then the dressing room goes silent...They aren't sure if they misheard Martinez...Did he say 3 at the black??!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 to be fair dagliesh has tried 3 at the back with liverpool, just when he was playing very negatively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Press Conference on Tuesday with Martinez saying what he's doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Press Conference on Tuesday with Martinez saying what he's doing. Imagine Martinez turning down LFC and instead taking the job as Villa manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Press Conference on Tuesday with Martinez saying what he's doing. Imagine Martinez turning down LFC and instead taking the job as Villa manager. better if he chose to stay at then go to either tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4343542/Roberto-Martinez-to-snub-Liverpool-next-up-Brendan-Rodgers.html oh dear Liverpool, if you can't persuade the Wigan manager to take over who can you get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Ohhhhh man That's gotta hurt! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Do the Sun not realise that Rodgers has said no already? Please, please let them approach O'Neill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Do the Sun not realise that Rodgers has said no already? Please, please let them approach O'Neill. Turned down an interview, not the job, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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