Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Don't kid yourself. It's about recruiting young players for the long term plan of selling them on for profit. As part of "a five year plan to break even" no doubt that break even, is to payback the debt so we are debt-free! we will defo break even this season I doubt that, we're already over three years into his plan after all. i meant break even in regards to this season's books Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Even if the plan is to buy young and sell on at profit then he is a fool not buying him for 5 or 6m. At worst we will break even on him if he is shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 i meant break even in regards to this season's books I know, I'm saying that I don't believe "break even in five years" meant paying off his loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Even if the plan is to buy young and sell on at profit then he is a fool not buying him for 5 or 6m. At worst we will break even on him if he is shite. Aye cos if nobody else is up for him now, they'll all be piling in if he can't hack it in the Prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Probably will yeah.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 He's being fined 1/30th of his salary? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Speedy resolution is good, get him in for Villa pleeeaasse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 http://twitter.com/MD_eurosportfr Some quotes on this twitter site saying they are looking at buying two attackers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristov Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 cant hack this anymore, keep coming on to check. i need a self imposed ban or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Need to get Chris Waddle as a mediator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz So am I, but not for the same reason. The people saying we don't really know what's going on money wise are partly right of course, as are those who are doing some guesswork and concluding there must be money available. For me, the money side is largely irrelevant. From my point of view, the fans of this club should have a different interest than the owner. What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years time? As far as I am concerned I think the fans should demand that the club aspires to be the best it possibly can. We pay out huge amounts of money on season tickets, drinks and food at the matches, fan shop articles etcetera. We do so (from a business point of view) because we enjoy the products that NUFC offers. This club has a huge following (read: turnover) because in recent past it offered a top notch product. In recent years, the quality of the product on offer has gone down substantially, but we have remained loyal. It is in NUFC's interest to make sure it remains so, and for that (like in every other company) investments are needed. I don't particularly care how they do it, or if a certain player cost the club 1 million or 20 million, as long as the club continues to offer quality in return for our personal investment. The internal balancing of the books is important, but ultimately largely irrelevant for the fans (bar going to the point of risking the very existence of the club). The bottom line is the people in charge of this club need to consider themselves "caretakers" of the club, and their success should be measured by how much they take us forward (or not), not how much profit they manage to squeeze out of us over the years of their tenure (which coincidentally I don't object to them doing; they should be rewarded if they take us forward. They shouldn't be when they fail to do so however imho). If Ashley didn't understand this when he bought us then he has no business being a Premiership football club owner. Football is a highly emotional "business" proposition, and managing a football club does not have much semblance to managing a sport article shop. Regardless of the money involved, Ashley has a moral duty to make sure we don't go backwards after he has just been bailed out by Hughton's excellent work last season. If he can't muster that, it will be another nail in his coffin in a growing chain of foolish decisions since he has taken us over. This off-season he had the opportunity to turn around the tide and get in a more favourable position with the fans than he has been for a while. I will be baffled if he doesn't take that chance purely for short term personal financial gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 NOTHING'S IS HAPPENING!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz So am I, but not for the same reason. The people saying we don't really know what's going on money wise are partly right of course, as are those who are doing some guesswork and concluding there must be money available. For me, the money side is largely irrelevant. From my point of view, the fans of this club should have a different interest than the owner. What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years time? As far as I am concerned I think the fans should demand that the club aspires to be the best it possibly can. We pay out huge amounts of money on season tickets, drinks and food at the matches, fan shop articles etcetera. We do so (from a business point of view) because we enjoy the products that NUFC offers. This club has a huge following (read: turnover) because in recent past it offered a top notch product. In recent years, the quality of the product on offer has gone down substantially, but we have remained loyal. It is in NUFC's interest to make sure it remains so, and for that (like in every other company) investments are needed. I don't particularly care how they do it, or if a certain player cost the club 1 million or 20 million, as long as the club continues to offer quality in return for our personal investment. The internal balancing of the books is important, but ultimately largely irrelevant for the fans (bar going to the point of risking the very existence of the club). The bottom line is the people in charge of this club need to consider themselves "caretakers" of the club, and their success should be measured by how much they take us forward (or not), not how much profit they manage to squeeze out of us over the years of their tenure (which coincidentally I don't object to them doing; they should be rewarded if they take us forward. They shouldn't be when they fail to do so imho however). If Ashley didn't understand this when he bought us then he has no business being a Premiership football club owner. Football is a highly emotional "business" proposition, and managing a football club does not have much semblance to managing a sport article shop. Regardless of the money involved, Ashley has a moral duty to make sure we don't go backwards after he has just been bailed out by Hughton's actual work last season. If he can't muster that, it will be another nail in his coffin in a growing chain of foolish decisions since he has taken us over. This off-season he had the opportunity to turn around the tide and get in a more favourable position with the fans than he has been for a while. I will be baffled if he doesn't take that chance purely for short term personal financial gain. On the nail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I doubt this will be sorted by the time we play Villa, its going to be a deadline day comic strip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz So am I, but not for the same reason. The people saying we don't really know what's going on money wise are partly right of course, as are those who are doing some guesswork and concluding there must be money available. For me, the money side is largely irrelevant. From my point of view, the fans of this club should have a different interest than the owner. What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years time? As far as I am concerned I think the fans should demand that the club aspires to be the best it possibly can. We pay out huge amounts of money on season tickets, drinks and food at the matches, fan shop articles etcetera. We do so (from a business point of view) because we enjoy the products that NUFC offers. This club has a huge following (read: turnover) because in recent past it offered a top notch product. In recent years, the quality of the product on offer has gone down substantially, but we have remained loyal. It is in NUFC's interest to make sure it remains so, and for that (like in every other company) investments are needed. I don't particularly care how they do it, or if a certain player cost the club 1 million or 20 million, as long as the club continues to offer quality in return for our personal investment. The internal balancing of the books is important, but ultimately largely irrelevant for the fans (bar going to the point of risking the very existence of the club). The bottom line is the people in charge of this club need to consider themselves "caretakers" of the club, and their success should be measured by how much they take us forward (or not), not how much profit they manage to squeeze out of us over the years of their tenure (which coincidentally I don't object to them doing; they should be rewarded if they take us forward. They shouldn't be when they fail to do so imho however). If Ashley didn't understand this when he bought us then he has no business being a Premiership football club owner. Football is a highly emotional "business" proposition, and managing a football club does not have much semblance to managing a sport article shop. Regardless of the money involved, Ashley has a moral duty to make sure we don't go backwards after he has just been bailed out by Hughton's actual work last season. If he can't muster that, it will be another nail in his coffin in a growing chain of foolish decisions since he has taken us over. This off-season he had the opportunity to turn around the tide and get in a more favourable position with the fans than he has been for a while. I will be baffled if he doesn't take that chance purely for short term personal financial gain. On the nail. Seconded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hmm, but what if they move the club forward through terrible financial management that leaves us in significant debt? Don't see how you can totally disregard that, it's an important part of being a good 'caretaker'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hmm, but what if they move the club forward through terrible financial management that leaves us in significant debt? Don't see how you can totally disregard that, it's an important part of being a good 'caretaker'. We're talking £5 mill for chrissakes not Leeds or Pompey spending proportions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz So am I, but not for the same reason. The people saying we don't really know what's going on money wise are partly right of course, as are those who are doing some guesswork and concluding there must be money available. For me, the money side is largely irrelevant. From my point of view, the fans of this club should have a different interest than the owner. What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years time? As far as I am concerned I think the fans should demand that the club aspires to be the best it possibly can. We pay out huge amounts of money on season tickets, drinks and food at the matches, fan shop articles etcetera. We do so (from a business point of view) because we enjoy the products that NUFC offers. This club has a huge following (read: turnover) because in recent past it offered a top notch product. In recent years, the quality of the product on offer has gone down substantially, but we have remained loyal. It is in NUFC's interest to make sure it remains so, and for that (like in every other company) investments are needed. I don't particularly care how they do it, or if a certain player cost the club 1 million or 20 million, as long as the club continues to offer quality in return for our personal investment. The internal balancing of the books is important, but ultimately largely irrelevant for the fans (bar going to the point of risking the very existence of the club). The bottom line is the people in charge of this club need to consider themselves "caretakers" of the club, and their success should be measured by how much they take us forward (or not), not how much profit they manage to squeeze out of us over the years of their tenure (which coincidentally I don't object to them doing; they should be rewarded if they take us forward. They shouldn't be when they fail to do so however imho). If Ashley didn't understand this when he bought us then he has no business being a Premiership football club owner. Football is a highly emotional "business" proposition, and managing a football club does not have much semblance to managing a sport article shop. Regardless of the money involved, Ashley has a moral duty to make sure we don't go backwards after he has just been bailed out by Hughton's excellent work last season. If he can't muster that, it will be another nail in his coffin in a growing chain of foolish decisions since he has taken us over. This off-season he had the opportunity to turn around the tide and get in a more favourable position with the fans than he has been for a while. I will be baffled if he doesn't take that chance purely for short term personal financial gain. Have to say that while I have understood the need to balance the books after Shepherd's reckless stint, I am of the opinion that Ashley should have used promotion as a springboard to really put us back on the map. Nothing daft, just signing the likes of Arfa on a permanent deal rather than fucking about with half-arsed loan deals. If Ashley doesn't invest he's in danger of killing the season before it began, and I don't think people will keep coughing up for season tickets with nothing to look forward to. Hopefully Ashley is just keeping his cards close to his chest and will shock us all with a big money move for a striker. /straws#clutch etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hmm, but what if they move the club forward through terrible financial management that leaves us in significant debt? Don't see how you can totally disregard that, it's an important part of being a good 'caretaker'. We're talking £5 mill for chrissakes not Leeds or Pompey spending proportions. The post I was commenting on was on the principle of not judging owners based on finance, not just on this transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hmm, but what if they move the club forward through terrible financial management that leaves us in significant debt? Don't see how you can totally disregard that, it's an important part of being a good 'caretaker'. I'm not totally disregarding that, hence why I draw the line at the point where it seriously endangers the existence of the football club. You are right, the first priority is to keep the club alive. I am not certain how withholding investment and seriously risking another, possibly fatal relegation (and that's not even mentioning alienating the fans who are the life and blood of this club) for a short term financial gain is contributing to that top priority though.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 The money should be made available to sign him. We've spent virtually nothing since we got promoted, trimmed the wage bill, received a wedge of cash for going up, sold loads (30k??) of season tickets, increased sponsorship/advertising and signed a new deal with Puma. If the club can't make £4m available now then we may as well not bother trying to stay up. Pay the money and get the lad in and playing ffs. My thoughts entirely. Players like this at these prices don't come along often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 They said that like 2 weeks ago ffs. It's always 'end of the week' or 'next few days' when in reality it's whenever they fucking decide to pull a finger out and do something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years I stopped reading when I read this. I'd love to see how Ashley could possibly walk away with a profit now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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