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Kaizero

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Took a nap earlier, and ended up dreaming a horrible nightmare in which Ben Arfa signed for Wigan instead of us. I can't believe just how fucking distressed I was when I woke up before I realized it was all a dream. He needs to come here now, he just has to. :lol:

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BONTEMPI

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Took a nap earlier, and ended up dreaming a horrible nightmare in which Ben Arfa signed for Wigan instead of us. I can't believe just how fucking distressed I was when I woke up before I realized it was all a dream. He needs to come here now, he just has to. :lol:

 

I had a similiar situation dreaming about knocking one out over scarletts rack, then I woke up and saw the misses spaniel ears and I was mortifed.

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Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

So am I, but not for the same reason. The people saying we don't really know what's going on money wise are partly right of course, as are those who are doing some guesswork and concluding there must be money available. For me, the money side is largely irrelevant. From my point of view, the fans of this club should have a different interest than the owner. What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years time? As far as I am concerned I think the fans should demand that the club aspires to be the best it possibly can. We pay out huge amounts of money on season tickets, drinks and food at the matches, fan shop articles etcetera. We do so (from a business point of view) because we enjoy the products that NUFC offers. This club has a huge following (read: turnover) because in recent past it offered a top notch product. In recent years, the quality of the product on offer has gone down substantially, but we have remained loyal. It is in NUFC's interest to make sure it remains so, and for that (like in every other company) investments are needed. I don't particularly care how they do it, or if a certain player cost the club 1 million or 20 million, as long as the club continues to offer quality in return for our personal investment. The internal balancing of the books is important, but ultimately largely irrelevant for the fans (bar going to the point of risking the very existence of the club).

 

The bottom line is the people in charge of this club need to consider themselves "caretakers" of the club, and their success should be measured by how much they take us forward (or not), not how much profit they manage to squeeze out of us over the years of their tenure (which coincidentally I don't object to them doing; they should be rewarded if they take us forward. They shouldn't be when they fail to do so however imho). If Ashley didn't understand this when he bought us then he has no business being a Premiership football club owner. Football is a highly emotional "business" proposition, and managing a football club does not have much semblance to managing a sport article shop.

 

Regardless of the money involved, Ashley has a moral duty to make sure we don't go backwards after he has just been bailed out by Hughton's excellent work last season. If he can't muster that, it will be another nail in his coffin in a growing chain of foolish decisions since he has taken us over. This off-season he had the opportunity to turn around the tide and get in a more favourable position with the fans than he has been for a while. I will be baffled if he doesn't take that chance purely for short term personal financial gain.

 

That's just an elaborate way of saying that you want the owner to spend more money on players, which is what nearly every supporter at every club would like, barring Man City and Chelsea.

 

Ashley is the first owner of this club to sink his own money in. And in reality, he's sunk in quite a lot, although most of it hasn't gone on players. The guy has made some costly blunders, but it's time to leave the witch hunt behind.

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Wonder if he is still desperate to sign now, I hope it will have no effect but you just never know.

Would love to think Ashley seen enough tonight to realise how much we need this kid and think more about buying him to try and get the deal done sooner.... but alas we have had these hopes before and he let us down every time.

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Bored with this budget talk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

So am I, but not for the same reason. The people saying we don't really know what's going on money wise are partly right of course, as are those who are doing some guesswork and concluding there must be money available. For me, the money side is largely irrelevant. From my point of view, the fans of this club should have a different interest than the owner. What good is it to us if we balance the books so Ashley can walk away with a tidy profit in a few years time? As far as I am concerned I think the fans should demand that the club aspires to be the best it possibly can. We pay out huge amounts of money on season tickets, drinks and food at the matches, fan shop articles etcetera. We do so (from a business point of view) because we enjoy the products that NUFC offers. This club has a huge following (read: turnover) because in recent past it offered a top notch product. In recent years, the quality of the product on offer has gone down substantially, but we have remained loyal. It is in NUFC's interest to make sure it remains so, and for that (like in every other company) investments are needed. I don't particularly care how they do it, or if a certain player cost the club 1 million or 20 million, as long as the club continues to offer quality in return for our personal investment. The internal balancing of the books is important, but ultimately largely irrelevant for the fans (bar going to the point of risking the very existence of the club).

 

The bottom line is the people in charge of this club need to consider themselves "caretakers" of the club, and their success should be measured by how much they take us forward (or not), not how much profit they manage to squeeze out of us over the years of their tenure (which coincidentally I don't object to them doing; they should be rewarded if they take us forward. They shouldn't be when they fail to do so however imho). If Ashley didn't understand this when he bought us then he has no business being a Premiership football club owner. Football is a highly emotional "business" proposition, and managing a football club does not have much semblance to managing a sport article shop.

 

Regardless of the money involved, Ashley has a moral duty to make sure we don't go backwards after he has just been bailed out by Hughton's excellent work last season. If he can't muster that, it will be another nail in his coffin in a growing chain of foolish decisions since he has taken us over. This off-season he had the opportunity to turn around the tide and get in a more favourable position with the fans than he has been for a while. I will be baffled if he doesn't take that chance purely for short term personal financial gain.

Here here put this in a nother thread so everyone can read it  :clap:
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JH

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Wonder if he is still desperate to sign now, I hope it will have no effect but you just never know.

Would love to think Ashley seen enough tonight to realise how much we need this kid and think more about buying him to try and get the deal done sooner.... but alas we have had these hopes before and he let us down every time.

 

:lol:

 

As if our performance in one game would have a bearing on whether he signed. It probably makes him want to sign more, so he can 'fix' it.

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Wonder if he is still desperate to sign now, I hope it will have no effect but you just never know.

Would love to think Ashley seen enough tonight to realise how much we need this kid and think more about buying him to try and get the deal done sooner.... but alas we have had these hopes before and he let us down every time.

 

Ashley:

 

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4878/everythingwentbettertha.jpg

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Don't understand why that post is so great, obviously we all want something for our money and for the club to move forward.

 

But football doesn't work like that and football clubs have to manage their money. The only ones that don't are the ones that are bankrolled by their owners, and they're getting more and more rare.

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Wonder if he is still desperate to sign now, I hope it will have no effect but you just never know.

Would love to think Ashley seen enough tonight to realise how much we need this kid and think more about buying him to try and get the deal done sooner.... but alas we have had these hopes before and he let us down every time.

 

Ashley:

 

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4878/everythingwentbettertha.jpg

 

:lol:

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AyeDubbleYoo

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Wouldn't have made a difference tonight because of the sheer lack of movement or willingness to get forward, he would have got the ball, looked up and seen nobody ahead of him.

 

Suppose, but if you have a player in the middle capable of getting, retaining and then passing the ball, you have more chance to get players forward.

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Gallowgate Toon

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Wouldn't have made a difference tonight because of the sheer lack of movement or willingness to get forward, he would have got the ball, looked up and seen nobody ahead of him.

 

Suppose, but if you have a player in the middle capable of getting, retaining and then passing the ball, you have more chance to get players forward.

Fair point but if we're looking for retention he isn't our man, he's not that type of player.

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