toonarmy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 “He shows flashes of brilliance in training but I want him to do it more often before I bring him in.” “Now it is a matter of when he is ready. “He keeps smiling at me as if to say, ‘OK, I will play next week’ and there will be times in the coming weeks when he will be kicking my door down if he has not made a start. “But realistically he knows he has more to do on the training ground.” http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/212384/Hatem-Ben-Arfa-warned-it-will-be-weeks-until-line-up/ I just know people are going to love these. At least he's back on with the "door down" and "smiling" bits though, eh? Pards talking sense, can't just throw him to the wolves until he's fully ready. A place on the bench, a cameo experience, ease him in after such a long layoff and as he not only builds strength, but builds confidence in his legs. Makes sense he's only still showing flashes now, I'd expect him to be in the lineup within 2-3 weeks, until then, bench and impact sub makes perfect sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 All this banging of doors down has descended into the sinister practice of kicking them down. Shocking stuff. Player revolt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 All this banging of doors down has descended into the sinister practice of kicking them down. Shocking stuff. Player revolt Hopefully Hatem wont try and kick it down with his backwards leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I do suspect he will be treated like Marveaux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Lucky we've got all that £35m to buy some new ones though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Pardew is saying he doesn't want to play him on the wing - that he's much more effective inside. Makes sense. Give him as much of the ball as possible, and don't let him become peripheral to the action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Are those Daily Star quotes from the press conference then? Any mention of him being in the squad Saturday? More smiling and door related quotes :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'm not sure I like the idea of a #10 in modern football. For a variety of reasons. Will wait and see though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'm not sure I like the idea of a #10 in modern football. For a variety of reasons. Will wait and see though. Really? Care to explain further? If anything, I think the bog standard 4-4-2 is going out of fashion, and 4-3-3/4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1 is more popular and arguably more effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I think the only main problem with the number ten is that he can be too much of a focus of the whole team's play. Even Van Der Vaart disrupts Spurs' play to a certain extent IMO. With HBA and the other midfielders we've got I'm not sure it's such an issue for us though. He's very direct and focused on going past people, and the other midfielders around him can also threaten the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 As you say the key is to not focus the ball on one player, regardless of how good he is. In fact it's important that we use the wide areas of the pitch to create space for players like Ben Arfa to exploit. Cabaye will be the most important player in this regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'm not sure I like the idea of a #10 in modern football. For a variety of reasons. Will wait and see though. I wish there were more "number 10s." I grew up in an era that had Roberto Baggio & Dennis Bergkamp. So it's an element that I really miss from the modern game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 As you say the key is to not focus the ball on one player, regardless of how good he is. In fact it's important that we use the wide areas of the pitch to create space for players like Ben Arfa to exploit. Cabaye will be the most important player in this regard. Yep, as long as Cabaye and Tiote still utilise Marveaux, Jonas and Obertan enough we shouldn't be caught in the trap of always getting it to Be Arfa. I'm really excited about our midfield at the moment like, potentially the best we've had for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'm not sure I like the idea of a #10 in modern football. For a variety of reasons. Will wait and see though. I wish there were more "number 10s." I grew up in an era that had Roberto Baggio & Dennis Bergkamp. So it's an element that I really miss from the modern game. Same here. I still think it can be an invaluable position when you have the right player in there, although the traditional version is undoubtedly less effective now that so many teams field a specialist defensive midfielder to plug the gap in between the lines. If he's allowed just to drift into space wherever it may be and pull people all over he could completely change the way we play, he also has to be willing to get into the box and beyond the striker too though. Think they call it a "false 10" these days, don't they? Where Ozil played for Germany in the World Cup and VDV played for Spurs last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Quite Fascinating, as we create a team either by sheer luck or by shrewd intelligence to accommodate a false number 9 in the team. Having Nolan, Barton,Shola, Carroll and the likes of Alan Smith surrounding Arfa. Will really put alot of pressure on him wih their lack of movement and skill. Since then continental players have being brought in to fit the system , Cabaye, Tiote , Obertan , Marvx etc The dead weights are gone, and the possibilities of having a team that could move the ball around excitingly is there. Honestly, i have never been so excited by the possibilities of the players since Sir Bobby left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pace, energy, fluidity. Something has to go wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pardsey on HBA: "My view is that he can't play out wide. He has not got the relish for it and his best football comes through the middle." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pardsey on HBA: "My view is that he can't play out wide. He has not got the relish for it and his best football comes through the middle." I agree with this like, one reason to play him wide is to protect him, but that's a bollocks reason anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pace, energy, fluidity. Something has to go wrong. Best will stop scoring and we'll get crippling injurys in defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pardsey on HBA: "My view is that he can't play out wide. He has not got the relish for it and his best football comes through the middle." I agree with this like, one reason to play him wide is to protect him, but that's a bollocks reason anyway. Marveaux should be played on the left... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pardsey on HBA: "My view is that he can't play out wide. He has not got the relish for it and his best football comes through the middle." I agree with this like, one reason to play him wide is to protect him, but that's a bollocks reason anyway. I think it's narrow-minded, personally. He was outstanding from the left against Everton away, as we all know. Of course he might be even better played centrally, which is a very exciting thought, but to say he "can't play wide" is wrong. There's nothing stopping him starting from a wide position and being given a bit of license to roam, for instance, like Obertan does at the minute. Not really arsed though, as I don't think many expected him to play wide anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pardsey on HBA: "My view is that he can't play out wide. He has not got the relish for it and his best football comes through the middle." I agree with this like, one reason to play him wide is to protect him, but that's a bollocks reason anyway. Marveaux should be played on the left... We get it man, we get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 starting from a wide position and being given a bit of license to roam, for instance, like Obertan does at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 starting from a wide position and being given a bit of license to roam, for instance, like Obertan does at the minute. Settle down Shirley, not saying I think he's any good at it, but he's often wandering over to the left/into the middle at times during games, even if Jonas is still out there, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Free role is the shit here. He'll floruish behind one of the strikers, I'm glad we're not playing him wide, plenty of cover there anyway. A little worried he won't even be in the match day squad for the weekend, going on those quotes from Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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