ED209 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 the replacement is already here - Alan Smith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 There are plenty of players that won't be snapped up or wanted by big teams who'd do a great job for us, if were worried about selling everyone who makes their mark, then at least we'd have a settled team, something I thought all of us by now don't take for granted anymore, as in our defence, and the stability it's brought to the XI and even the club itself. Guess chopping and changing is the way forward, must by watching a different game to others. This is bongling my head. So effectively you're saying it'd be better if our players weren't that good? Because then the top clubs wouldn't want them and we'd be a settled team? What would be the benefit of that then? There's a paradox here. Might as well hope we don't win too many matches. Yeah that's what I'm saying, you turning in to Wullie? Doing a very good impression of him. What I'm saying, to make it clear to the those in the cheap seats, is selling Tiote and replacing him with someone who we deem maybe not as glam as him wouldnt be the end of the world, at least we'd have continuity, I'm not saying fill the team with league 2 players, but let's not scoff at players who could do a job up to and beyond our level but are deemed not good enough for the very top clubs. Selling Carroll and replacing him with Ba springs to mind, no top club would want him, but he's a very good player for us. I think we could even get better than him and that player never be courted by the top clubs for whatever reason. I can't see how you can twist that, but the school of Wullie in you will no doubt find a way. 'TT wants us to buy loads ov shit coz we keep em, let sign smith for another 5 years' Not sure what Wullie's got to do with any of this, you've lost me there. How would selling one of our key players be a sign of continuity? We'd be back to hoping one of said players settled in with our club and his teammates. What do you mean by not as glam? Tiote was £3.5m from Twente, that's hardly glam is it? He's being talked up now because he's done well. Let's say we replace him with Diame and he does just as well for us as Tiote has, why wouldn't the top clubs be interested? Because he came from Wigan? Man United paid £16m for a Wigan player a few years ago. Replacing Carroll with Ba is looking like an astute move at present, but I can't understand why you would believe that if he continues to play games for us and ends up with 20 goals this season, the top clubs wouldn't be interested. The only way they wouldn't be interested in any player is if they're not that good. Really can't fathom your reasoning here, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Understand TT's plan, but think the risk involved is unnecessary/too damn high. The reliance placed on our scouting network to find bargain/untapped like-for-like replacements of crucial cogs in our team (Colos, Tiotes etc) would be too much. [/iMO] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'm not Dave's biggest fan but he's one hell of a poster compared to Wullie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Absolutely right Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? Spot on. We're supposed to believe that the sale of Andy Carroll helped us keep players like Tiote, and that £35m is being used within the club accordingly - not necessarily on transfer fees. But now it could also be acceptable to sell Tiote too? What the fuck? Someone on here was laughed at the other day for suggesting we should cash in on Coloccini now he's seemingly stalling on a new contract, and buy someone else with the money. I think he was taking the piss, but ultimately what's the difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? The sentiment is great, but it's not going to happen and to expect otherwise is simply false hope. The club are following a modified Ajax-model - buy low, improve the player's reputation, sell high, repeat. I don't think any player in the club is exempt from this and that will be the case as long as the current owners are in the driving seat. It's a gamble, especially in terms of finding the right replacements, but the silver lining is that if the players are performing well enough for the model to work, then our league position should at least reflect that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? Yep. Really don't think people understand quite how important this guy is. Some very strange comments in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest al.c Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I came on here a couple of weeks when I heard about the man utd stuff I was since told his agents is looking for houses in both London and Manchester, I never mentioned it because I was laughed off the forum and accused of being a mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Banter. It's probably your posts where this story comes from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 He's moving to London AND Manchester? Does that mean we'll get two transfer fees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? Because Ashley makes the decisions, if you asked every fan if they were the owner would they sell Tiote? 95% would say no. The point is we know what Ashley will do therefore at least if he is sold we have a good scouting system to try replace him as best as possible. Having said that, Tiote is on a long term contract and I wouldn't be thinking about selling in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest al.c Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Could be both it is tiote we are talking about, I am seeing the lad who told me this week he us the one who knows the agent - maybe ge is keeping his options open Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 No al.c. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The sentiment is great, but it's not going to happen and to expect otherwise is simply false hope. The club are following a modified Ajax-model - buy low, improve the player's reputation, sell high, repeat. I don't think any player in the club is exempt from this and that will be the case as long as the current owners are in the driving seat. It's a gamble, especially in terms of finding the right replacements, but the silver lining is that if the players are performing well enough for the model to work, then our league position should at least reflect that. I don't see how expecting to hold on to our better players should be seen as false hope. You don't have to sell players to increase revenue and it's just the easy way out for the club. If we increase our performances on the field then that should be reflected in our performance off the field. It’s been shown time after time that we’ve increased our income substantially when we’ve been doing well in the league and been playing in Europe. Getting to the quarter finals of the UEFA Cup would bring in something like £8 million a year and getting that far in that competition isn’t too difficult. We look to be very close to being able to take the step needed. Being in a league position to qualify would probably require a 6th place finish and that alone would bring in over £3 million when compared to where we finished last season. If we try to sell and buy constantly to increase our income then sooner or later it will go wrong and turn to shit. We will have to start showing some ambition if we're to avoind going backwards and now would be as good a time as any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Maybe Tiote is just building a property portfolio.I wouldn't put it past a lad with a lightbulb for a heed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't believe people seem happy to go along with the possibility of us selling Tiote who is one of the best players of his type that we've had since I've been watching us. If it was that easy to pick a Tiote up we'd have been doing it for years and we haven’t. If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? Yep. Really don't think people understand quite how important this guy is. Some very strange comments in here. I think most people know how good and important he is, however we are well aware of what our ownership will do if presented with a suitably high bid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The sentiment is great, but it's not going to happen and to expect otherwise is simply false hope. The club are following a modified Ajax-model - buy low, improve the player's reputation, sell high, repeat. I don't think any player in the club is exempt from this and that will be the case as long as the current owners are in the driving seat. It's a gamble, especially in terms of finding the right replacements, but the silver lining is that if the players are performing well enough for the model to work, then our league position should at least reflect that. I don't see how expecting to hold on to our better players should be seen as false hope. You don't have to sell players to increase revenue and it's just the easy way out for the club. If we increase our performances on the field then that should be reflected in our performance off the field. It’s been shown time after time that we’ve increased our income substantially when we’ve been doing well in the league and been playing in Europe. Getting to the quarter finals of the UEFA Cup would bring in something like £8 million a year and getting that far in that competition isn’t too difficult. We look to be very close to being able to take the step needed. Being in a league position to qualify would probably require a 6th place finish and that alone would bring in over £3 million when compared to where we finished last season. If we try to sell and buy constantly to increase our income then sooner or later it will go wrong and turn to shit. We will have to start showing some ambition if we're to avoind going backwards and now would be as good a time as any. We should start showing ambition, yes. Tell that Mike and Derek.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brendan_Rice Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Maybe Tiote is just building a property portfolio.I wouldn't put it past a lad with a lightbulb for a heed. Love that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 His current gaff is up for sale and has been for almost 6 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The sentiment is great, but it's not going to happen and to expect otherwise is simply false hope. The club are following a modified Ajax-model - buy low, improve the player's reputation, sell high, repeat. I don't think any player in the club is exempt from this and that will be the case as long as the current owners are in the driving seat. It's a gamble, especially in terms of finding the right replacements, but the silver lining is that if the players are performing well enough for the model to work, then our league position should at least reflect that. I don't see how expecting to hold on to our better players should be seen as false hope. You don't have to sell players to increase revenue and it's just the easy way out for the club. If we increase our performances on the field then that should be reflected in our performance off the field. It’s been shown time after time that we’ve increased our income substantially when we’ve been doing well in the league and been playing in Europe. Getting to the quarter finals of the UEFA Cup would bring in something like £8 million a year and getting that far in that competition isn’t too difficult. We look to be very close to being able to take the step needed. Being in a league position to qualify would probably require a 6th place finish and that alone would bring in over £3 million when compared to where we finished last season. If we try to sell and buy constantly to increase our income then sooner or later it will go wrong and turn to shit. We will have to start showing some ambition if we're to avoind going backwards and now would be as good a time as any. We'd need a far bigger and better squad to play in Europe mind, the cracks are already beginning to show this season without all those extra fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 His current gaff is up for sale and has been for almost 6 weeks. That's not his current house. He just moved into a new house in Jesmond 6 weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If we are going to progress then we’ll have to draw a line in the sand and say we’re not selling our best players and now is the time to do that while we’re on the up. We’re doing much better than anybody could have guessed 3 months ago, why not try to build on that instead of going for a profit that we’ll not see? But where do we progress to? Unless we get a sugar daddy in or one of the top four (and. Liverpool) lose their own or suffer a massive downturn, it's highly unlikely we'll be able to compete for a Champion's League spot for a long time. The Europa League is a joke of a tournament, and odds are a Champion's League drop-out (an absurd situation) will knock you out anyway. When we had champions only in the European Cup, the superb UEFA Cup and an FA Cup that was valued, progressing to something of value seemed realistic. Not now though. The abomination that is the expanded Champion's League has seen to that. And from a player perspective, again, the prospect of progressing to the Europa League or later rounds of the FA Cup is hardly enticing if you're talented. The expanded Champion's League has devalued the second tiers so much that any half decent player will not want to stick around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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