Hanshithispantz Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 And that somehow argues with anything im saying how ? I said your expectations are to high. Stoke defended well & we had to little in the box to aim for. Routledge isnt of the standard to pick out a single man often surrounded by 3 in the box. Not that many players are. Its down to Routledge to drift crosses in & our lads to get into dangerous positions. We didnt. Shoving up a stat about successful crosses doesnt prove he did much wrong, its useless. My argument has never been that Routlege is shit or that he 'did much wrong', it's been that he offers no more than Jonas does. But Jonas, unlike Routlege, is used as a scapegoat pretty much every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 And that somehow argues with anything im saying how ? I said your expectations are to high. Stoke defended well & we had to little in the box to aim for. Routledge isnt of the standard to pick out a single man often surrounded by 3 in the box. Not that many players are. Its down to Routledge to drift crosses in & our lads to get into dangerous positions. We didnt. Shoving up a stat about successful crosses doesnt prove he did much wrong, its useless. My argument has never been that Routlege is s*** or that he 'did much wrong', it's been that he offers no more than Jonas does. But Jonas, unlike Routlege, is used as a scapegoat pretty much every game. It's all about how it looks. Jonas' crosses are mainly terrible daisy-cutters whereas Routledge's get off the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 It's all about how it looks. Jonas' crosses are mainly terrible daisy-cutters whereas Routledge's get off the ground. Routledge hits the first defender far too often, in fact with most of his crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 It's all about how it looks. Jonas' crosses are mainly terrible daisy-cutters whereas Routledge's get off the ground. Routledge hits the first defender far too often, in fact with most of his crosses. I know but people don't mention his crosses so much because they actually get off the ground, they just look better than Jonas', even if it still reults in the same end-product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 You should probably check last season's stats. I'd imagine you'll feel a bit daft. I'd agree with you on this actually. This season's stats suggest Owen's better than Rooney. Owen for England tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 You should probably check last season's stats. I'd imagine you'll feel a bit daft. I'd agree with you on this actually. This season's stats suggest Owen's better than Rooney. Owen for England tbh. this seasons stats say he is our second top scorer with a goal every other game ratio......doesn't really tell the whole story though does it. one good thing is kevin nolan may prove to the stat freeks that stats really count for f*** all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 You should probably check last season's stats. I'd imagine you'll feel a bit daft. I'd agree with you on this actually. This season's stats suggest Owen's better than Rooney. Owen for England tbh. this seasons stats say he is our second top scorer with a goal every other game ratio......doesn't really tell the whole story though does it. one good thing is kevin nolan may prove to the stat freeks that stats really count for f*** all. That's the point I'm making. Jonas' stats are no different whether he's played in the Argentinian League, La Liga, Premier League or Championship so not sure how you can use goals and assists against him, because a lot of worse wingers will have better stats, but contribute not even half as much as he does in terms of running with the ball, relieving pressure, bringing the full-back into play, drawing defenders towards him, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 missed quite few chances in the last few games as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 We're 6 games into this season, the stats mean nothing at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 They've both done pretty poorly. What's your point? Looking at it logically, his point would seem to be that neither are going to make an impact at the top level... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 This isnt Routledges first crack at the premiership remember, he has failed to establish himself on several occasions. It shouldnt really come as a surprise that he isnt performing as well as he was in the Championship. The fact that he is older now aswell doesnt really work in his favour either. Having said that, i think its still a bit early to be writing him off of having an impact at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 We're 6 games into this season, the stats mean nothing at this point. Unless they back up one of your points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I meant specifically you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I know, slowmo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 People overreact so much to losses. Its embarassing. Routledge isnt suddenly a bad player who is scared of running at players man. He got several crosses in & ran past many a man. Your expectations are far to high. Defenders do have some say in the game also, teams can actually defend quite well. Our wingers not beating their man every single time they touch the ball isnt a disasterous mark on their ability, its normal. Nani doesnt beat 3 players and then whip in an inch perfect cross to the single Man U player in the box v 4 defenders. http://oi53.tinypic.com/slguhi.jpg sorry, slightly off topic, but where arethese stats from? Ive been looking for something like this for a little while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 For me Routlege plays well when he has a rediculas ammount of space to run into, if the games compact (like it was yesterday, to extreme ammounts like) he just doesn't seem to want to run at people. Routledge was set free into space on a few occasions against Everton in the second half, every time he ran TOWARDS the defender (usually the last man) and ended up holding the ball up or passing ti backwards. Thought he was supposed to be blessed with pace and trickery? Sticking my neck on the line here and making a judgement i might be wrong but dont think he is good enough for this division ,he has had a few games now and failed to impress me even against Villa when they were murdered i still thought he was our poorest player in that performance . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 People overreact so much to losses. Its embarassing. Routledge isnt suddenly a bad player who is scared of running at players man. He got several crosses in & ran past many a man. Your expectations are far to high. Defenders do have some say in the game also, teams can actually defend quite well. Our wingers not beating their man every single time they touch the ball isnt a disasterous mark on their ability, its normal. Nani doesnt beat 3 players and then whip in an inch perfect cross to the single Man U player in the box v 4 defenders. http://oi53.tinypic.com/slguhi.jpg sorry, slightly off topic, but where arethese stats from? Ive been looking for something like this for a little while. Sam Allardyce's personal wankbank, by all accounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 sorry, slightly off topic, but where arethese stats from? Ive been looking for something like this for a little while. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Nolans chalkboard is pretty bleak for someone supposedly playing off Carroll. 1 meaningful contribution in the entire game inside Stokes final 3rd. Unless you count his last minute miss....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I thought Nolan was s*** yesterday to be honest all round, the most memorable bit was when we we're set up to catch them half on the break with Nolan 'bursting' into there half, but 1 of the Stoke players made the ground up on him in about 3 seconds and he had to pull up to keep the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Routledge played 8 balls into the box and 0 found a man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Nolan Interceptions 0 Shots 2 (1pen) Passes 28 (10 failed) assists 0 Weight 88kg How does he start games for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Nolan Interceptions 0 Shots 2 (1pen) Passes 28 (10 failed) assists 0 Weight 88kg How does he start games for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Nolan Interceptions 0 Shots 2 (1pen) Passes 28 (10 failed) assists 0 Weight 88kg How does he start games for us? Of those passes only 6 were played forward in their half and i am being generous with 2 of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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