WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 No idea on the context to which it could be used, but can this be a smiley? http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/79/cnu7.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Has to be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Dude has put on some serious muscle since he first joined us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Dude has put on some serious muscle since he first joined us. Seems to be so and that might have taken away a significant part of his pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It should've had the opposite effect. He's just got slower with age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It should've had the opposite effect. He's just got slower with age. Agbonlahor bulked up on his upper body and lost pace. Steven Taylor had to lose similar to perform better. You can see Jonas is top-heavy. He's got too much muscle impacting on his speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I like Jonas, he hold an enormous value to this team, he's just not being used to his full potential. He should be a 15-20minute guy and give the younger ones leadership quality. He's just not good enough for 90 but could probably do a good job in central midfield since he can hold on to the ball well and drive it forward to waste time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Wish he was a devot Muslim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 His pace and his cunning used to be his best assets along with his workrate. Sadly with the loss of pace and refs catching up to his antics, they are no longer as effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It should've had the opposite effect. He's just got slower with age. Agbonlahor bulked up on his upper body and lost pace. Steven Taylor had to lose similar to perform better. You can see Jonas is top-heavy. He's got too much muscle impacting on his speed. Top heavy? He's wide shouldered but still very skinny with ripped arms. Taylor is top heavy admittedly but he had to lose weight because he lacks flexibility and tends to get injurred when his weight is up there. He was never that quick anyway but he's 30 now. Of course he's gonna be slower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He tore us a new one on his debut. What happened to that Gutiérrez? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He couldn't shoot, cross or pass then either, to be fair. The other attributes followed suit over time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Never understand why players lose pace when they put on a bit of muscle. Most sprinters look much more muscular. I could understand them not covering as much ground but the pace thing is strange, not many look like they are carrying Mr Universe type muscle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He tore us a new one on his debut. What happened to that Gutiérrez? He only played like that under Keegan for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Never understand why players lose pace when they put on a bit of muscle. Most sprinters look much more muscular. I could understand them not covering as much ground but the pace thing is strange, not many look like they are carrying Mr Universe type muscle I don't really think it's the cause, it's probably more something they do over time that corresponds to them slowing down a bit. As you say, there's no real reason someone as muscular as Jonas shouldn't also be fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Perhaps a combination of body/person not built to have both that type of muscle and speed? And the manner in which these muscle gains are added to these players are not monitored correctly so that it doesn't harm the players pace/flexibility? You see athletes in NFL or NBA build muscle but also increase their dynamic flexibility, acceleration and/or straight line speed. Perhaps the sport of football, and more or less OUR staff have been poor at this? Just wondering out loud I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Perhaps a combination of body/person not built to have both that type of muscle and speed? And the manner in which these muscle gains are added to these players are not monitored correctly so that it doesn't harm the players pace/flexibility? You see athletes in NFL or NBA build muscle but also increase their dynamic flexibility, acceleration and/or straight line speed. Perhaps the sport of football, and more or less OUR staff have been poor at this? Just wondering out loud I guess. Yeah, could be how the training is done and not enough focus being put on flexibility and explosiveness. But you would hope that wouldn't happen for a professional footballer... it might though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It should've had the opposite effect. He's just got slower with age. Agbonlahor bulked up on his upper body and lost pace. He came back from a summer break built like a brick shit house, and it definitely had an adverse effect. I understand Lambert told him to stop doing so much gym work at the start of last season. By the last third of the season, he was in excellent form. I know you can debate the causality, but I think you're right, it definitely had a bad effect on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It should've had the opposite effect. He's just got slower with age. Agbonlahor bulked up on his upper body and lost pace. He came back from a summer break built like a brick shit house, and it definitely had an adverse effect. I understand Lambert told him to stop doing so much gym work at the start of last season. By the last third of the season, he was in excellent form. I know you can debate the causality, but I think you're right, it definitely had a bad effect on him. If you focused mainly on upper body I can see how it would affect football. And obviously we are talking about people who are already pretty fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Footballers do seem to be doing more weights, rather like the thought of a Jan Molby or Hatem Ben Arfa larding it around still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Footballers do seem to be doing more weights, rather like the thought of a Jan Molby or Hatem Ben Arfa larding it around still. Franny Lee. Actually proper fat. Never a problem with him. Cruyff smoking on the bench. That sort of thing. That's what we need back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Footballers do seem to be doing more weights, rather like the thought of a Jan Molby or Hatem Ben Arfa larding it around still. Franny Lee. Actually proper fat. Never a problem with him. Cruyff smoking on the bench. That sort of thing. That's what we need back. Aye far too many athletes now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 This is defintely being over thought. He wasn't outpacing Championship full backs. He's just crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Never understand why players lose pace when they put on a bit of muscle. Most sprinters look much more muscular. I could understand them not covering as much ground but the pace thing is strange, not many look like they are carrying Mr Universe type muscle Not pace.... agility he was a lot more agile when he first joined and it allowed him to get past people a bit easier. He's lost all that now, you don't really lose pace unless your an utter moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Never understand why players lose pace when they put on a bit of muscle. Most sprinters look much more muscular. I could understand them not covering as much ground but the pace thing is strange, not many look like they are carrying Mr Universe type muscle Not pace.... agility he was a lot more agile when he first joined and it allowed him to get past people a bit easier. He's lost all that now, you don't really lose pace unless your an utter moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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