Disco Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 If anything the effort he put in last year looks even better now. Can't have been easy when you know you've been massively wronged, speaks volumes about the blokes character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 http://4c2lgc59e181vuma1n9bmo1c.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/assets/jonas-gutierrez-goal-celebration-hands-to-ears-west-ham-2015-newcastle-united-nufc-650x400.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 If anything the effort he put in last year looks even better now. Can't have been easy when you know you've been massively wronged, speaks volumes about the blokes character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Ha, go on yersel' Jonas! Hope he takes them to the f*cking cleaners.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Ha, go on yersel' Jonas! Hope he takes them to the f*cking cleaners.... I think the actual amount Jonas was claiming was £2m, shame the tribunal couldn't award more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Loves Geordies does Jonas. Just posted a tweet about us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36044285 Jonas Gutierrez wins Newcastle United discrimination tribunal case Midfielder Jonas Gutierrez was dropped by Newcastle United because of his cancer diagnosis, an employment tribunal has found. The 32-year-old was suing the Magpies for in the region of £2m on the grounds of disability discrimination. The tribunal also ruled the club made it impossible for Gutierrez to trigger an appearance-based contract extension. Claims of unfavourable treatment and another of harassment related to disability were dismissed. A further remedy hearing will be held in due course, in which compensation will be addressed. Gutierrez's claims Gutierrez, who joined Newcastle from Real Mallorca in 2008, was diagnosed with testicular cancer in October 2013. He had been a regular at St James' Park before that time, scoring 10 goals in 177 appearances at the time of the return of the illness and subsequent treatment. The Argentina international sued Newcastle over the way he was treated following his diagnosis and claimed the Premier League club saw him as a liability after he returned from treatment. Gutierrez, now playing for Deportivo La Coruna in Spain, also alleged that he was not selected for some of the second half of the 2014-15 season, when the Magpies avoided relegation on the final day of the campaign, so the club would not trigger an automatic one-year contract extension. The findings The tribunal found that Gutierrez was discriminated against following his diagnosis and subsequent return to fitness as it deemed he was considered part of the club's plans right up to the point of his absence. The ruling stated: Gutierrez "had maintained his place in the starting line-up without difficulty for five years." "Just over two weeks after the claimant returned to the club in November 2013 following his diagnosis and treatment, and at a point when he was match fit and returning to action he was told that he no longer featured in the club's future plans. We conclude that the decision to drop the claimant was because of the claimant's cancer." The tribunal also concluded that Gutierrez was not considered for selection following his return to fitness until he could not achieve the 80 Premier League starts required over the length of his four-year contract to trigger the extension. As a result of his absence because of cancer, Gutierrez had only 121 games instead of 152 to earn his extended deal and the club had discriminated against him by failing to make reasonable adjustments. The ruling stated: "It was in essence more difficult for the claimant to achieve the required number of games because in the periods of time that he was not absent for treatment or rehabilitation he had to be more frequently selected as a proportion of the total number of games available than his non disabled counterparts. We conclude that this was a substantial (more than minor or trivial) disadvantage." "Had the possibility of a triggering of the clause not been an issue then Mr Charnley [Newcastle managing director Lee] would not have needed to discuss it at all with Mr Carver [former manager John] and would not have needed to double check how close the claimant was to triggering the clause." Claims of unfavourable treatment were rejected, as his move to Norwich City on loan in January 2014 was consensual. A claim of harassment which related to Gutierrez training and playing with the under-21s was also dismissed as the tribunal ruled that many players, such as "Davide Santon, Siem de Jong and Gabriel Obertan" were required to do so to gain match fitness after injury. The witnesses Gutierrez was found to be a "credible and convincing witness". Former Newcastle boss Alan Pardew "was able to deliver his evidence in a confident, convincing and articulate way". However, "the detail of what was said was not necessarily as credible as the manner in which the evidence was delivered". Some of Pardew's evidence was deemed to be contradictory and "inconsistent". Managing director Charnley's evidence was described as "evasive and lacking in credibility". Parts of former Newcastle boss John Carver's evidence were "vague" and were "rejected". Newcastle's unconvincing evidence In August 2013, Newcastle's doctor club advised that Gutierrez, who was recovering from a hamstring injury, should be picked as a substitute "at the very most". Pardew had picked Gutierrez to play and told the hearing that he "did not understand" the doctor's advice, a claim the tribunal considered "improbable". Pardew was dismissive of the doctor's notes in Gutierrez's medical record, which read: "Somehow managed to start game against Manchester City. Managers decision, against medical advice." Charnley would not accept that Gutierrez was an established international player, despite winning 22 caps and playing at the 2010 World Cup for Argentina. Charnley "could not say" how many international players Newcastle had in their squad in September 2011. Charley said that Gutierrez's 71 starts in 76 games in 2011-12 and 2012-13 only "demonstrated someone who plays for the first team" and not consistent performance. Carver told the tribunal that Gutierrez "had a certain clause in his contract that if he reached a certain criteria". He later said there was no discussion about the clause and denied knowing what the "certain criteria" might be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 None of the three giving evidence appear to be very bright, do they. Inconsistencies left right and centre. Just as well really, otherwise they might have gotten away with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Well done Jonas, and once more SHAME on the club. And this.. Former Newcastle boss Alan Pardew "was able to deliver his evidence in a confident, convincing and articulate way". However, "the detail of what was said was not necessarily as credible as the manner in which the evidence was delivered". Some of Pardew's evidence was deemed to be contradictory and "inconsistent". Confirms beyond mere suspicion what a slimeball cunt this man is, even no longer affiliated with the club in any way he tries to protect them, (and himself probably), with a garbled submission. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Pardew really is a disgusting piece of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Love this chap, me. What a top, top bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Pardew really is a disgusting piece of shit. Nah it us obviously, deluded idiots that we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Loves Geordies does Jonas. Just posted a tweet about us Jonas Gutierrez @elgalgojonas · 1h1 hour ago I am a geordie thanks newcastle fans for your support. I love The city. I hope WE stay up. Come on The toon. Once a geordie always a geordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I don't understand the legality on how he's won? Did the tribunal sit down and watch his performances second half of that 12-13 season in particular and see how shit he was before the illness? (Read this thread, watch the first Mackems 0-3, etc). Clubs drop players if they have similar clauses of an extension if they don't want to retain them (see Green at QPR) for example. By the 13/14 season Gouffran had done ok to that point, we had Remy, Sissoko and Ben Arfa playing in his position, purely from a football perspective not the club acting cunts perspective, I don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Mike Ashleys cronies being proven to be full of bs, who would of thought? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I don't understand the legality on how he's won? Did the tribunal sit down and watch his performances second half of that 12-13 season in particular and see how s*** he was before the illness? (Read this thread, watch the first Mackems 0-3, etc). Clubs drop players if they have similar clauses of an extension if they don't want to retain them (see Green at QPR) for example. By the 13/14 season Gouffran had done ok to that point, we had Remy, Sissoko and Ben Arfa playing in his position, purely from a football perspective not the club acting c***s perspective, I don't get it. Because prior to his illness he was repeatedly selected. Which suggests they think he wasn't shite or playing shite. I suspect that's the main influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 We repeatedly played Steven Taylor until he got major injuries, does he have a case if he doesn't get a new contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Jonas Gutierrez @elgalgojonas 4m4 minutes ago How made a club Is The fans not The players not The board. Always in my heart geordie nation. I love you This guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Would bum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 We repeatedly played Steven Taylor until he got major injuries, does he have a case if he doesn't get a new contract? They're is probably insufficient evidence to state a claim for him. Given he is far more in and out of the team. 71 starts in 76 pretty much says he was one of the first names on the sheet... (Jonas) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Cunts!!! the fucking lot of them!!! Go Jonas!!!! Love the man!!! Hope his name gets sung loud and fucking proud on Saturday afternoon!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 c***s!!! the f***ing lot of them!!! Go Jonas!!!! Love the man!!! Hope his name gets sung loud and f***ing proud on Saturday afternoon!!! So do I. Some twats will boo it like, cause they're fucking spastics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 We didn't have Remy for that period, only had Sissoko & Gouffran for 4 months, and from memory Jonas was filling in for the likes of Cabaye in midfield when he was injured, left-back for the derby, etc. Just seems a dangerous precedent imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 We didn't have Remy for that period, only had Sissoko & Gouffran for 4 months, and from memory Jonas was filling in for the likes of Cabaye in midfield when he was injured, left-back for the derby, etc. Just seems a dangerous precedent imo. If I'm honest; I feel like everyone has it in for Ashley at present and each little story such as this is another chink in his armour. Had this been at a club like Norwich he probably wouldn't have won. It seems the details above probably weren't considered and / or weren't sufficient to question his availability or selection. It is a dangerous precedent but I'm chuffed he won. He was a top professional and is a top bloke. A player I was proud to have representing us as fans, as he quite clearly gets it. Far more than 99% of the current shower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Reminds me why im praying for us to get relegated , continually , until Ashley leaves .... Evil bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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