EthiGeordie Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Big blow if he goes out on the Christmas period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Big blow if he goes out on the Christmas period. That's harsh, the lad deserves a few beers on Christmas Eve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Along with quite a few other in the squad, Gutierrez hasn't performed that well this season. On paper we have a lot of cover in Jonas' position in Marveaux, Sammy Ameobi, Obertan, Ferguson and maybe Amalfitano (having said that, Sammy currently has a hamstring injury and Amalfitano went off with an ankle 'knock' in the under 21s game). Hopefully whoever covers for Jonas steps up to the plate and takes their chance. They might not put in as much work as Jonas but they would probably create more going forward. Depends what you see his position as. I do like him in a central three, using his strength to carry the ball forward. He's one of very few who never look for the long ball and we need that at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 He's still essentially a poor substitute for a box-to-box player in that role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Along with quite a few other in the squad, Gutierrez hasn't performed that well this season. On paper we have a lot of cover in Jonas' position in Marveaux, Sammy Ameobi, Obertan, Ferguson and maybe Amalfitano (having said that, Sammy currently has a hamstring injury and Amalfitano went off with an ankle 'knock' in the under 21s game). Hopefully whoever covers for Jonas steps up to the plate and takes their chance. They might not put in as much work as Jonas but they would probably create more going forward. Depends what you see his position as. I do like him in a central three, using his strength to carry the ball forward. He's one of very few who never look for the long ball and we need that at the moment. If Jonas is counted as a central player then we don't have much cover for him. Tiote, Bigi and Anita play a similar role to each other. Cabaye is the only attacking, central midfielder. We don't have anyone to cover Cabaye's role if Cabaye is out. Gosling is injured and when he isn't he hasn't really impressed. That's one of the reasons I'd like us to buy an attacking central midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 The injury is a shame for squad depth and for the great man himself. Can't say I'm gutted to see him out of the first XI though, I'm curious to see what happens next. Maybe we can make lemonade from this lemon. Get well soon, Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 The injury is a shame for squad depth and for the great man himself. Can't say I'm gutted to see him out of the first XI though, I'm curious to see what happens next. Maybe we can make lemonade from this lemon. Get well soon, Jonas Pretty much this. It's shit for Gutierrez but it gives someone else an extended run in the team. It's not like we're going to be playing with ten men because he's out, someone will come in and we'll have to get on with it. No point whinging about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Hopefully we'll get to see a Tiote Anita Cabaye for a few games and see how it works out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 As a few others have said I feel bad for him but but I'm interested to see what this leads to in terms of our first eleven. Get well soon Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It'll be : Ferguson Tiote Cabaye Ben Arfa Can't see anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It'll be : Ferguson Tiote Cabaye Ben Arfa Can't see anything else. At least it'll give us some natural width, if nothing else. Ferguson's looked totally out of his depth in both PL games he's started this season, but if Pardew puts faith in him, i think we'll see him grow into it. He can reach the byline on his stronger foot, so that'll be a novelty. His crossing from deep is good as well. If it's 4-4-2, he'd be my first choice for the left-wing in Jonas' absence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It'll be : Ferguson Tiote Cabaye Ben Arfa Can't see anything else. At least it'll give us some natural width, if nothing else. Ferguson's looked totally out of his depth in both PL games he's started this season, but if Pardew puts faith in him, i think we'll see him grow into it. He can reach the byline on his stronger foot, so that'll be a novelty. His crossing from deep is good as well. If it's 4-4-2, he'd be my first choice for the left-wing in Jonas' absence. Agree. There is also a chance we might have a go at 4-3-3, with Obertan Sammy or Marv further up the pitch in his place. Nah, who am I kidding? 4-4-2 with Fergie coming in. We'll lose Jonas' workrate and ball carrying ability, but we'll almost certainly create more going forward whoever comes in. We've got so many left footers in reserve, it'd be good actually have some width down that flank as you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 The injury is a shame for squad depth and for the great man himself. Can't say I'm gutted to see him out of the first XI though, I'm curious to see what happens next. Maybe we can make lemonade from this lemon. Get well soon, Jonas Pretty much my thoughts too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bX5wlGlDIQs/T4YSYW3jDuI/AAAAAAAAA7Y/Qm4UydKRYaQ/s200/mick-mccarthy.gif 'Sister you say?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Along with quite a few other in the squad, Gutierrez hasn't performed that well this season. On paper we have a lot of cover in Jonas' position in Marveaux, Sammy Ameobi, Obertan, Ferguson and maybe Amalfitano (having said that, Sammy currently has a hamstring injury and Amalfitano went off with an ankle 'knock' in the under 21s game). Hopefully whoever covers for Jonas steps up to the plate and takes their chance. They might not put in as much work as Jonas but they would probably create more going forward. Depends what you see his position as. I do like him in a central three, using his strength to carry the ball forward. He's one of very few who never look for the long ball and we need that at the moment. The main problem with him this season is that he's been far, far too deep in that role though. He can't really use any of his good attributes if he's always starting off just outside his own penalty area. His best games in the middle I have seen are where he is allowed to get forward and carry the ball like you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 we would be better off playing his sister atm anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 At lease he back for Southampton game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He should not come back into the side unless it's as part of a midfield 3, he's had a crap season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He should not come back into the side unless it's as part of a midfield 3, he's had a crap season. Get away man, he's one of our senior players and the vice captain. He'll be straight back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He should not come back into the side unless it's as part of a midfield 3, he's had a crap season. Get away man, he's one of our senior players and the vice captain. He'll be straight back in. I know he'll be straight back in but he simply shouldn't be, he's been poor all year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Midfield has looked far inferior without him tbh. We've lacked his presence, workrate and ability to get the ball from one place to another without launching it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Midfield has looked far inferior without him tbh. We've lacked his presence, workrate and ability to get the ball from one place to another without launching it. I agree with this 100%, he's essential to the team and even more so if Cabaye is out for 6 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Despite his lack of being able to produce from an attacking standpoint - would anyone consider him in advanced role ahead of say Anita/Bigi & Tiote? IE: He is competing with Marv in this role? I only say that b/c perhaps he gets so knackered playing up & down the pitch, if he either concentrates on 1 end, he may end up returning to form. Normally I'd say play him more defensively but I'd rather see Anita develop into the role. I'm certain It'll be shot down Also: this assumes we play 4-3-3, which fuck it- we don't and won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think I'd rather have Obertan in an advanced role ahead of Jonas. Both are clueless going forward. If Jonas have to play it has to be in a 3 man midfield in a ball retaining role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Fair enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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