Foluwashola Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Obviously everyone would prefer it if diving was removed from the game. Am I ashamed when/if a Newcastle player dives to win a penalty? Am I f***. Would you prefer if diving was removed though? If so, can't see how you can fail to object to any player doing it. In an ideal world, obviously I'd rather it wasn't part of the game. Diving is never going to be completely eradicated however, and although it may make me a bad person, I would take great delight in Newcastle benefiting from a well executed dive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Obviously everyone would prefer it if diving was removed from the game. Am I ashamed when/if a Newcastle player dives to win a penalty? Am I f***. Would you prefer if diving was removed though? If so, can't see how you can fail to object to any player doing it. In an ideal world, obviously I'd rather it wasn't part of the game. Diving is never going to be completely eradicated however, and although it may make me a bad person, I would take great delight in Newcastle benefiting from a well executed dive. it'll never be completly eradicated but steps could be taken to limit and other things like screaming at the ref etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 If it was absolutely, completely, blatantly 100% cheating, then yes, the victory would be tainted IMO. PS - the classic definition of gamesmanship is 'the art of winning without actually cheating' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 To be honest we've waited ages for a proper trophy and it might take even longer til the next. Gerrard cheats every week and nothing ever gets done. I'd take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 It would bother me. this- except it would bother me Less than ,never having seen us win a pot to piss in, bothers me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Did it bother "Nature Boy" Ric Flair when he cheated to win his world championships? Of course not. http://www.gifsoup.com/view/155630/ric-flair-woooooo-o.gif (in all seriousness, I would be a bit troubled but ultimately doubt that it would prevent me from being orgasmic over the cup win) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I honestly would not care how we won. Things like this will go for us and against us. It is part of sport. Most every game has some form gamesmanship. Almost everyone on these forum has participated in gamesmanship while playing a sport. I would be euphoric if we won in this manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Baba is a bad person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 A certain amount of 'gamesmanship' is obviously OK, like a forward using his experience to force the defender into fouling him to get a high ball. That's normal. What we're talking about is diving, basically throwing yourself to the ground when your opponent has done nothing to put you there. IMO that's not acceptable, and I would criticise my own players for doing it just as much as opponents. If you don't care about how you win, you may as well advocate bribing opponents and officials, or popping some laxatives in their water bottles before the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 If you don't care about how you win, you may as well advocate bribing opponents and officials, or popping some laxatives in their water bottles before the match. Not really. Diving is more deception than outright cheating. In the end, it's up to the referee to give the decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I would be ashamed, but at the same time, we've won the FA Cup, it'd only be mild shame. If we blatantly deserved the win based on our performance I'd try and rationalise it in that sense too, claiming just rewards etc just to make me feel a bit better about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I think I'd prefer it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I'd celebrate just the same as if we scored any other goal. Anyone who wouldn't celebrate/would feel ashamed if we won the FA Cup, regardless of the method of victory, is a fooking mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 It would depend a bit on the game. If, earlier on, some crucial decisions had unfairly gone against us -- pen not awarded or something -- then I'd probably regard it as poetic justice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 why dont we rename the thread...."is cheating OK"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Basically it's a question, FA Cup or playing fairly. FA Cup anyday, too many teams have players more than willing to take a tumble so wouldn't bother me one bit if it won us this. Wouldn't like it to happen in most other less important games though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I'd be disappointed with the player but i'd still be happy to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Styeven Taylor took a blatant dive to win us a pen last time we played sunderland. blatent dive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Mackem keeps going on about that game - a) the dive and b) iirc, Chopra (he fucking hated him after this) somehow failing to pick out Jones to make it 2-1. "FUCKING MAG!" were his words, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 If you don't care about how you win, you may as well advocate bribing opponents and officials, or popping some laxatives in their water bottles before the match. Not really. Diving is more deception than outright cheating. In the end, it's up to the referee to give the decision. Eh? Deception is outright cheating. If at the end of the day it's up to people to find out when you've done something wrong, you could get into all sorts of stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonnyameobi Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Could'nt give a flying Fuck. He could punch the ball in for all I care Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 I'd be ashamed of the victory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 It seemed to work for one D.Maradona in 1986 - Argentina went on to win a WC after his 'Hand of God' goal against England... Cannot condone cheating but International Football seems to be based on it. You would need to supply a lot more examples than that to justify that conclusion. Are you old enough to remember the fiasco of some of the decisions affecting S.Korea in 2002 ? I am sure the Spaniards & Italians would have great pleasure in reminding you... Then we have Blatter's pig-headed insistence that Video technology cannot be used in the WC despite both Tennis and Rugby using it.. The match-fixing scandals of Germany and Italy, the latter getting Juve relegated by the Italian FA... You probably aren't old enough to remember Trelford Mills, ref at our FA Cup game back in 83....denied us 2 clear-cut pens... Etc., Etc...... Is that enough for you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GeordieAce Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 It seemed to work for one D.Maradona in 1986 - Argentina went on to win a WC after his 'Hand of God' goal against England... Cannot condone cheating but International Football seems to be based on it. You would need to supply a lot more examples than that to justify that conclusion. Are you old enough to remember the fiasco of some of the decisions affecting S.Korea in 2002 ? I am sure the Spaniards & Italians would have great pleasure in reminding you... Then we have Blatter's pig-headed insistence that Video technology cannot be used in the WC despite both Tennis and Rugby using it.. The match-fixing scandals of Germany and Italy, the latter getting Juve relegated by the Italian FA... You probably aren't old enough to remember Trelford Mills, ref at our FA Cup game back in 83....denied us 2 clear-cut pens... Etc., Etc...... Is that enough for you ? also see suarez at the last world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 It seemed to work for one D.Maradona in 1986 - Argentina went on to win a WC after his 'Hand of God' goal against England... Cannot condone cheating but International Football seems to be based on it. You would need to supply a lot more examples than that to justify that conclusion. Are you old enough to remember the fiasco of some of the decisions affecting S.Korea in 2002 ? I am sure the Spaniards & Italians would have great pleasure in reminding you... Then we have Blatter's pig-headed insistence that Video technology cannot be used in the WC despite both Tennis and Rugby using it.. The match-fixing scandals of Germany and Italy, the latter getting Juve relegated by the Italian FA... You probably aren't old enough to remember Trelford Mills, ref at our FA Cup game back in 83....denied us 2 clear-cut pens... Etc., Etc...... Is that enough for you ? As a case that "international football is based on cheating" it is, frankly, laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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