De Jong

[Exiled in Texas]

Asking the referees to step up and call more Red Cards is extremely unlikely to happen.  That's like asking referees to call more Penalties (and that includes those against Man Utd at OT).  It's hard enough for a referee to determine a clear stonewall penalty case in the first place, let alone call marginal ones that will decide the games.  Can you imagine what Fergie would do to a referee that called a PK to "Make a Point".

 

It's tough enough as it is to be a referee and call a fair/honest game (which clearly will not please both sides). The disciplinary reviews should be taken offline and done by a video review panel - one that does not have to go back in the middle of OT in a weeks time.

 

The NFL manages to handle incidents that are missed by the referee but are determined to be dangerous by a review panel, so it about having the will to do something about it, because the way is obvious.

why ? they done it with tackles from behind, professional fouls and some hand balls and the rules are already in place for them to do it as many of the refs asked about the incident have said it was a foul.

 

So why aren't there more red card today already?  Because, they are game changing events that get's the referee blamed for ruining/changing the game regardless of the fact that they were deserved or not.

 

Assuming that the ref had a clearer view of De Jong tackle and now the game is played with city down a player for 86 minutes.  You would have the pundits and media and fans saying that the game was ruined by an card-happy ref. (Think what the WC final would have been like if the Dutch were down 2 player within 20 mins - Webbs fault or Dutch player fault.)

 

Yes, it shoudl happen more often. But there needs to be some push from the FA by dealing with tackles that were missed to show that more tackles should be dealt with.

[madras]

Asking the referees to step up and call more Red Cards is extremely unlikely to happen.  That's like asking referees to call more Penalties (and that includes those against Man Utd at OT).  It's hard enough for a referee to determine a clear stonewall penalty case in the first place, let alone call marginal ones that will decide the games.  Can you imagine what Fergie would do to a referee that called a PK to "Make a Point".

 

It's tough enough as it is to be a referee and call a fair/honest game (which clearly will not please both sides). The disciplinary reviews should be taken offline and done by a video review panel - one that does not have to go back in the middle of OT in a weeks time.

 

The NFL manages to handle incidents that are missed by the referee but are determined to be dangerous by a review panel, so it about having the will to do something about it, because the way is obvious.

why ? they done it with tackles from behind, professional fouls and some hand balls and the rules are already in place for them to do it as many of the refs asked about the incident have said it was a foul.

 

So why aren't there more red card today already?  Because, they are game changing events that get's the referee blamed for ruining/changing the game regardless of the fact that they were deserved or not.

 

Assuming that the ref had a clearer view of De Jong tackle and now the game is played with city down a player for 86 minutes.  You would have the pundits and media and fans saying that the game was ruined by an card-happy ref. (Think what the WC final would have been like if the Dutch were down 2 player within 20 mins - Webbs fault or Dutch player fault.)

 

Yes, it shoudl happen more often. But there needs to be some push from the FA by dealing with tackles that were missed to show that more tackles should be dealt with.

i'll bet you'll find there are far more red cards today than there was in the 70's or 80's.

[Skirge]

FIFA should just make a simple rule... break a players leg and you are banned for as long as your victim is out with the injury.

 

That would make the fkers think before flying in.

[Heron]

That would be a stupid rule tbf.

[Skirge]

That would be a stupid rule tbf.

 

Maybe but make it and I bet it never has to be enforced.

[Heron]

That would be a stupid rule tbf.

 

Maybe but make it and I bet it never has to be enforced.

 

I understand where you're coming from - but then it's leaning very towards a non-contact sport having those sort of rules.

[Paully]

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NIGEL de Jong is yet to apologise to Hatem Ben Arfa – almost a week after his tackle put him in hospital.

 

And Ben Arfa's representative, Simon Stainrod, has dismissed reports the winger had rejected a plea from the Manchester City midfielder to see him in hospital.

 

Stainrod says the only contact from the club has been from City's North East-born football administrator Brian Marwood, who had been keen to visit the on-loan winger himself.

 

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De Jong's continued silence on his challenge in last Sunday's 2-1 defeat at Eastlands has drawn heavy criticism.

 

And Stainrod is insistent he's unaware of any attempt from de Jong to visit the 23-year-old, who is now recuperating in Newcastle after a successful operation on a double fracture of his left leg.

 

"There's been no contact – de Jong hasn't been in touch at all," Stainrod told the Gazette.

 

"Brian Marwood – who is a top-class professional person – sent a note saying everyone at Manchester City wished him a speedy recovery, and a gift, but that's it.

 

"A visit from de Jong wasn't put to him. Brian wanted to visit, but he was on morphine at the time."

 

Asked if Ben Arfa would have seen him during his stay in Manchester Royal Infirmary, Stainrod added: "It's very difficult to answer that – I can't speak for Hatem.

 

"But the facts of the matter are he hasn't been in touch, and he hasn't apologised. Brian Marwood's been in touch, but not de Jong, who is the one who broke his leg."

 

De Jong's challenge, which saw the damage done by his trailing leg, has fuelled the debate which had already been raging over some of the tackles seen in the Premier League this season.

 

And former professional Stainrod, best known for his long association with Queens Park Rangers, has backed United's tough stance, the club having demanded action from the Football Association.

 

"I played football professionally for 20 years, and know the difference between a dangerous and malicious tackle, and one that isn't," added Stainrod.

 

"Newcastle United are absolutely right in what they did. I've spoken to people in European football who are dumbfounded that he got away with it.

 

"I'm also outraged that there are people on TV who have played the game have said it was just a heavy challenge. Tackles like that endanger people's careers."

 

As the FA considers Newcastle's letter, Ben Arfa has sought advice from former Sunderland striker Djibril Cisse, a team-mate of his from Olympique Marseille.

 

Cisse twice fought back from serious leg breaks, and Ben Arfa has drawn inspiration from him.

 

"He came out of hospital on Thursday night, and he's back at his flat in Newcastle," said Stainrod.

 

"He knows what he's got to do, and I think it's helped him that he's friends with Djibril Cisse. He had the same injury, and it took him five months to be back on the pitch.

 

"Hatem's got to work on it, and nobody knows better than Djibril, as he's done it twice.

 

"What will benefit Hatem is the work he'll do on his upper body, and it'll give him mental strength.

 

"When you don't have an injury like that, you don't know what the mental anguish is like. You appreciate what you've got. He'll be back fitter and stronger."

[Guest elbee909]

Simon Stainrod?!?

[1878]

People should lay off De Jong. It's obvious he feels he's got something to prove after being named "Nigel".

 

If I was called that I'd probably be going round one punching randoms at the bus stop.

[Skirge]

About to mentioned on SSN now... well using Danny Murphy's out bust to start the debate

[Dr.Spaceman]

What outburst?

[James]

Simon Stainrod?!?

 

Ex-pro, used to play in France, we've hired him as Hatem's minder.

[Skirge]

What outburst?

 

you must have seen what he had too day about managers sending out their players to pumped up, mentioned Stoke, Wolves and Blackburn

[cp40]

Marseille to sue de Jong over tackleSun, 10 Oct 17:35:00 2010

 

Marseille are planning legal action against Manchester City midfielder Nigel de Jong over the tackle which broke Hatem Ben Arfa's leg.

 

..The France midfielder, who is on a season-long loan at Newcastle from the Mediterranean club, was ruled out for the bulk of that period after having his tibia and fibula broken by the Dutchman's challenge last Sunday.

 

And Ben Arfa's parent club have responded angrily, with president Jean-Claude Dassier telling French television programme Telefoot: "We will file a claim against De Jong. It's about getting rid of this type of individual from European grounds."

 

De Jong escaped sanction at the time but has since been dropped from the Holland squad as punishment, with coach Bert van Marwijk saying: "It was a wild and unnecessary offence. He went in much too hard.

 

"I have a problem with the way Nigel needlessly looks to push the limit. I am going to speak to him."

 

Dassier also promised to offer support to the winger in his recovery, saying: "Ben Arfa asked our medical staff to help and we will do everything we can to help him, obviously

 

 

 

edit- already posted in the hba thread I see.

[Dave]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8056473/Manchester-City-midfielder-Nigel-de-Jong-escapes-FA-action-over-Hatem-Ben-Arfa-tackle.html

"We have responded to Newcastle and our position is that we have no jurisdiction to take retrospective action," a spokesman for the FA told Telegraph Sport.

 

"The basic premise of the laws of the game is that a referee makes a decision and there is no retrospective action permitted.

 

"The referee saw the incident, dealt with it at the time and we can not take retrospective action."

[thomas]

dealt wit- ... what? 

[cubaricho]

I can appreciate the sentiment but fuck me that still sucks.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We knew that already though, and so did NUFC. The whole thing was pointless basically, except to express our anger.

[madras]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8056473/Manchester-City-midfielder-Nigel-de-Jong-escapes-FA-action-over-Hatem-Ben-Arfa-tackle.html

"We have responded to Newcastle and our position is that we have no jurisdiction to take retrospective action," a spokesman for the FA told Telegraph Sport.

 

"The basic premise of the laws of the game is that a referee makes a decision and there is no retrospective action permitted.

 

"The referee saw the incident, dealt with it at the time and we can not take retrospective action."

see "ben thatcher"

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Well lets hope that we follow this one up in the courts as well - and maybe even the Atkinson one too.

 

It's not good to see football in the courts, but if it takes one case like this to sort Fifa and the FA out then its for the greater good of the game in the long run

[Shak]

It's a strange rule really, seems to work on the premise that the referee is infallible.

 

Nothing will happen to De Jong in the end, he'll go on as he has before and will continue to make a very good living playing the way he does.

[Mr Logic]

"The basic premise of the laws of the game is that a referee makes a decision and there is no retrospective action permitted.

 

Daft, that needs sorting. It was a cowardly decision by someone sometime ago and it needs to be changed, it's wrong on so many levels.

[nobby_solano]

what would be fantastic would be if l'OM sue de jong for a few bob and that drives down the transfer fee we have to pay for ben arfa 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's a strange rule really, seems to work on the premise that the referee is infallible.

 

Well it works on the principal that the referee should be 'infallible' in practice, and that his decisions aren't open to constant questioning and undermining by pissed off managers.

 

I actually agree with that principle... the problem is that these days we all see when a decision is wrong anyway. 

[Shak]

Seems a massive contradiction that referees get graded on their performance and can be demoted or promoted to higher/lower leagues based on what they get right or wrong in a game.

 

But then someone has his career seriously jeopardised by some thug and they're powerless to act, just because some useless referee saw the incident at the time and was too incompetent to take the appropriate action.