De Jong

[Kaizero]

Just saw it for the 1st time since watching & rewinding on ESPN......NASTY.

 

Key: De Jong rompe tibia e perone a Ben Arfa in ManCity-Newcastle http://wlaseriea.altervista.org/ into Youtube if you want another look.

 

 

Do you know where I can see the aftermath? i'd like to see the hand slapping of De Jong and Milner while HBA is on the deck.

 

Why do you want to see something that will make you so angry you might break whatever you're watching it on?

[Guest Pedro_de_geordieo]

Because I only seen it the once and want to try and believe my eyes

[OzzieMandias]

I don't normally like James Lawton, but...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-de-jong-has-crossed-the-line-this-time-ndash-the-fa-must-now-kick-danger-men-off-the-park-2097669.html

[Benwell Lad]

Baba- quite simply a load of nonsense.

 

Football can continue to bury its head in the sand but until stronger action is taken, we will continue to see the likes of Ben Arfa, Ramsay and Eduardo (players that make the game exciting) kicked to pieces by spoilers with no deterrent other than a piffling 3 match ban

It's not a load of nonsense, man. You all have gone mad. It's a bad tackle that has caused a bad injury. Fine. This is understood. People's legs are broken on the pitch all of the time. We can increase the penalties for bad tackles within football. This is acceptable It's the same as charging a racing car pilot with murder because he made a bad move that led to a deadly accident. This would be madness. Football is not the same as walking on the street, and there are inherent risks when you walk on the pitch. You don't call the police after every incident. That is literal insanity. The only way police could get involved is if there is an incident that is far separated from what is part of football. De Jong's tackle was not that. 

 

The game itself is "policed" by the referee, and the sport by the FA. They should deal severely with intended acts of violence which cause serious injury.

When they fail in their duties to do so, there is no reason why the victims should not turn to common law to obtain justice and recompense for loss of earnings/investment etc.

If this does go legal then it will be the fault of a very dodgy referee and an incompetent FA to deal with it properly in house.

[nobby_solano]

i think something like a 10-12 game ban and a £250,000 fine isn't too much to ask for. severe enough but not taking the piss

[Guest elbee909]

so, not a word from De Jong himself anywhere?   is there some place where we can call him out, perhaps a fb page or summat?  flush the b****** out & force him to at least apologise!  

 

This is his twitter but looks like he's not been on for some time

 

http://twitter.com/#!/DeJong_NL10

 

Yeah.  Sadly he went to sit down at his computer and it mysteriously broke into many pieces.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Baba- quite simply a load of nonsense.

 

Football can continue to bury its head in the sand but until stronger action is taken, we will continue to see the likes of Ben Arfa, Ramsay and Eduardo (players that make the game exciting) kicked to pieces by spoilers with no deterrent other than a piffling 3 match ban

It's not a load of nonsense, man. You all have gone mad. It's a bad tackle that has caused a bad injury. Fine. This is understood. People's legs are broken on the pitch all of the time. We can increase the penalties for bad tackles within football. This is acceptable It's the same as charging a racing car pilot with murder because he made a bad move that led to a deadly accident. This would be madness. Football is not the same as walking on the street, and there are inherent risks when you walk on the pitch. You don't call the police after every incident. That is literal insanity. The only way police could get involved is if there is an incident that is far separated from what is part of football. De Jong's tackle was not that. 

 

The game itself is "policed" by the referee, and the sport by the FA. They should deal severely with intended acts of violence which cause serious injury.

When they fail in their duties to do so, there is no reason why the victims should not turn to common law to obtain justice and recompense for loss of earnings/investment etc.

If this does go legal then it will be the fault of a very dodgy referee and an incompetent FA to deal with it properly in house.

 

I'm also fairly sure that if a F1 driver made a deliberate move that put another driver in hospital or worse then he wouldn't be racing for a long time.

 

The key is the intent behind the move, if De Jong and Ben Arfa were going for a 50:50 and their legs got caught together then its an accident. Mark Webbers impression of Superman in a car earlier this season was an accident.

 

However, De Jong went in to put Ben Arfa out of this particular game either mentally or physically. We've all been in games where the manager has said to rough up the keeper, or 'keep the little quick un quiet'. He went too far in this, it was a deliberate act and he should be punished.

[jdckelly]

i don't normally like townsend and this has not changed my opinion at all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1318056/Andy-Townsends-insight-Bert-van-Marwijks-disgrace-dropping-De-Jong.html

[Skeletor]

i don't normally like townsend and this has not changed my opinion at all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1318056/Andy-Townsends-insight-Bert-van-Marwijks-disgrace-dropping-De-Jong.html

 

Plus he still looks like a lesbian

[madras]

interesting that i dont think any ref or refs rep has had their say on this. They are normally pretty quick to defend their own if they think they are right.

[Village Idiot]

i don't normally like townsend and this has not changed my opinion at all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1318056/Andy-Townsends-insight-Bert-van-Marwijks-disgrace-dropping-De-Jong.html

 

To be honest I think the gist of it it's right: Van Marwijk is a hypocrite.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

i don't normally like townsend and this has not changed my opinion at all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1318056/Andy-Townsends-insight-Bert-van-Marwijks-disgrace-dropping-De-Jong.html

 

The thing with blokes like Townsend is if it was Rooney sitting in hospital with a broken leg and we were a month away from the World Cup his opinion would be completely different.

[cp40]

Opinions are relative to likelyhood club will qualify for champions league.

[Kimbo]

The refs have had their say, Graham Poll ofcourse, Dermot Gallagher was on talksport saying it was a foul, and Jeff Winter wrote this on his website.

 

At Eastlands we did see a bad injury as Newcastle United’s Ben Arfa suffered a broken leg in two places following a challenge by Manchester City’s Nigel De Jong. The ref, Martin Atkinson, did not even penalise the player. Toon manager Chris Hughton described it as a challenge that he need not have made.

 

I would argue he had every right to make a challenge, but not one where he threw him into, winning the ball but with no option other than for his trailing leg to clatter into the player which led to the nasty injury sustained.

 

Whilst the silence has been deafening from Eastlands and from our own domestic FA, it was pleasing to see that Holland manger Bert van Marwijk has publicly condemned the challenge and announced that as a result of it, De Jong will not be in the Dutch squad for the forthcoming internationals.

 

Sooner or later refs, the authorities and the players union will outlaw these type of challenges. No one wanted to stop tackling, that in itself just leads to more shirt tugging, but the two feet off the ground kamikaze tackles have to be stopped.

 

 

I'm yet to hear a ref come out in support of De Jong.

[timeEd32]

Baba- quite simply a load of nonsense.

 

Football can continue to bury its head in the sand but until stronger action is taken, we will continue to see the likes of Ben Arfa, Ramsay and Eduardo (players that make the game exciting) kicked to pieces by spoilers with no deterrent other than a piffling 3 match ban

It's not a load of nonsense, man. You all have gone mad. It's a bad tackle that has caused a bad injury. Fine. This is understood. People's legs are broken on the pitch all of the time. We can increase the penalties for bad tackles within football. This is acceptable It's the same as charging a racing car pilot with murder because he made a bad move that led to a deadly accident. This would be madness. Football is not the same as walking on the street, and there are inherent risks when you walk on the pitch. You don't call the police after every incident. That is literal insanity. The only way police could get involved is if there is an incident that is far separated from what is part of football. De Jong's tackle was not that. 

 

The game itself is "policed" by the referee, and the sport by the FA. They should deal severely with intended acts of violence which cause serious injury.

When they fail in their duties to do so, there is no reason why the victims should not turn to common law to obtain justice and recompense for loss of earnings/investment etc.

If this does go legal then it will be the fault of a very dodgy referee and an incompetent FA to deal with it properly in house.

 

I'm also fairly sure that if a F1 driver made a deliberate move that put another driver in hospital or worse then he wouldn't be racing for a long time.

 

The key is the intent behind the move, if De Jong and Ben Arfa were going for a 50:50 and their legs got caught together then its an accident. Mark Webbers impression of Superman in a car earlier this season was an accident.

 

However, De Jong went in to put Ben Arfa out of this particular game either mentally or physically. We've all been in games where the manager has said to rough up the keeper, or 'keep the little quick un quiet'. He went too far in this, it was a deliberate act and he should be punished.

 

Yes, but you could never prove intent on a tackle unless the player admitted it.

[Neil]

The refs have had their say, Graham Poll ofcourse, Dermot Gallagher was on talksport saying it was a foul, and Jeff Winter wrote this on his website.

 

At Eastlands we did see a bad injury as Newcastle United’s Ben Arfa suffered a broken leg in two places following a challenge by Manchester City’s Nigel De Jong. The ref, Martin Atkinson, did not even penalise the player. Toon manager Chris Hughton described it as a challenge that he need not have made.

 

I would argue he had every right to make a challenge, but not one where he threw him into, winning the ball but with no option other than for his trailing leg to clatter into the player which led to the nasty injury sustained.

 

Whilst the silence has been deafening from Eastlands and from our own domestic FA, it was pleasing to see that Holland manger Bert van Marwijk has publicly condemned the challenge and announced that as a result of it, De Jong will not be in the Dutch squad for the forthcoming internationals.

 

Sooner or later refs, the authorities and the players union will outlaw these type of challenges. No one wanted to stop tackling, that in itself just leads to more shirt tugging, but the two feet off the ground kamikaze tackles have to be stopped.

 

 

I'm yet to hear a ref come out in support of De Jong.

 

Can't say I've read much of Winter since he hung up his, err, whistle? But that's a very fair assessment of the situation.

[Benwell Lad]

Baba- quite simply a load of nonsense.

 

Football can continue to bury its head in the sand but until stronger action is taken, we will continue to see the likes of Ben Arfa, Ramsay and Eduardo (players that make the game exciting) kicked to pieces by spoilers with no deterrent other than a piffling 3 match ban

It's not a load of nonsense, man. You all have gone mad. It's a bad tackle that has caused a bad injury. Fine. This is understood. People's legs are broken on the pitch all of the time. We can increase the penalties for bad tackles within football. This is acceptable It's the same as charging a racing car pilot with murder because he made a bad move that led to a deadly accident. This would be madness. Football is not the same as walking on the street, and there are inherent risks when you walk on the pitch. You don't call the police after every incident. That is literal insanity. The only way police could get involved is if there is an incident that is far separated from what is part of football. De Jong's tackle was not that. 

 

The game itself is "policed" by the referee, and the sport by the FA. They should deal severely with intended acts of violence which cause serious injury.

When they fail in their duties to do so, there is no reason why the victims should not turn to common law to obtain justice and recompense for loss of earnings/investment etc.

If this does go legal then it will be the fault of a very dodgy referee and an incompetent FA to deal with it properly in house.

 

I'm also fairly sure that if a F1 driver made a deliberate move that put another driver in hospital or worse then he wouldn't be racing for a long time.

 

The key is the intent behind the move, if De Jong and Ben Arfa were going for a 50:50 and their legs got caught together then its an accident. Mark Webbers impression of Superman in a car earlier this season was an accident.

 

However, De Jong went in to put Ben Arfa out of this particular game either mentally or physically. We've all been in games where the manager has said to rough up the keeper, or 'keep the little quick un quiet'. He went too far in this, it was a deliberate act and he should be punished.

 

Yes, but you could never prove intent on a tackle unless the player admitted it.

 

Err... isn't that what the process of law and the judiciary is for ? To decide if there was intent.

Do you also think murder, theft, fraud etc can not be proven unless the perpetrator admits guilt ?

 

If it hadn't been for a very dodgy referee and an incompetent and ignorant football association it could have been concluded already.

[Skirge]

This FA rule that if the ref seen it and done nothing so they can't act is just them saying our refs do nothing wrong, they never make a mistake.

But surely he can come out and say he got it wrong in the game and it should be looked at again, or what about the fact the refs performance is reviewed by the FA and he made two shocking pen decisions and will be punished for that IE made fourth official for a few games

 

Its pathetic, the entire world has seen how bad that tackle was doing nothing makes them a laughing stock.

[mrmojorisin75]

It's a FIFA rule not an FA one. When they punished Thatcher for the elbow they had to apply to FIFA for dispensation.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

I hope that if the FA turn around and say nothing can be done we take this one to the law courts.

 

Should sue Man City for not controlling De Jong, De Jong for the foul, Atkinson for his decision, the FA for their lack of a decision and Fifa for not allowing the FA to make a decision

[NG32]

I hope that if the FA turn around and say nothing can be done we take this one to the law courts.

 

Should sue Man City for not controlling De Jong, De Jong for the foul, Atkinson for his decision, the FA for their lack of a decision and Fifa for not allowing the FA to make a decision

 

That would be canny hard to win like.

[Skirge]

Its a no win really but they have to try we cannot just do nothing.

[timeEd32]

Baba- quite simply a load of nonsense.

 

Football can continue to bury its head in the sand but until stronger action is taken, we will continue to see the likes of Ben Arfa, Ramsay and Eduardo (players that make the game exciting) kicked to pieces by spoilers with no deterrent other than a piffling 3 match ban

It's not a load of nonsense, man. You all have gone mad. It's a bad tackle that has caused a bad injury. Fine. This is understood. People's legs are broken on the pitch all of the time. We can increase the penalties for bad tackles within football. This is acceptable It's the same as charging a racing car pilot with murder because he made a bad move that led to a deadly accident. This would be madness. Football is not the same as walking on the street, and there are inherent risks when you walk on the pitch. You don't call the police after every incident. That is literal insanity. The only way police could get involved is if there is an incident that is far separated from what is part of football. De Jong's tackle was not that. 

 

The game itself is "policed" by the referee, and the sport by the FA. They should deal severely with intended acts of violence which cause serious injury.

When they fail in their duties to do so, there is no reason why the victims should not turn to common law to obtain justice and recompense for loss of earnings/investment etc.

If this does go legal then it will be the fault of a very dodgy referee and an incompetent FA to deal with it properly in house.

 

I'm also fairly sure that if a F1 driver made a deliberate move that put another driver in hospital or worse then he wouldn't be racing for a long time.

 

The key is the intent behind the move, if De Jong and Ben Arfa were going for a 50:50 and their legs got caught together then its an accident. Mark Webbers impression of Superman in a car earlier this season was an accident.

 

However, De Jong went in to put Ben Arfa out of this particular game either mentally or physically. We've all been in games where the manager has said to rough up the keeper, or 'keep the little quick un quiet'. He went too far in this, it was a deliberate act and he should be punished.

 

Yes, but you could never prove intent on a tackle unless the player admitted it.

 

Err... isn't that what the process of law and the judiciary is for ? To decide if there was intent.

Do you also think murder, theft, fraud etc can not be proven unless the perpetrator admits guilt ?

 

If it hadn't been for a very dodgy referee and an incompetent and ignorant football association it could have been concluded already.

 

Deciding if there was intent and handing down punishment is the job of the FA (and FIFA). Tackling is part of the game. Should he have been punished - sent off, suspended, and possibly fined? Yes, yes, and yes. The FA and FIFA need to do a much better job of policing their game.

 

Does he belong in jail? Of course not.

 

 

[Canuck]

Northerngimp with his WHA era Hartford (New England) Whalers logo reminded me that something simiar happened in the NHL a number of years ago.

 

The game was being ruined by thugs and "enforcers" in the style of De Jong and Henry whereby they would target and harass the skill players on the opposing teams. Revenues fell, TV ratings fell and the game stagnated.

 

The governors of the league cracked down on this by telling the referee's to punish the behaviour and by telling the teams that they would be penalized for the slightest infractions with a zero tolerance stance.

 

Purists cried out that they are neutering the game. It's a man's game they cried. What is hockey without hitting!! and so forth.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Now the game is enjoying a renaissance. The skill players are dominating the game. It is faster and more exciting. TV ratings are up and the players are enjoying a higher profile.

 

I see the same thing happening with football. There are attempts to intimidate and stop the flair players (World Cup final anyone) and the consumers are complaining. Purists are writing sh*te about "taking tackling out of football" and legs are getting broken.

 

How long are consumers going to put up with it? When will ratings drop for games when the skill players are not allowed to play?

 

This isn't just about De Jong's tackle on HBA, it is about the Dutch team in the WC, it is about Wolves use of Karl Henry and Arsenal getting kicked off the pitch at Bolton etc. etc.

[NG32]

Northerngimp with his WHA era Hartford (New England) Whalers logo reminded me that something simiar happened in the NHL a number of years ago.

 

The game was being ruined by thugs and "enforcers" in the style of De Jong and Henry whereby they would target and harass the skill players on the opposing teams. Revenues fell, TV ratings fell and the game stagnated.

 

The governors of the league cracked down on this by telling the referee's to punish the behaviour and by telling the teams that they would be penalized for the slightest infractions with a zero tolerance stance.

 

Purists cried out that they are neutering the game. It's a man's game they cried. What is hockey without hitting!! and so forth.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Now the game is enjoying a renaissance. The skill players are dominating the game. It is faster and more exciting. TV ratings are up and the players are enjoying a higher profile.

 

I see the same thing happening with football. There are attempts to intimidate and stop the flair players (World Cup final anyone) and the consumers are complaining. Purists are writing sh*te about "taking tackling out of football" and legs are getting broken.

 

How long are consumers going to put up with it? When will ratings drop for games when the skill players are not allowed to play?

 

This isn't just about De Jong's tackle on HBA, it is about the Dutch team in the WC, it is about Wolves use of Karl Henry and Arsenal getting kicked off the pitch at Bolton etc. etc.

 

 

Aye the NHL is a skaters game now, they took all the holding and blocking out the game.  It flows really well now.  Think your post just sealed me getting ESPN.