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At the time Pardew made the comment about Carroll I think he believed it. What AP said was in response to being asked about Carroll by the press and he wasn't going to say that if someone bid £35m and offered Carroll £80k a week (or whatever it is) then there was a deal to be done. The problem was that he came out with his comment when our owner, another club and the player himself could all completely overturn it. Probably best if he says nothing about players leaving - that will, of course, invite speculation but everything invites speculation.

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It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell.

 

That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one.

 

1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football

2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered.

3) It's nothing like that analogy at all

 

He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget).

 

As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise.

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Which we all knew anyway.

 

Except that there are plenty of people who are still saying things like he comes across well in interviews, and he's saying all the right stuff giving them hope for the future, etc. eg:

 

Pardew post match 'we need 4 players who can get the fans off their seats'

 

Sounds good

 

I've been strongly against him from the start and I'm still not convinced, but in fairness he's consistently saying the right things. Its brilliant - I'm almost starting to believe them.

 

Went to the talk in, and I was very pleased in the way he answered the questions and I truly believe he can take us forward. This maybe a slightly drunken view! But he really did seem to ensure the fans of the future he wants to take.

 

When people are so readily convinced by words, what's wrong with occasionally reminding them how reliable the source is?

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It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell.

 

That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one.

 

1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football

2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered.

3) It's nothing like that analogy at all

 

He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget).

 

As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise.

 

For all we know he may have.

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It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell.

 

That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one.

 

1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football

2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered.

3) It's nothing like that analogy at all

 

He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget).

 

As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise.

 

For all we know he may have.

 

I don't particularly believe that he did, as for me it would have involved using the press more to put the onus on the owner not to sell, eg with "the owner knows that if the player is sold after the assurances I've been given then I'll walk" kind of ultimatums, rather than typical raise the price press talk.

 

However, if he did in fact in private do everything in his power to stop the transfer or ensure an adequate replacement was brought in for the second half of the season, the fact that the club made no attempt to even pretend to do so (a la the Richardson/N'Zogbia "enquiries") goes to show just how little influence he has, and how highly the owner and the casino boss value the opinion of their manager in footballing matters. It certainly shouldn't encourage people to put much credence in what he is now saying about the Summer and in his ability to have much say in what happens.

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It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell.

 

That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one.

 

1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football

2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered.

3) It's nothing like that analogy at all

 

He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget).

 

As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise.

 

For all we know he may have.

 

I don't particularly believe that he did, as for me it would have involved using the press more to put the onus on the owner not to sell, eg with "the owner knows that if the player is sold after the assurances I've been given then I'll walk" kind of ultimatums, rather than typical raise the price press talk.

 

However, if he did in fact in private do everything in his power to stop the transfer or ensure an adequate replacement was brought in for the second half of the season, the fact that the club made no attempt to even pretend to do so (a la the Richardson/N'Zogbia "enquiries") goes to show just how little influence he has, and how highly the owner and the casino boss value the opinion of their manager in footballing matters. It certainly shouldn't encourage people to put much credence in what he is now saying about the Summer and in his ability to have much say in what happens.

 

We've just sold Carroll for £35m. I'd be surprised if Pardew didn't spend a fair whack on new players this summer. If that doesn't happen I'll happily come back on this thread and say you were right.

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he picks the team, thats all he's allowed to do, and he took the job on those conditions.

 

I humbly disagree.

 

no worries,guess we'll have to wait for a book to come out to know for sure

divvent hold your breath, i'd hoped keegans memoirs of his time would've been out by now.
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-So Mr Keegan, why did you leave the St James' Park hotseat?

-Buy my book, it'll all be in there.

 

I'll never forget that.

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I'm not very fond of Pardew, but I'm very thankful for the job he did today. Cracking substitutions made a dream come true... to see two Ameobis on the same pitch. Not to mention Kazenga and Ranger.

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To get a draw at Chelsea with a finishing front 4 of Ameobi, Ameobi, Ranger & LuaLua...he deserves a knighthood. :lol:

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