Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'd love someone to actually come up with a viable alternative to Pards. The silence is deafening. Cue HTT compiling a 3000 word report on how he could come in and successfully succeed Pards. Only 2 badges behind him. Not bad for someone who has never played the game like Tactically I'd wipe the floor with him to be honest. I think you genuinely believe that too There is no reason to believe, its an actual truth. I'd fuck him up all ways tactically. The man may have been a professional footballer and is currently a professional manager but tactically he's very poor as he's shown plenty of times this season. I'd go into depth regarding my own tactical analysis of our side but I fear the forum doesn't have enough bandwidth. I'll remain content that a prominent FA senior coach said he's not seen such tactical ideas at grassroots level before as my own. I plan to run my business empire for another 10 years, sell up, and start my own footy academy, keep your eye out for coach HTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I reckon you should start stalking Pards...You know jump out of the bushes with tactics in hand that kind of thing. Oi Pards! Fancy a bit of 433! http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s229/ivoliveira/taxi_driver_ver4.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 This notion that Norwch and Swansea play great football is tosh btw. Nothing more than plucky upstarts having a go. They'll both be scrapping against relegation next year after the first season adrenaline has worn off. Fuck off man Plucky upstarts. No-one says they play "GREAT" footy by the way, but they do try to play great football and more often than not succeed. I watched a half hour long analysis of Swansea a few weeks back prior to their game against Arsenal and they clearly do play very good football, especially possessionaly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mick Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Yeah, if he was wrong about that then he must automatically be wrong about everything else ever. That's obviously what I said. Nothing has been dismantled by one post. We're doing well position wise in the league which is as much down to having Demba Ba than anybody else this season and I would include Pardew in that. One person’s opinion is supported by some but that doesn’t make them right and others wrong. I would be speechless if anybody had the audacity to counter claim that our football has been good other than for short periods of games or other than maybe 3 or 4 games where we’ve done it for longer. I understand that results aren’t subjective and I don’t think many think that over the season so far the results have not been better than expected, even if some of the results have been individually poor. Pardew said that he was going to change the way that we play and I can’t say that I’ve seen much of that. I do think Cabaye is better in central midfield than the bloke he’s replaced. I would probably say that Ba has been better than any of our forwards since Shearer. We have lost 1 player who I think most people would agree that we are weaker for losing and that is Enrique. We have a good spine to our team in Krul, Coloccini, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba and probably Cisse yet for too often we do hoof the ball as if it was a bomb that we were getting rid of before it explodes. Two seasons in a row we’ve had a manager who has fielded a very strong team in the FA Cup without understanding that top players just aren’t motivated against lower league teams, at least ours aren’t. I think both games could have been won without so many unmotivated players who turned up thinking that was enough to win the games. Both times the unmotivated team have had a player sent off which has had an effect on our league campaign. I’ll put money on it that a lesson hasn’t been learned and we’ll do the same again next season, we’ll play an unmotivated team against opposition that motivated but less used players would beat. Our last league game was lost before a ball was kicked because Pardew told everybody that we weren’t under pressure and that the players could let their hair down and they did that all right. Not a single player turned up yet we were later told that we were expecting too much attacking football or words to that effect. Last weekend wasn’t the one off people try to make out and when this is pointed out the excuses are straight out. I’ve seen nothing from Pardew to suggest that we’ll play games any different to how we have so far and I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he’s ever going to be able to change a game once the game has kicked off if it is going against us. We may have a game that will change but I don’t think it will be down to our manager, like Arsenal last season it’ll be down to a player getting sent off or something will happen during a game that will change it. I know bringing Shola on against Spurs changed a defeat into a draw but bringing on Shola is more likely to have no positive effect on a game as it does having a positive effect, yes, sometimes we have luck on our side. Some people on here are like kids and can’t handle that others don’t share whatever opinions they hold. Not everybody thinks Pardew is any better than average, not everybody looks at our league position and automatically thinks that we must be playing well because of where we are. Not everybody thinks that things can’t be wrong just because we’ve won a few games. Nobody is predicting our demise but I think a few people are wondering if we can maintain our results without improving the way that we play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Howay man HTT. I respect you as a poster but a few courses and a quick bash on Football Manager does not ready one for Premier League management. Now stop being bloody daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What don't you understand? How would he have struggled to fit those two into the side? As said it seemed more political than 'I have these two, really hard working, really talented players in the side but just how will I fit them in!?'. Given Pardew's whole 'thing' seems to be based on an organised side which will work as a unit and contribute to all round play I don't understand how those 2 can be compared to the Ben Arfa thing. Are we really suggesting that Pardew doesn't like Ben Arfa because he is talented? A response more than 'Eh?' may open up a more fluent discussion Would Pardew not playing Tevez and Mascherano for political reasons at the expense of the team and club make it more acceptable? Is it acceptable that Pardew put his feelings before the well being of the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Howay man HTT. I respect you as a poster but a few courses and a quick bash on Football Manager does not ready one for Premier League management. Now stop being bloody daft. In all seriousness, I coached my nephew for 1 season and he had NUFC scouts wanting to bring him into the academy. I coached an under 10s side and they went unbeaten during a season, the season after they were almost relegated down a league. We finished second mind I developed several unique drills for example that guarantee to improve your weaker foot or rather guarantee to make you two-footed. I'm not shitting you but I sent them to several clubs, including Newcastle, and I got some very favourable responses. I've also developed a game for kids that enables them to learn the basics of the game in just one hour of playing 'football' which I reckon could become a big thing. Coaching badges mean fuck all by the way, Steve Bruce as a UEFA B for example I've never played footy manager in my life by the way. I'd give him a run for his money like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Love HTT like,has the passion and heart of a Keegan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Howay man HTT. I respect you as a poster but a few courses and a quick bash on Football Manager does not ready one for Premier League management. Now stop being bloody daft. In all seriousness, I coached my nephew for 1 season and he had NUFC scouts wanting to bring him into the academy. I coached an under 10s side and they went unbeaten during a season, the season after they were almost relegated down a league. We finished second mind I developed several unique drills for example that guarantee to improve your weaker foot or rather guarantee to make you two-footed. I'm not shitting you but I sent them to several clubs, including Newcastle, and I got some very favourable responses. I've also developed a game for kids that enables them to learn the basics of the game in just one hour of playing 'football' which I reckon could become a big thing. Coaching badges mean fuck all by the way, Steve Bruce as a UEFA B for example I've never played footy manager in my life by the way. I'd give him a run for his money like Jesus fucking wept James's sexual exploits have been blown so far out of the water they are orbiting Saturn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Well, that's me convinced. Pardew out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What don't you understand? How would he have struggled to fit those two into the side? As said it seemed more political than 'I have these two, really hard working, really talented players in the side but just how will I fit them in!?'. Given Pardew's whole 'thing' seems to be based on an organised side which will work as a unit and contribute to all round play I don't understand how those 2 can be compared to the Ben Arfa thing. Are we really suggesting that Pardew doesn't like Ben Arfa because he is talented? A response more than 'Eh?' may open up a more fluent discussion Would Pardew not playing Tevez and Mascherano for political reasons at the expense of the team and club make it more acceptable? Is it acceptable that Pardew put his feelings before the well being of the club? I have already said it was a failure on his part, the point is they are not comparable at all. Pardew didn't play those two because of the way they came into the club, not because of how he thought their style would affect the team (which seems to be exactly why he is reluctant to play Ben Arfa). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Pards on back of Ronnie: 13 Cup Finals left You said it was 14 last week and look how that turned out I hate pointless rubbish like that in the papers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have already said it was a failure on his part, the point is they are not comparable at all. Pardew didn't play those two because of the way they came into the club, not because of how he thought their style would affect the team (which seems to be exactly why he is reluctant to play Ben Arfa). You assume that you know why he didn't play them, the end result is the same anyway, he didn't play 2 of his best players at West ham and he isn't playing one of his best here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have already said it was a failure on his part, the point is they are not comparable at all. Pardew didn't play those two because of the way they came into the club, not because of how he thought their style would affect the team (which seems to be exactly why he is reluctant to play Ben Arfa). You assume that you know what he didn't play them, the end result is the same anyway, he didn't play 2 of his best players at West ham and he isn't playing one of his best here. Of course Pardew did actually play Tevez and Mascherano in a couple of games, which rubbishes the idea that Pardew had some political motivation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I've had the anti-Pardew carp thrown at me, the agenda crap and so on. http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Carp-killer.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 We need to get HTT a copy of FM12 so he can blow some of this steam off on there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have already said it was a failure on his part, the point is they are not comparable at all. Pardew didn't play those two because of the way they came into the club, not because of how he thought their style would affect the team (which seems to be exactly why he is reluctant to play Ben Arfa). You assume that you know what he didn't play them, the end result is the same anyway, he didn't play 2 of his best players at West ham and he isn't playing one of his best here. Of course Pardew did actually play Tevez and Mascherano in a couple of games, which rubbishes the idea that Pardew had some political motivation. He has also started HBA for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have already said it was a failure on his part, the point is they are not comparable at all. Pardew didn't play those two because of the way they came into the club, not because of how he thought their style would affect the team (which seems to be exactly why he is reluctant to play Ben Arfa). You assume that you know why he didn't play them, the end result is the same anyway, he didn't play 2 of his best players at West ham and he isn't playing one of his best here. The end result is the same? West Ham just avoided relegation which was a disastrous season for them, after 25 games we are a point behind Arsenal, Chelsea and 3 points ahead of a Liverpool side which spent £100m in the summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I've had the anti-Pardew carp thrown at me, the agenda crap and so on. http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Carp-killer.jpg I wonder if the Agenda Carp is friends with the Agenda Horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Wow the Pardew fans came out of hiding, but i have seen very little discussion of the football or observations of the improvements that could be made. Do we create enough from open plays? if not why? is it worrying to you? Could you input a bit of your opinions and analysis? where are the over lapping runs? Even if we play safe and organize football, obviously it could be played in a better way while going forward. Quite alot of random stuff of HBA,Tevez, pre end season league position, ludicrous , sarcastic remarks on htt, Promoted championship side's should have lower expectations and all sort of nonsense. Talk about the football, in general people are complaining that we dont create enough chances and it would bite us come end season or show up if it doesnt improve. I have not seen a top footballing side create so little variations of goal scoring opportunities. I have already put up a couple of manager names that we were linked positively to before or is currently unemployed (So read the thread) Even explained the wages and possible attractions to the managers. Tbh when Martin Jol was available, i thought he was a step up and still reckon he is now. Although the current results prove me otherwise but he has a good track record of improving teams as he manages them in his term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Who are these managers that we could realistically attract who could do a better job than Pards? Would be nice to have the odd name... Without naming any, I think we are in a far better position than a year or two ago as far as that is concerned. I would just like someone who thinks we can do better than Pards to actually name someone. No-one seems to want to do it. Oddly enough. There are managers out there that would do a better job but how many of them would be willing to work in the structure we have and for quite low wages as well. Think low wages is a myth for recruiting managers, if you want one that has credentials you need to slash the cash. No point in getting value or young managers there is no sell on value. Just that the club might not have progress enough to attract the likes of Van gaal ,Didier Claude Deschamps or even AVB if he gets the boot. Money wages wise ,it would probably 2- 4 million quid a year. And contracts are usually base on two yearly ones. Honestly cant see whey it couldnt be done. Rather than the cost, i think its the reputation but who knows maybe they might be up for a English challenge or they might fancy more money. Yes very debatable on their interest of managing Newcastle with this structure but i have seen more surprising employments. I am not one to say Pardew doesnt deserve a chance, but if there is someone that is proven and willing to come for what so ever reasons ,Why Not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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