Darth Crooks Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Danny Guffrie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Sorry for Pardy rocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogbeak Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 fancy a chuckle at the vagaries of hindsight? open this thread to page one some time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 fancy a chuckle at the vagaries of hindsight? open this thread to page one some time jesus read with interest what he said about hughton and being sacked from southampton...made me like him more tnh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Four games left and a top 6 finish guaranteed, what an outstanding job this man has done. To come here knowing he was not wanted by the fans, to a club where the owner was hated, a loved manager had just been sacked, then to have his star striker sold. He has to be manager of the year he just has to be, no one gave us a chance, a lot thought we would go down, no fans even dreamt of this kind of season. Take a bow Alan take a bow. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 At least it would be funny when he went through Ashley's daughter. She should be lined up so we can all have a go at her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I know our squad is hardly brimming with talent but there are some good players there who have stuck with us when they probably shouldn't have, and players who plenty of other clubs would want. IMO we're staring down the barrel of a Souness-style demolition of the team, squad and possibly club here. I'm not pulling out this quote to pick on Dave or anything; it just highlights what a low ebb we thought his appointment was - summarises perfectly the negative feeling towards the change. I didn't think any differently to this. Absolutely astonishing how it has all panned out. And as much as i love Pardew, i'd still maintain that his appointment is a fluke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 We could lose every remaining game 5-0 and the season would still represent a huge, huge success. 62 points, man. Incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 We could lose every remaining game 5-0 and the season would still represent a huge, huge success. 62 points, man. Incredible. To have lost the last four games 5-0 (considering our current form)... on top of conceding 5 already twice this season... would represent a bit of a worry imhotbph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I know our squad is hardly brimming with talent but there are some good players there who have stuck with us when they probably shouldn't have, and players who plenty of other clubs would want. IMO we're staring down the barrel of a Souness-style demolition of the team, squad and possibly club here. I'm not pulling out this quote to pick on Dave or anything; it just highlights what a low ebb we thought his appointment was - summarises perfectly the negative feeling towards the change. I didn't think any differently to this. Absolutely astonishing how it has all panned out. And as much as i love Pardew, i'd still maintain that his appointment is a fluke. I just can't get my head around this idea. Hughtons departure you felt was inevitable after Calderwood wasn't replaced and they were clearly planning for a change and a manager they felt they could work with and take us forward within their particular framework. I'd say they used the same principle they now use in the player recruitment. Forget the name, check the background, see the worth in someone with maybe something to prove, and after meeting face to face, Pardew seemed the right fit. Of course he's doing particularly well, they were planning top ten for his first full season, then top eight the following year, but I still don't get how you think a planned jettisoning of Hughton, and a process you'd imagine they'd be just as careful over as signing a player (if not more so) ending up with Pardew is particullary flukey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It's only a fluke in that I can't believe that they thought things would possibly work out quite as well as they have to date. As an appointment it was about as calculated as you can get, fair play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It's only a fluke in that I can't believe that they thought things would possibly work out quite as well as they have to date. As an appointment it was about as calculated as you can get, fair play. They'd have been right spazz's if they thought things would work out quite as well as they have to date though to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think they appointed Pardew because he's a media darling, and because he would be a yes-man - counting his lucky chickens that he ever got a gig like Newcastle United. I believe that he was brought in to keep us ticking over on the pitch, and make a bridge between the boardroom and the supporters... until they sold it. I still reckon Pardew was lined up well before Hughton got the boot n'all; either that or it's a total mad coincidence that Golfmag was going on about it two months prior to the sacking. Call that cynical if you want; it probably is, but i refuse to believe that - after sacking Hughton - they (or anyone) believed that Pardew was brought in to take us to the 'next level' (ie, European competition). Fortunately, it's worked out very well and - with the foundation of an excellent scouting network - Pardew has turned into an excellent appointment not only from a PR perspective, but from a footballing one as well. Whether or not they still have intentions to sell the club is up in the air. Our surprising success might have just altered their long-term mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 We've benefited from Liverpool being worse than expected, Chelsea similarly no doubt, some leagues when the top four all were winning most games we may be struggling with the games we did lose. That said we've equalled Spur's points from last season for 5th place. However 62 would only get us 8th season before... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 We've benefited from Liverpool being worse than expected, Chelsea similarly no doubt, some leagues when the top four all were winning most games we may be struggling with the games we did lose. That said we've equalled Spur's points from last season for 5th place. However 62 would only get us 8th season before... How've we benefited from Livepool being worse than expected? They finished on 58 points last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think they appointed Pardew because he's a media darling, and because he would be a yes-man - counting his lucky chickens that he ever got a gig like Newcastle United. I believe that he was brought in to keep us ticking over on the pitch, and make a bridge between the boardroom and the supporters... until they sold it. I still reckon Pardew was lined up well before Hughton got the boot n'all; either that or it's a total mad coincidence that Golfmag was going on about it two months prior to the sacking. Call that cynical if you want; it probably is, but i refuse to believe that - after sacking Hughton - they (or anyone) believed that Pardew was brought in to take us to the 'next level' (ie, European competition). Fortunately, it's worked out very well and - with the foundation of an excellent scouting network - Pardew has turned into an excellent appointment not only from a PR perspective, but from a footballing one as well. Whether or not they still have intentions to sell the club is up in the air. Our surprising success might have just altered their long-term mentality. Whey that just sounds like a load of negative bollocks to me, sorry. They'd need the club to be a damn sight better than stumbling around the lower reaches of the table if Ashley were ever to sell the club and get any sort of decent money for it. But even if that was the plan, why would they need to take the risk and replace Hughton so as to keep things sweet with the supporters/media while keeping the club up on a shoestring? That is ultimately exactly what Hughton was doing for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Driving home from my parents there and someone on Talksport called up putting him forward for the Man Utd job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think they appointed Pardew because he's a media darling, and because he would be a yes-man - counting his lucky chickens that he ever got a gig like Newcastle United. I believe that he was brought in to keep us ticking over on the pitch, and make a bridge between the boardroom and the supporters... until they sold it. I still reckon Pardew was lined up well before Hughton got the boot n'all; either that or it's a total mad coincidence that Golfmag was going on about it two months prior to the sacking. Call that cynical if you want; it probably is, but i refuse to believe that - after sacking Hughton - they (or anyone) believed that Pardew was brought in to take us to the 'next level' (ie, European competition). Fortunately, it's worked out very well and - with the foundation of an excellent scouting network - Pardew has turned into an excellent appointment not only from a PR perspective, but from a footballing one as well. Whether or not they still have intentions to sell the club is up in the air. Our surprising success might have just altered their long-term mentality. Whey that just sounds like a load of negative bollocks to me, sorry. They'd need the club to be a damn sight better than stumbling around the lower reaches of the table if Ashley were ever to sell the club and get any sort of decent money for it. But even if that was the plan, why would they need to take the risk and replace Hughton so as to keep things sweet with the supporters/media while keeping the club up on a shoestring? That is ultimately exactly what Hughton was doing for them. That's fair do's. I can appreciate why you would think that, given the form we are in. But it's what i thought at the time (aided by Golfmag P.I), and our form hasn't changed that. I'll always think the manner of his appointment was a bit iffy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think they appointed Pardew because he's a media darling, and because he would be a yes-man - counting his lucky chickens that he ever got a gig like Newcastle United. I believe that he was brought in to keep us ticking over on the pitch, and make a bridge between the boardroom and the supporters... until they sold it. I still reckon Pardew was lined up well before Hughton got the boot n'all; either that or it's a total mad coincidence that Golfmag was going on about it two months prior to the sacking. Call that cynical if you want; it probably is, but i refuse to believe that - after sacking Hughton - they (or anyone) believed that Pardew was brought in to take us to the 'next level' (ie, European competition). Fortunately, it's worked out very well and - with the foundation of an excellent scouting network - Pardew has turned into an excellent appointment not only from a PR perspective, but from a footballing one as well. Whether or not they still have intentions to sell the club is up in the air. Our surprising success might have just altered their long-term mentality. Whey that just sounds like a load of negative bollocks to me, sorry. They'd need the club to be a damn sight better than stumbling around the lower reaches of the table if Ashley were ever to sell the club and get any sort of decent money for it. But even if that was the plan, why would they need to take the risk and replace Hughton so as to keep things sweet with the supporters/media while keeping the club up on a shoestring? That is ultimately exactly what Hughton was doing for them. Think he started getting 'too big for his boots' so to speak. I honestly think that while the togetherness helped us back up, the board didn't look forward to the likes of Barton, Nolan having such big sway and Hughton being happy with that. Also said at the time that I think Hughton was starting to believe in himself more and wasn't being as much of a 'yes man' as Ashley/Llambias had hoped. Pure speculation on my part ofc but just my own view of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I know our squad is hardly brimming with talent but there are some good players there who have stuck with us when they probably shouldn't have, and players who plenty of other clubs would want. IMO we're staring down the barrel of a Souness-style demolition of the team, squad and possibly club here. I'm not pulling out this quote to pick on Dave or anything; it just highlights what a low ebb we thought his appointment was - summarises perfectly the negative feeling towards the change. I didn't think any differently to this. Absolutely astonishing how it has all panned out. And as much as i love Pardew, i'd still maintain that his appointment is a fluke. A fluke in what respect, he turned out better than expected? I think they did their homework on this one just the way they target players now. There was an earlier article where it was revealed that Pardew was Llambias's choice and he put the name forward to Ashley. They desperately needed to get it right, and as we sit here in 4th position with an apparently great team spirit you'd have to say they succeeded. Fluke? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I know our squad is hardly brimming with talent but there are some good players there who have stuck with us when they probably shouldn't have, and players who plenty of other clubs would want. IMO we're staring down the barrel of a Souness-style demolition of the team, squad and possibly club here. I'm not pulling out this quote to pick on Dave or anything; it just highlights what a low ebb we thought his appointment was - summarises perfectly the negative feeling towards the change. I didn't think any differently to this. Absolutely astonishing how it has all panned out. And as much as i love Pardew, i'd still maintain that his appointment is a fluke. A fluke in what respect, he turned out better than expected? I think they did their homework on this one just the way they target players now. There was an earlier article where it was revealed that Pardew was Llambias's choice and he put the name forward to Ashley. They desperately needed to get it right, and as we sit here in 4th position with an apparently great team spirit you'd have to say they succeeded. Fluke? Yeah, by enormous proportions. His track record was gash and many people thought we'd have got relegated. Obviously i can't deny that it's been a success, and i haven't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think it's a bit of a myth this "gash track record" business. He did very well at Reading, took West Ham from the Championship to the top 10 and seconds away from an FA Cup win. Charlton were a mess when he took over, and at Southampton he just missed out on the Play-Offs despite a 10 point deduction, and he'd just won their 3rd league game of the season 4-0 before he was sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Of course it's a myth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think they appointed Pardew because he's a media darling, and because he would be a yes-man - counting his lucky chickens that he ever got a gig like Newcastle United. I believe that he was brought in to keep us ticking over on the pitch, and make a bridge between the boardroom and the supporters... until they sold it. I still reckon Pardew was lined up well before Hughton got the boot n'all; either that or it's a total mad coincidence that Golfmag was going on about it two months prior to the sacking. Call that cynical if you want; it probably is, but i refuse to believe that - after sacking Hughton - they (or anyone) believed that Pardew was brought in to take us to the 'next level' (ie, European competition). Fortunately, it's worked out very well and - with the foundation of an excellent scouting network - Pardew has turned into an excellent appointment not only from a PR perspective, but from a footballing one as well. Whether or not they still have intentions to sell the club is up in the air. Our surprising success might have just altered their long-term mentality. Whey that just sounds like a load of negative bollocks to me, sorry. They'd need the club to be a damn sight better than stumbling around the lower reaches of the table if Ashley were ever to sell the club and get any sort of decent money for it. But even if that was the plan, why would they need to take the risk and replace Hughton so as to keep things sweet with the supporters/media while keeping the club up on a shoestring? That is ultimately exactly what Hughton was doing for them. That's fair do's. I can appreciate why you would think that, given the form we are in. But it's what i thought at the time (aided by Golfmag P.I), and our form hasn't changed that. I'll always think the manner of his appointment was a bit iffy. Our form, as you say, has nowt to do with it and hasn't changed my opinion in the slightest. That Golfmag had a heads up on the appointment if anything suggests even less of a fluke - that the club had put a fair bit of time and thought into the appointment. If they only thought Pardew would do the bare minimum, how on earth would that help them get the fans and media back on side enough to attract buyers? It just doesn't make sense. Replacing Hughton was a risk not worth taking if they were just looking for a way out, and a 5 year contract for the new man strikes me as pretty unattractive to a buyer as well. They brought in someone who they could work with, and the effect on the media, fans, and prospective buyers was secondary. It suggested a new direction and as the trust built, Pardew got them to invest and push on with captures like Cabaye, Santon, and Cisse. If that continues (yeah, yeah, I know ) then hopefully they're not just the jammy bastards that understandably some see them as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 We've benefited from Liverpool being worse than expected, Chelsea similarly no doubt, some leagues when the top four all were winning most games we may be struggling with the games we did lose. That said we've equalled Spur's points from last season for 5th place. However 62 would only get us 8th season before... How've we benefited from Livepool being worse than expected? They finished on 58 points last season. Fair point but think even I thought they'd be closer to the top than they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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