Cajun Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 If we win tomorrow it will be a huge tick. I do think there are massive over reactions to everything he says though, only one comment has been stupid imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 The length of contract is only important if the compensation agreed is high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rabit71 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 you think ashley has put a clause in? "if you get sacked you get nowt" like a prenup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Yeah probably, can't see us agreeing that long otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rabit71 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 hope you're right gives me hope of actually getting a good manager before my nephew is old enough to go to games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 hope you're right gives me hope of actually getting a good manager before my nephew is old enough to go to games They put a clause in Keegans contract, they will have done the same with Pardews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 The thing with Pardew is that his contract is geared towards bonuses so he'll be wanting to get as high in the table as he can. Not like Big Sam and 'let's get to 40'. Secretly he'll be thinking he has a fantastic chance of finishing top 6 if we win tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Get off his back. He has had a great start bar Stevenage Harper in today's chronicle is very complimentary about pardew and his methods I am quite surprised by that because Harper is not azz licker like STaylor or some others ..... I son't care as long as he is doing something good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Get off his back. He has had a great start bar Stevenage Harper in today's chronicle is very complimentary about pardew and his methods I am quite surprised by that because Harper is not azz licker like STaylor or some others ..... I son't care as long as he is doing something good. Are Simpson and Jose azz lickers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his one really stupid decision so far was bringing on Tiote imo. His talking has not been at the Sourness level, but when things start to go tits up, I expect it to escalate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his talking hasn't been that bad, its just a system shock after over a year of hughton saying sweet fuck all on absolutely anything at all to pardew occasionally saying something moderately interesting, just seemed a lot worse due to the xmas christmas fixture pile up and pile up of pressers hence lots of quotes floating around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 The length of contract is only important if the compensation agreed is high. He is supposed to be on a low basic salary with good bonuses based on performance. He is also supposed to have agreed to a clause in his contract that means a very low payout if he gets fired. All rumour and supposition of course but based on what we've seen there's no way Ashley is going to stitch himself up with a contract that entitles Pardew to a massive payout if he fails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his one really stupid decision so far was bringing on Tiote imo. His talking has not been at the Sourness level, but when things start to go tits up, I expect it to escalate. Tiote's high energy and drive should have given the attackers more freedom. Pardew wanted to progress, so took the gamble. At the time I was wary, but if it had paid off, who knows. As soon as he was sent off though, and there is a degree of hindsight here, it ended up an absolutely dreadful decision. Can't see us wining against the scum without Tiote in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I hope all hell does not break loose if we lose tomorrow. It will. It fkn shouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his one really stupid decision so far was bringing on Tiote imo. His talking has not been at the Sourness level, but when things start to go tits up, I expect it to escalate. Tiote's high energy and drive should have given the attackers more freedom. Pardew wanted to progress, so took the gamble. At the time I was wary, but if it had paid off, who knows. As soon as he was sent off though, and there is a degree of hindsight here, it ended up an absolutely dreadful decision. Can't see us wining against the scum without Tiote in the team. fucks sake man, he was one yellow away from a ban, it was a dreadful decision to have him on the bench Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his one really stupid decision so far was bringing on Tiote imo. His talking has not been at the Sourness level, but when things start to go tits up, I expect it to escalate. Tiote's high energy and drive should have given the attackers more freedom. Pardew wanted to progress, so took the gamble. At the time I was wary, but if it had paid off, who knows. As soon as he was sent off though, and there is a degree of hindsight here, it ended up an absolutely dreadful decision. Can't see us wining against the scum without Tiote in the team. stupid gamble to take given that he walked off the pitch with a tight hamstring a few days earlier, chasing a league game maybe, not a cup game though. it's hardly a priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I hope all hell does not break loose if we lose tomorrow. It will. It fkn shouldn't. Depends on the manner of defeat. As usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his one really stupid decision so far was bringing on Tiote imo. His talking has not been at the Sourness level, but when things start to go tits up, I expect it to escalate. Tiote's high energy and drive should have given the attackers more freedom. Pardew wanted to progress, so took the gamble. At the time I was wary, but if it had paid off, who knows. As soon as he was sent off though, and there is a degree of hindsight here, it ended up an absolutely dreadful decision. Can't see us wining against the scum without Tiote in the team. fucks sake man, he was one yellow away from a ban, it was a dreadful decision to have him on the bench Two tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 his one really stupid decision so far was bringing on Tiote imo. His talking has not been at the Sourness level, but when things start to go tits up, I expect it to escalate. Tiote's high energy and drive should have given the attackers more freedom. Pardew wanted to progress, so took the gamble. At the time I was wary, but if it had paid off, who knows. As soon as he was sent off though, and there is a degree of hindsight here, it ended up an absolutely dreadful decision. Can't see us wining against the scum without Tiote in the team. stupid gamble to take given that he walked off the pitch with a tight hamstring a few days earlier, chasing a league game maybe, not a cup game though. it's hardly a priority. That's the thing though, Pardew seemed determined to go somewhere in the cup and make his mark. If the gamble worked, great, but it was probably a gamble that shouldn't have been made. As I said, I wasn't happy with bringing him on at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I hope all hell does not break loose if we lose tomorrow. It will. It fkn shouldn't. Depends on the manner of defeat. As usual. Whey, true. With the players we have out, I'm far from confident we'll get any kind of result. But if we go out there laying down and asking to be bummed, then I'll be as angry as anyone obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Although it'll feel like it, losing tomorrow won't be the end of the world if it happens. We're mid-table with 28 points in the middle of January and a few wins away from securing survival and, I for one, would have accepted that in August. The bigger picture is still ok should we lose. Compare that with Villa who would be well and truly in the shit if they lose at Brum tomorrow. 6 points in the last 2 games have eased the pressure and we should go there and give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Although it'll feel like it, losing tomorrow won't be the end of the world if it happens. We're mid-table with 28 points in the middle of January and a few wins away from securing survival and, I for one, would have accepted that in August. The bigger picture is still ok should we lose. Compare that with Villa who would be well and truly in the s*** if they lose at Brum tomorrow. 6 points in the last 2 games have eased the pressure and we should go there and give it a go. Sense as always Mr Midds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Although it'll feel like it, losing tomorrow won't be the end of the world if it happens. We're mid-table with 28 points in the middle of January and a few wins away from securing survival and, I for one, would have accepted that in August. The bigger picture is still ok should we lose. Compare that with Villa who would be well and truly in the s*** if they lose at Brum tomorrow. 6 points in the last 2 games have eased the pressure and we should go there and give it a go. Sense as always Mr Midds. Yup and I also agree with Bottledog that I want to see us go there and fight for a result, the result is secondary coz I'm already expecting us to lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Manner of defeat is definitely the key point, if we go down fighting it will hurt but will be acceptable. We are missing massive players but I think we have some real fighters left in there. You can point to the Stevenage result to argue against that but I just don't think the players were ever up for that, they expected a walk over and didn't plan for what happened. This is the sort of game they get up for and will really put it all on the line. Howay the lads! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 The thing with Pardew is that his contract is geared towards bonuses so he'll be wanting to get as high in the table as he can. Not like Big Sam and 'let's get to 40'. Secretly he'll be thinking he has a fantastic chance of finishing top 6 if we win tomorrow. The danger with this kind of contract of course is that it promotes short term thinking, where getting a result today is far more important than long term planning. Either consciously or sub-consciously it can affect the decisions the manager makes and the risk he takes with players. Will youngsters get chances in the first team in games you "should" win anyway which might make them a better player in several years time ahead of playing your experienced players week in week out to make "certain" of the win? If for example you're getting a £25k bonus for every stage you get to in cup competitions, will this affect your decisions in who to play to the possible detriment of the next league game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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