Jack Flash Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell. That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one. “They can put together whatever they like. He is not for sale. I am going to say it for one last time, he is not for sale,” Why am I even pushing this issue? We're learning nothing new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell. That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one. “They can put together whatever they like. He is not for sale. I am going to say it for one last time, he is not for sale,” Why am I even pushing this issue? We're learning nothing new. The only thing we're learning is that we shouldn't believe a fucking word he says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Which we all knew anyway. You can't say "He never tells the truth" and then complain when he doesn't tell the truth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 You can say 'he never tells the truth' then complain when people criticise you for posting it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I couldn't stand Pardew when he wasn't our manager but I quite like him as our boss now. I don't cringe at the thought of him representing us when I see him on the touchline. Agree. He's growing on me as well. Whilst I agree, I do cringe when he represents us in the press room. The guy needs some lessons in how to talk properly Just hope there are no "...... will not be sold this summer" situations. Would really damage his credibility. Dec 10th: "The fact he (Carroll) is a local boy and has a certain 'je ne sais quoi' bodes well. He is somebody the Toon Army loves, and I guarantee while I am here he will be here.” I do wish he'd stop saying that too. Del Boy esque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I couldn't stand Pardew when he wasn't our manager but I quite like him as our boss now. I don't cringe at the thought of him representing us when I see him on the touchline. Agree. He's growing on me as well. Whilst I agree, I do cringe when he represents us in the press room. The guy needs some lessons in how to talk properly Just hope there are no "...... will not be sold this summer" situations. Would really damage his credibility. Dec 10th: "The fact he (Carroll) is a local boy and has a certain 'je ne sais quoi' bodes well. He is somebody the Toon Army loves, and I guarantee while I am here he will be here.” More fool you for believing him. Nothing more than a soundbite when in reality it was never his call. When did i say I believed it? Just pointing out that he has already made a dick of himself guaranteeing things he has no control over. He's only 'made a dick of himself' to the idiots who believe everything he comes out with. Not everyone took his word as gospel. right o, blatant lying makes you look like a dick,regardless of who does or doesnt believe you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 He still talks too much. It'll end up getting him in bother one way or another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 At the time Pardew made the comment about Carroll I think he believed it. What AP said was in response to being asked about Carroll by the press and he wasn't going to say that if someone bid £35m and offered Carroll £80k a week (or whatever it is) then there was a deal to be done. The problem was that he came out with his comment when our owner, another club and the player himself could all completely overturn it. Probably best if he says nothing about players leaving - that will, of course, invite speculation but everything invites speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell. That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one. 1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football 2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered. 3) It's nothing like that analogy at all He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget). As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Which we all knew anyway. Except that there are plenty of people who are still saying things like he comes across well in interviews, and he's saying all the right stuff giving them hope for the future, etc. eg: Pardew post match 'we need 4 players who can get the fans off their seats' Sounds good I've been strongly against him from the start and I'm still not convinced, but in fairness he's consistently saying the right things. Its brilliant - I'm almost starting to believe them. Went to the talk in, and I was very pleased in the way he answered the questions and I truly believe he can take us forward. This maybe a slightly drunken view! But he really did seem to ensure the fans of the future he wants to take. When people are so readily convinced by words, what's wrong with occasionally reminding them how reliable the source is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell. That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one. 1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football 2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered. 3) It's nothing like that analogy at all He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget). As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise. For all we know he may have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell. That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one. 1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football 2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered. 3) It's nothing like that analogy at all He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget). As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise. For all we know he may have. I don't particularly believe that he did, as for me it would have involved using the press more to put the onus on the owner not to sell, eg with "the owner knows that if the player is sold after the assurances I've been given then I'll walk" kind of ultimatums, rather than typical raise the price press talk. However, if he did in fact in private do everything in his power to stop the transfer or ensure an adequate replacement was brought in for the second half of the season, the fact that the club made no attempt to even pretend to do so (a la the Richardson/N'Zogbia "enquiries") goes to show just how little influence he has, and how highly the owner and the casino boss value the opinion of their manager in footballing matters. It certainly shouldn't encourage people to put much credence in what he is now saying about the Summer and in his ability to have much say in what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 he picks the team, thats all he's allowed to do, and he took the job on those conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 he picks the team, thats all he's allowed to do, and he took the job on those conditions. I humbly disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 It took the biggest fee ever in British football to make them sell. That's like me saying I'm never going to buy a mansion, then being given £5m to get one. 1) It wasn't the biggest fee ever in British football 2) You don't know they wouldn't have sold for less if that's all that was offered. 3) It's nothing like that analogy at all He had no choice about the club selling Carroll. However he made a big song and dance when he joined about being given a guarantee that Carroll would not be sold. If he had any integrity he should have made a stand and threatened to quit if the player was sold (unless he was replaced immediately with a striker he considered to be better and was given a guarantee that all the remaining money would be put back into in the transfer budget). As it was we went into the second half of the season where we were doing okay, but were by no means safe from relegation with 1 striker who was proven to be adequate at this level, but who is very injury prone, 1 striker who was proven to be inadequate at this level, and 2 strikers who were completely unproven at this level. Newly promoted clubs are notorious for having a good start and nosediving in the second half of the season, the sale of Carroll with no replacement could easily have triggered that decline. It's risky management to the point of negligence from an owner who has supposedly learned from his mistakes, but the manager being the senior man in charge of the footballing side of the club should be doing everything in his power to try to stop it or at least try and compensate for the loss of the player with an immediate replacement, permanent or otherwise. For all we know he may have. I don't particularly believe that he did, as for me it would have involved using the press more to put the onus on the owner not to sell, eg with "the owner knows that if the player is sold after the assurances I've been given then I'll walk" kind of ultimatums, rather than typical raise the price press talk. However, if he did in fact in private do everything in his power to stop the transfer or ensure an adequate replacement was brought in for the second half of the season, the fact that the club made no attempt to even pretend to do so (a la the Richardson/N'Zogbia "enquiries") goes to show just how little influence he has, and how highly the owner and the casino boss value the opinion of their manager in footballing matters. It certainly shouldn't encourage people to put much credence in what he is now saying about the Summer and in his ability to have much say in what happens. We've just sold Carroll for £35m. I'd be surprised if Pardew didn't spend a fair whack on new players this summer. If that doesn't happen I'll happily come back on this thread and say you were right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Any word on whether the players are having an end of season pardy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Seeing as 'we all know' Pardew has no say over transfers, can someone enlighten me as to who does now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Seeing as 'we all know' Pardew has no say over transfers, can someone enlighten me as to who does now? Dennis Wise has been controlling everything by email all along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Seeing as 'we all know' Pardew has no say over transfers, can someone enlighten me as to who does now? Derek Llambias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Any word on whether the players are having an end of season pardy? Nar but the wives and girlfriends are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Any word on whether the players are having an end of season pardy? Nar but the wives and girlfriends are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 he picks the team, thats all he's allowed to do, and he took the job on those conditions. I humbly disagree. no worries,guess we'll have to wait for a book to come out to know for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 he picks the team, thats all he's allowed to do, and he took the job on those conditions. I humbly disagree. no worries,guess we'll have to wait for a book to come out to know for sure divvent hold your breath, i'd hoped keegans memoirs of his time would've been out by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 -So Mr Keegan, why did you leave the St James' Park hotseat? -Buy my book, it'll all be in there. I'll never forget that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 29 points from 22 games if we beat WBA. Terrific return, all things considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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