Alan Pardew

[Benwell Lad]

Its not Steven Taylor missing that is the reason we are playing gash IMO.

The signs where there for all to see long before he got injured, but our unbeaten run was papering over the cracks.

It is a bit unfair on the lad to credit the entire team playing well to his presence alone,he comes back from injury and we should all suddenly expect to play well?

Seems like grasping at straws a bit to try looking for missing first-teamers as a reason why we have played poor fotball for half a year now, a defender no less.

The inherent problem is with the current philosophy and coaching, not an injured CB.

 

 

Out of interest are you a Newcastle supporter ?

Nothing to do with your dislike of our manager but your style of argument seems similar to a couple of "non-Newcastle" fans who posted on here in the past.

[Mole_Toonfan]

The summer and preseason will make it or break it for Pardew in my eyes.

We need to get the right players in, to fill the positions we are weak in pr now.

And we need to work on our play, not how to stop others.

We need to be able to take they game into our hands, set the tempo and dictate the play.

 

I dislike the way we play at the moment, its simply not good football. I think we are wasting a lot of potential.

 

I am a Pardew critic because of the way we have played this season, but are willing to give him a chance over the summer to put things right. We have showed great character and work rate this season, and won many matches we would have lost a couple of years ago.

But we want to see progression, we need to take a step forward and play football, this have to be Pardews job over the summer. Get us to play a system that benefit the players we have.

 

I hope we have a decent run in to the season, and if possible secure a European spot.

When this is completed, then Pardew and the lads get this season on a distance, reflect on the, to be fair, many positive things this season. (we are 6th tbh) and build on it. If we secure a top 7, i think a lot of weight will be off the players and especially Pardews shoulders.

 

Hopefully Pardew are up for it, as if next season starts where we are now, i am afraid Pardew is not the right man to take us the next step.

 

Until then, lets get behind the manager and players, and keep the faith. There will be no good to get on the back of the players&manger at this stage.

 

Top post and sounds completely fair on all parts 

[Hughesy]

I fail to understand how the people who see positives in our play this season (and there have been many) can't also see that those positives are getting more sporadic as the season goes on. If it was the other way around then everyone would be delighted, but it's not and that's the concern. On the whole we're actually devolving in terms of the style of play - something that Pardew himself has championed as a key point to watch this season. Yes, there have been injuries, suspensions and the ACoN to deal with but none of these are things that other clubs don't also have to deal with.

 

Qualifying for Europe would be an amazing success, but as others have suggested it might be way too early for us as a club.

 

I don't think that the negative Pardew posts are as objective and rational as they should be - certainly not as rational as your post.  Quite quickly they degenerate into either just plain abuse and name calling of Pardew or posts suggesting that he is clueless, tactically naive and a PR man (or all of the above).

 

you pipe up with this type of thing from time to time, i'm not seeing it myself - look at the last few pages, a rational discussion and analysis of things from both sides with no name calling

 

I think I made one comment in a similar vein.

 

I think the last few pages have actually contained some good discussion, without any hyperbolic statements from either camp.  Would like it to stay like that, but it never does.

[wormy]

Pardew's a cunt. Just a puppet with absolutely no knowledge. Did I mention he's a cunt?

[Hughesy]

[ScottishMagpie]

For me he's become far too defensive in his thinking/tactics.  Not quite sure exactly when this change occurred tho he still likes to mention Saylor quite a lot!  Maybe he was surprised by our start to the season and seeing where we were sitting it became a case of protecting that position at all costs.  Apart from the 2nd half against the unwashed I can't think of when the last match was which we dominated.  Don't get me wrong, love it when we win but just think we're capable of much more in this overhyped league.

 

Yesterday for example we had Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Jonas on the pitch.  No offence intended to Norwich but we should have won that match comfortably.  Pardew seems to concentrate a lot on how to stop the opposition and not enough on what we can do. I'm not trying to advocate a return to the 'you score three, we'll score four philosophy' but would like to see him set out out our attacking players where they should be played (eg. Cabaye needs to be further up the pitch) instruct them to get the ball on the deck and say to the opposition 'you worry about us!'.

 

Was just thinking we're on course to have our best season since SBR but I'm not going to be rushing out to buy the season review DVD.  I'll buy the Man U game instead!

[littlelunchbox]

come on lads lets not use Saylor's injury as a reason for the lack quality of football we play lol

 

Really?  One centreback can really dictate that much play?  Besides our most technical defender by a large margin is Colo not Saylor.

[Elliottman]

Its encouraging at least that he acknowledges that we arent playing well I guess. At least we are still picking up points and are sitting pretty in the league.

 

Of course, if we were playing like this and sitting in the bottom half, then it'd be a different matter.

[littlelunchbox]

people been making some grumbles about how tired our squad look, it's no surprise going by how we play. 

 

What we do is we run our selves to the ground because we choose to.  Because we refuse to even try to keep the ball and pass it around, we prefer to let the opposition do that instead, whilst we run around like headless chickens trying to break up their play lol

 

when we finally do get the ball we hoof it aka lose the ball or let the opposition have it and then we try to break up their play again, when we finally get the ball, hoof,

 

and then process repeats and rinse repeat.

[Zero]

come on lads lets not use Saylor's injury as a reason for the lack quality of football we play lol

 

Really?  One centreback can really dictate that much play?  Besides our most technical defender by a large margin is Colo not Saylor.

 

Saylor is decent, Williamson is shit.  That a big difference.

 

btw, LLB, you really sounds like we are a top4 team and playing shit football that didn't utilize our players and as a result we are not in contention for the 4th spot. Am I getting it wrong?

[Parky]

people been making some grumbles about how tired our squad look, it's no surprise going by how we play. 

 

What we do is we run our selves to the ground because we choose to.  Because we refuse to even try to keep the ball and pass it around, we prefer to let the opposition do that instead, whilst we run around like headless chickens trying to break up their play lol

 

when we finally do get the ball we hoof it aka lose the ball or let the opposition have it and then we try to break up their play again, when we finally get the ball, hoof,

 

and then process repeats and rinse repeat.

 

We're running too much cause we don't keep a hold of the ball when we get it and that isn't due to having bad players it's cause they are INSTRUCTED to hit the front early.

[littlelunchbox]

come on lads lets not use Saylor's injury as a reason for the lack quality of football we play lol

 

Really?  One centreback can really dictate that much play?  Besides our most technical defender by a large margin is Colo not Saylor.

 

Saylor is decent, Williamson is s***.  That a big difference.

 

btw, LLB, you really sounds like we are a top4 team and playing s*** football that didn't utilize our players and as a result we are not in contention for the 4th spot. Am I getting it wrong?

 

are you nuts? how did you get that impression.

 

my point is, having saylor in the team is not going to change the style of our gameplay.

[littlelunchbox]

people been making some grumbles about how tired our squad look, it's no surprise going by how we play. 

 

What we do is we run our selves to the ground because we choose to.  Because we refuse to even try to keep the ball and pass it around, we prefer to let the opposition do that instead, whilst we run around like headless chickens trying to break up their play lol

 

when we finally do get the ball we hoof it aka lose the ball or let the opposition have it and then we try to break up their play again, when we finally get the ball, hoof,

 

and then process repeats and rinse repeat.

 

We're running too much cause we don't keep a hold of the ball when we get it and that isn't due to having bad players it's cause they are INSTRUCTED to hit the front early.

 

that is exactly my point Parky 

[Guest Deadmau5]

Alan Pardew told the Chronicle: “I am glad to mark it with a win.

 

“I am absolutely delighted – it is probably the happiest I have felt after a win.

 

We did not have a balanced side – we had people playing out of position – and eight senior players missing.

 

“It was a very difficult game. Now, It gives us nine games and we have to win four of them. That is possible.

 

“If we had not have won, we would have had to win five, and I don’t think we would have done that.”

 

 

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[eliassenfredrik]

Alan Pardew told the Chronicle: “I am glad to mark it with a win.

 

“I am absolutely delighted – it is probably the happiest I have felt after a win.

 

We did not have a balanced side – we had people playing out of position – and eight senior players missing.

 

“It was a very difficult game. Now, It gives us nine games and we have to win four of them. That is possible.

 

“If we had not have won, we would have had to win five, and I don’t think we would have done that.”

 

 

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[arnonel]

which of the eight senior players would have made the starting line up? I count Tiote

[Zero]

come on lads lets not use Saylor's injury as a reason for the lack quality of football we play lol

 

Really?  One centreback can really dictate that much play?  Besides our most technical defender by a large margin is Colo not Saylor.

 

Saylor is decent, Williamson is s***.  That a big difference.

 

btw, LLB, you really sounds like we are a top4 team and playing s*** football that didn't utilize our players and as a result we are not in contention for the 4th spot. Am I getting it wrong?

 

are you nuts? how did you get that impression.

 

my point is, having saylor in the team is not going to change the style of our gameplay.

 

Your main point is that we aren't playing our best and our result should be better by playing the style of football that Pardew didn't deploy.  So can I assume that you believe we have a top4 squad and should be challenging for the Champions League?

[Pilko]

Tiote, Steven Taylor, Ryan Taylor

 

Best was starting games regularly before his injury. Marveaux would have been on the bench instead of fucking Donaldson.

 

I also count little Shane, Obertan (bench), Harper and Lovenkrands amongst the injured.

[Jayson]

people been making some grumbles about how tired our squad look, it's no surprise going by how we play. 

 

What we do is we run our selves to the ground because we choose to.  Because we refuse to even try to keep the ball and pass it around, we prefer to let the opposition do that instead, whilst we run around like headless chickens trying to break up their play lol

 

when we finally do get the ball we hoof it aka lose the ball or let the opposition have it and then we try to break up their play again, when we finally get the ball, hoof,

 

and then process repeats and rinse repeat.

 

We're running too much cause we don't keep a hold of the ball when we get it and that isn't due to having bad players it's cause they are INSTRUCTED to hit the front early.

 

that is exactly my point Parky 

 

Pardew did well to get the message across to the entire side in seconds after we scored, must be using earpieces like. No chance it could have anything to do with some players just lacking the right mentality. Just like Shola purposely only becomes lethal in training i imagine. Bloody Pardew man.

[aussiemag]

Tiote, S.Taylor and Marveaux ( maybe ) ?

[eliassenfredrik]

which of the eight senior players would have made the starting line up? I count Tiote

 

For me: Tiote, Steven Taylor and Marveaux (Would play Jonas at full back)

 

For Pards: Probably Tiote, Steven Taylor and Ryan Taylor (the fantastic player).

[TRon]

Very strange game yesterday. We started the game really well I thought (there was a definite emphasis on passing it around, and Krul and Williamson didn't hoof it in the first 15 mins at all), but as soon as we scored and the crowd got on Williamson's back for that insane moment in the first half, we seemed to lose confidence in our ability to pass it around. That being said, without playing well at all after that, we still could have easily scored another 3 or 4 goals.

 

All of the players did look shattered / low on confidence like (apart from Perch, who was immense, and Cisse).

 

With all that being said though, I was still disappointed when I left the game. Felt like we should have dominated more.

 

I agree in the past few months we haven't played good football, but the early signs yesterday was that we were trying to. So I'm not sure how much Pardew was to blame yesterday. It was clear in the first 15 mins that they were instructive to keep it down and pass it. The player's confidence seemed to revert them to hitting it long the longer the game wore on though.

 

I'd agree with that on balance. It's the manager's job to try and instil and maintain that confidence though. Reverting to awful football isn't the answer.

 

I agree. But I'm just trying to be balanced in my opinion. It was frustrating viewing yesterday. Initially I'd say it was the players fault for resorting to long ball / deep defending, but Pardew should have sorted it. What I'm getting at though, is that it was clear that our game plan was  initially to try and play "proper" football, so I'm not on the "Pardew sets up to play long ball" bandwagon just yet.

 

I think performances like Norwich and Arsenal highlight why we should be training in a way that encourages football based on passing and moving. We tried to do it at Arsenal and essentially got nowhere and we tried to do it yesterday but stopped after 15 minutes. If the players were doing it day in day out they wouldnt look so bloody clueless on the odd occasion that Pardew decides he wants us to pass it about a bit.

 

That's the impression I get as well. We definitely were trying to pass the ball around yesterday but it looked like the players had no idea how to go about it. It's one of the reasons I keep going back to what Keegan did after trying to repair the club following Sam Allardyce's disastrous reign. He coached passing, preached it, fiddled with formations to get it working and publicly took all responsibility for poor results when it wasn't working. Within 10 games he had us purring like a rolls royce engine.

 

Pardew has had almost a full season and the players look more bemused now than at the start of it. I'll be amazed if we repeat the success of this season next year if he's still boss tbh.

[Dave]

What did Cabaye do btw? Read on here that he was mouthing off at Pardew, but I missed it at the game.

[colinmk]

What did Cabaye do btw? Read on here that he was mouthing off at Pardew, but I missed it at the game.

 

Didn't do much I thought, just looked unimpressed by whatever Pardew said to him on the sidelines.

[Sifu]

What did Cabaye do btw? Read on here that he was mouthing off at Pardew, but I missed it at the game.

 

From what I gather, the story is pretty much this:

 

When Shola came on, he told Cabaye to push up into a position just behind Ba, ie. it was instructions to attack. When Gosling came on though, Cabaye was then pretty much told to hang back and let Gosling play in an advanced role. Yohan was understandably unimpressed. Nothing major to worry about imo.