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You think it's 'understandable' that an apparent fan of the club was not only willing to thrown away every shred of dignity he has in order to maintain a paycheck from some utter lunatic hell-bent on destroying us, but is now putting himself forward to manage us despite having absolutely no qualities suited for the role? I think it's the opposite of understandable personally, it's unfathomable.

 

He's being handed his dream job on a plate, it's perfectly understandable. He shouldn't be anywhere near us if we we happened to be a self-respecting outfit, but we're not.

 

Don't have much against Carver as a person tbh. As a manager he's liable to be an absolute disgrace, but any vitriol shouldn't be heading his way.

Of course vitriol should go his way, as well as the way of any other manager who throws their hat in the ring who isn't good enough. Otherwise we're indirectly allowing Ashley to further do whatever it is he wants, like we're some kind of charity for shit journeymen.

 

Carver shouldn't be in charge and he knows he shouldn't be in charge, he's also shown himself to be a cunt and an arselicker, fuck him.

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On account of him offering fans out, the correct course of action would have been to meet the fan at training and apologise wholeheartedly for his "passionate" display at the game and take back what he said. So, yes, that is inclusive of "top 10 reasons Carver is a cunt".

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I imagine he was taken into a room after that game with Mike, The Bishop and The King seated behind a ludicrously long table, and - expecting to hand in his notice - was instead offered a lifeline in return for handing over his soul.

 

Now he's pretty much the Mouth of Sauron.

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Hans is hugely underrated in the football section.  Doesn't even devote anywhere near enough time to being hilarious anymore, he's trying to right that many wrongs.

 

I love this "You can't blame Carvs" rhetroic that's getting trotted out now, sort of reminds me of "Poor Pards" as if they're earnestly trying to do a good job in the face of an arsehole of an owner, when in actual fact neither of them would be near the top job at our club if their tongue wasn't so firmly lodged up our arsehole of an owner's arse.

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I'm not saying that I fully support Carver being (temporary) manager - I certainly don't think he has the credentials to get the job full time. He hasn't covered himself in glory with his recent behaviour, and is definitely tainted by his association with Pardew, Ashley etc. The negative / uncreative way that we have played for a long time adds to concerns about his coaching ability in the here and now.

 

However, if we think back to when SBR was here, he was hugely rated as a coach, and I recall many people, myself included being very disappointed when he left after Sourness came (and what a great manager he was!)

 

Has he been misquoted over SBR and Gary Speed being with him? He worked for SBR under great times and coached Speed during this period. Speed later took him on as coach at Sheffield United, so perhaps whilst a little misguided, what he said wasn't actually as bad as it's being viewed here?

 

So no, I don't think he's the right man for the job and his behaviour towards the fans at Southampton was very poor. However could we really expect a better appointment mid-season when Pardew's departure was so unplanned? He is undoubtedly Newcastle United through and through, so I suppose it's only natural that he would want his chance. I think we will struggle badly for the rest of the season, but I don't think that Carver is the enemy here.

 

 

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However well intentioned, he's part of the sins of past iteration of the regime. He has negative impact and therefore is an enemy. I don't know what your definition of that would be in this context. It's also about being constantly, healthily cynical and sticking to your guns about your expectations of the club, not just saying accept it because it is what was bound to happen.

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I can't get my head around people saying we couldn't have got a good manager mid season. Many other clubs manage to do it, we just didn't want to shell out for it. Huge difference.

 

^ Thats it, in a nutshell.

 

The whole club is run on doing things on the cheap, under the guise of 'value'.

 

Exactly like when they sacked Hughton, because he'd supposedly took us as far as he could. They could have looked for a decent manager to takle the team forward, even paid a bit of compensation for one, but no - they went for an out of work bloke not long sacked from a league 1 club, who was desperate for a job, and wasn't even paid much (in comparative managers terms).

 

If they do appoint a different manager in the summer, it wont be someone they have to pay compensation money for. It'll be someone still out of work, if they haven't been snapped up by another club. If no-one else is available, Carver will probably get it 'for a season' at  least.

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I can't get my head around people saying we couldn't have got a good manager mid season. Many other clubs manage to do it, we just didn't want to shell out for it. Huge difference.

 

Sorry, I should have added 'couldn't expect ..... under this regime'. Of course we could get a good manager mid-season. It's just Ashley will never spend money to buy out a contract, and do we really think he will ever spend to get a GOOD manager - at any time? It's Ashley's regime that I despair of.

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I can't get my head around people saying we couldn't have got a good manager mid season. Many other clubs manage to do it.

 

Name this huge list please, mind you I agree with the notion we could have done. But it's very rare that a manager leaves one club in the middle of the season for another.

 

Spurs went with Sherwood for a reason, most clubs don't make permanent appointments in the middle of a season and if they do they get managers who are out of work.

 

Which is why we shouldn't have fucked up with Garde, but please can we stop acting like it's a normal thing in a blind crusade against the club.

 

I don't want to sound like this, because I hate these assholes but at least try to be level headed for once.

 

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Totalsport last night, they had the fans forum members on, and Howey was sitting in for Ando again.

 

Fans forum member.... "Carver is a safe pair of hands"

 

Howey.... "He's a great coach, and has the experience to do the job"

 

Enough said.

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the first ten pages of this thread v the last ten  :2funny: just sayin like

 

Granted, but most expected it to be Carver knowing the area and affecting them, not them affecting him and him being a prick.

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A jammy draw against Burnley and 3 losses is canny going like:

 

Lee Ryder @lee_ryder  ·  4m 4 minutes ago

 

JC says #nufc board were "encouraged" by efforts so far

0 replies . 3 retweets 0 favourites

 

We really need to get battered regularly now.

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