Gallowgate Toon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 11:42, Nobody said: Quote Stoke kept the ball like that because they never tried to actively take any kind of risk. Defensive posession football is the worst kind to watch. Swansea under Rodgers were the worst, constantly passing it around the defenders like you do to wind someone up on FIFA. Said it in the match thread, but that Stoke possession stat was very misleading. Like you said, a lot of it was just passing it around not taking any risks whatsoever, and especially in the first half it felt like they took a minute or two for every f***ing throw in, which I assume counts as possession for them. It did annoy me that in the second half we didn't do more to break up their possession because I thought we looked like a threat when we had the ball, so bringing Abeid on to help control the midfield more would have been ideal. This was my biggest gripe. It was almost as if Carver decided he knew they wanted to keep possession (to kill the tempo) so he just let them have it until we got the opportunity for a break. No attempt to push them up a bit higher so we could get on the ball (and in potentially better areas) and control the pace of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 11:48, Gallowgate Toon said: Quote Quote Stoke kept the ball like that because they never tried to actively take any kind of risk. Defensive posession football is the worst kind to watch. Swansea under Rodgers were the worst, constantly passing it around the defenders like you do to wind someone up on FIFA. Said it in the match thread, but that Stoke possession stat was very misleading. Like you said, a lot of it was just passing it around not taking any risks whatsoever, and especially in the first half it felt like they took a minute or two for every f***ing throw in, which I assume counts as possession for them. It did annoy me that in the second half we didn't do more to break up their possession because I thought we looked like a threat when we had the ball, so bringing Abeid on to help control the midfield more would have been ideal. This was my biggest gripe. It was almost as if Carver decided he knew they wanted to keep possession (to kill the tempo) so he just let them have it until we got the opportunity for a break. No attempt to push them up a bit higher so we could get on the ball (and in potentially better areas) and control the pace of the game. Couldn't help but think of the "we're more dangerous without possession" quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 11:29, mozy said: Stoke kept the ball like that because they never tried to actively take any kind of risk. Defensive posession football is the worst kind to watch. Swansea under Rodgers were the worst, constantly passing it around the defenders like you do to wind someone up on FIFA. Disagree. They actually maintained possession in the middle of the pitch and approaching our goal at times. It's a far cry from our misleading possession stats where we pass it across the back 4 for ages, then punt it forward. Why do teams need to high press against us, when we do fuck all with the ball and just try to go back to front all the while? I'd much rather hang onto the ball and look to exploit an opening or drag someone out of position and capitalise on a moment of indiscipline. Than just play the percentages. All of that, whilst at the same time keeping the ball away from the opposition. It reminded me of the Allardyce days watching yesterday. It was also quite similar to England v Wales in the 6 Nations we seem to kick for territory an awful lot. Most average to decent teams at this level can manage to hold onto the ball for long spells surely? It's not as if our team is littered with cloggers either. We have a few of course. But it has to start with coaching and I don't think any of the fans have confidence in the current bunch of jokers. I doubt the players do either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 12:05, Nath said: Quote Stoke kept the ball like that because they never tried to actively take any kind of risk. Defensive posession football is the worst kind to watch. Swansea under Rodgers were the worst, constantly passing it around the defenders like you do to wind someone up on FIFA. Disagree. They actually maintained possession in the middle of the pitch and approaching our goal at times. It's a far cry from our misleading possession stats where we pass it across the back 4 for ages, then punt it forward. Why do teams need to high press against us, when we do fuck all with the ball and just try to go back to front all the while? I'd much rather hang onto the ball and look to exploit an opening or drag someone out of position and capitalise on a moment of indiscipline. Than just play the percentages. All of that, whilst at the same time keeping the ball away from the opposition. It reminded me of the Allardyce days watching yesterday. It was also quite similar to England v Wales in the 6 Nations we seem to kick for territory an awful lot. Most average to decent teams at this level can manage to hold onto the ball for long spells surely? It's not as if our team is littered with cloggers either. We have a few of course. But it has to start with coaching and I don't think any of the fans have confidence in the current bunch of jokers. I doubt the players do either. See I'd say we let them have the ball as a conscious tactic as they were doing so little with it. We set up like an away side yesterday and our reliance on the counter attack to create chances speaks volumes about the people in charge, as you say. But do I want to see us keep the ball like that? Hell no. It's so easy to defend against a team that is so one dimensional with the ball and just cycles the ball between the fullbacks on the halfway line. To me, the best teams are varied in their style, have the ability to keep the ball, play more direct, know when to hold the ball and know when to press. Jupp Heynckes' Bayern side before Pep were fantastic at that, the way they destroyed Barca was brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-pardew-par-sir-bobby-8607937?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter The two aren't even comparable, you utter muppet. EDIT: Just actually read it. Another one of Ryder's stories where there is no quote in the article to directly back up the headline. Never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 That headline is cray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 There is definitely a change in approach and in fact how we play under Carver. We seem to try or rather want to get at the opposition a bit more and we are less direct down the middle. That said, we are still a shambles as a team and rely massively on the individuals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 That's a fucking ludicrous headline from Ryder like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I appreciated Carver saying that we conceded through being too negative at the end, passing it backwards too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Carver's brown-nosing. Why doesn't he just give Palace the points on Weds night too? I'd bet he's been told to say this by Keith Bishop, on Ashley's orders. it's more blatant trolling of us lot. Wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hope some fucking loon irons his fucking face soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bada Bing Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The blokes completely lost the plot, been in the job two minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 22:41, ManDoon said: http://bit.ly/16Id6sP @milesstarforth: Alan Pardew backed for ENGLAND job by Newcastle successor John Carver. http://t.co/VqzVlARDsD #nufc Jesus wept! Horrendous that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 His breath probably smells of Pardew's arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 22:55, Disco said: Hope some fucking loon irons his fucking face soon. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 22:52, ManDoon said: @dpcoverdale: Carver on Pardew: "Me, Woody and Steve Stone would have a laugh and joke and say, ‘Do you think he will take us to England with him?’ #nufc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 22:58, Paully said: Quote http://bit.ly/16Id6sP @milesstarforth: Alan Pardew backed for ENGLAND job by Newcastle successor John Carver. http://t.co/VqzVlARDsD #nufc Jesus wept! Horrendous that! His legacy. Fuck me, man. Set neesy on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is this stuff really happening? Christ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 22:52, ManDoon said: @dpcoverdale: Carver on Pardew: "Me, Woody and Steve Stone would have a laugh and joke and say, ‘Do you think he will take us to England with him?’ #nufc HAHA Fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 What did Carver say after the match about Abeid? I was in the car earlier and had total sport on and they were saying something about JC blaming Abeid for the Stoke equaliser and something about not following instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Was just trying to get to the end of the season. Was really trying to give him the benefit of the (huge) doubt and watch some football but for him to come out and say this confirms he's 100% a bloody idiot. Going to Palace on Wednesday then I'm done for the season. Fucking idiotic time wasters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 On 09/02/2015 at 22:52, ManDoon said: @dpcoverdale: Carver on Pardew: "Me, Woody and Steve Stone would have a laugh and joke and say, ‘Do you think he will take us to England with him?’ #nufc he blatantly just wants Pardew to return the favour. It'll be hilarious if The King blanks him on Wednesday, not even a handshake, he's beneath him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Honestly ... the state of this wretch http://www.shieldsgazette.com/webimage/1.7097633.1423504574!/image/3133392189.jpg_gen/derivatives/articleImgDeriv_628px/3133392189.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Quote “Me, Woody and Steve Stone would have a laugh and joke about it – we’d say ‘do you think he will take us to England with him?’ “That was us – we’d have a bit of craic in the golf club. He was focused on this job, we used to have a laugh and joke about it.” If this guy is made permanent manager, I don't think I could bother anymore. He's so terrible. How can someone be so unaware of how to speak and how to carry themselves, at his age? I actually find it a bit disturbing. He's a really inadequate person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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