UV Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 We cashed in on James Milner in similar circumstances, no replacement and it ended in relegation. Lessons have not been learned. People call it panic buying but there are times when you have to panic, such as when you have no forwards of any pedigree at all. Doing nothing and letting a bad situation develop is far worse. But that was different, that was a great deal because we'll easily be able to bring in a better winger than Milner for half the money we got for him. Eventually, I'm sure... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Mike Ashley. Reply #1. Thread over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Players were not brought in because, other than Ben Arfa, there were no good value deals to be had. There seldom is value to be had in January unless you are selling a player. The high profile transfers in the last few weeks have all been done at what could conservatively be described as very full prices. The club's current buying policy is based on looking for value and nothing else, if no value is to be found then they will plug gaps with a loan. If none of that is available they will do nothing. The lateness of the Carroll deal meant that there were no loan players left who were worth looking at let alone a player for sale at a decent price. There was clearly a high expectation that Routledge would be replaced but Ireland isn't really that replacement. Gaps were not plugged in this transfer window they were opened up. It's going to be an interesting 3 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Its fucking annoying me that Chelsea and Liverpool didnt let one striker go until they knew they had another coming in, yet Newcastle failed again. I don't blame us for not spunking millions on a striker worth only half the price, but surely we should have been looking to bring in a striker anyway without Carroll leaving. Sturridge would have been a great loan signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Deals fell apart due to financial demands of clubs and players. The club has a set valuation of a player that it never goes above and beyond now. This is good and probably the right thing to do but I don't think it's possible until everyone calms down with valuations. You get the odd gem but I think Tiote is one in a hundred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The basic answer to the OP is "nobody knows". For all we know the club could have had a few deals in the pipeline that fell through due to unreasonable demands from players and other clubs. It's not always right for NUFC to pay whatever somebody else is asking. If the real question is "did we need to bring in players in January" the answer would be definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The basic answer to the OP is "nobody knows". For all we know the club could have had a few deals in the pipeline that fell through due to unreasonable demands from players and other clubs. It's not always right for NUFC to pay whatever somebody else is asking. If the real question is "did we need to bring in players in January" the answer would be definitely. Agreed. Entirely possible that club x and club y agreed that a player might be available... only for club x to ask for more money once they realised we suddenly had an extra £35m floating around, and for the player at club y to not fancy a loan move or whatever when approached. Could be a million reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ashleys a Cunt. Next question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 the club not wanting to be held to ransom for player's wages or transfer fees for the most part. that and bad planning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 if they'd had deals lined up for good players, planned in advance we'd have fucking heard about it pardew couldn't keep his mouth shut man they didn't plan anything, simple as that, anyone thinking otherwise: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ashley's intentions are clearly short-term - to recoup every pound he's ploughed into the club and bail out. He obviously views selling assets and operating on a shoestring as the most viable means of achieving this, and not squad strengthening and aiming for Europe/trophy. And with Hughton gone and his puppet Pardew at the helm, he's got a manager he can walk all over to do this. The best we can hope for IMO is making a good profit on the like of Tiote, Enrique etc, survival in the Prem and Ashley finally getting the money he wants to sell up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ashley's intentions are clearly short-term - to recoup every pound he's ploughed into the club and bail out. He obviously views selling assets and operating on a shoestring as the most viable means of achieving this, and not squad strengthening and aiming for Europe/trophy. And with Hughton gone and his puppet Pardew at the helm, he's got a manager he can walk all over to do this. He hasn't sold many assets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 i feel pretty sure they knew people were gona come asking about carroll and they should have had some targets of thier own. We will now struggle to score goals the rest of this season. A little bit of hope we could achieve something this season had crept in, its just crept back out. survival is only hope now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Bearing in mind the macums tried desperately to get a forward in for a couple of weeks and failed miserably, it's no surprise we couldn't do anything in four hours. Many of us would have had a new forward as the priority before the window even opened, losing Carroll and now Shola makes not doing so look even more stupid, but that is with a generous helping of hindsight. Really funny reading people lamenting Xisco's departure. They're right of course but it's still funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ashley's intentions are clearly short-term - to recoup every pound he's ploughed into the club and bail out. He obviously views selling assets and operating on a shoestring as the most viable means of achieving this, and not squad strengthening and aiming for Europe/trophy. And with Hughton gone and his puppet Pardew at the helm, he's got a manager he can walk all over to do this. He hasn't sold many assets. we haven't had many assets tbf have we? enrique is just starting to get noticed, barton is just starting to look the part and so is colo only others that come close are milner and given and he sold them didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Had to get rid of Routledge and Xisco's wages to allow Pardew to bring Ireland in. Nothing more to it than that IMO. This I reckon. Still needed to look at someone like Keane on loan, or even bloody Martins. A wage structure is fair enough, but you have to be flexible enough to make the odd short-term decision. I'm guessing that the problem is that there are still a handful of silly wages left on the books, and that Ashley wants to bring wages down to a specific percentage of turnover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Bearing in mind the macums tried desperately to get a forward in for a couple of weeks and failed miserably, it's no surprise we couldn't do anything in four hours. Many of us would have had a new forward as the priority before the window even opened, losing Carroll and now Shola makes not doing so look even more stupid, but that is with a generous helping of hindsight. Really funny reading people lamenting Xisco's departure. They're right of course but it's still funny. Agreed that getting a forward in isn't necessarily easy. We tried all window too (allegedly). Don't think you can say that hindsight was needed to see that you needed a forward though, it was pretty damn obvious even before the Carroll stuff and if you even have an inkling that he might go you should have a Plan B in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 We have seen this kind of incompetence before - it is clear to everyone where the squad is weak yet they seem oblivious to it, the decisions this lot make are just baffling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 i feel pretty sure they knew people were gona come asking about carroll and they should have had some targets of thier own. We will now struggle to score goals the rest of this season. A little bit of hope we could achieve something this season had crept in, its just crept back out. survival is only hope now. thats partially true. they knew there'd be interest but i doubt anyone saw a bid of that ammount coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Bring on youngsters now only way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Players were not brought in because, other than Ben Arfa, there were no good value deals to be had. There seldom is value to be had in January unless you are selling a player. The high profile transfers in the last few weeks have all been done at what could conservatively be described as very full prices. The club's current buying policy is based on looking for value and nothing else, if no value is to be found then they will plug gaps with a loan. If none of that is available they will do nothing. The lateness of the Carroll deal meant that there were no loan players left who were worth looking at let alone a player for sale at a decent price. There was clearly a high expectation that Routledge would be replaced but Ireland isn't really that replacement. Gaps were not plugged in this transfer window they were opened up. It's going to be an interesting 3 months. This pretty much. Only looking for players at value, we're just not in a position to spunk loads of money of players (like Villa did with Bent) or take massive risks anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Didn't golfmag share the boardroom with MA on Tuesday? Maybe he knows the real answer........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Because the January transfer window is notorious for shit, over-hiked prices and crap deals. Is Darren Bent really worth £24m? Is Andy Carroll really worth £35m? Torres £50m? I know we're short on bodies but I'd much rather us wait until the summer and (provided we stay up) get value for money. Loan signings wise, I'm not sure. To see two young players like Sturridge and Vela go to lesser teams without us (seemingly) making a move for them was odd. They're both just what we would need up top until the summer at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Chelsea panic bought and paid over the market price for Torres. The reason Chelsea had to pay £50m for Torres was because it left Liverpool in a bad position to get in a replacement and they in turn would have to pay over the odds for whoever they got in (fee and/or wages), so the Torres price was inflated with an amount to mitigate that extra expense. This allowed them to panic buy and pay over the market price for Carroll because they didn't want it to mess up their season and are trying to get into Europe. The reason Liverpool paid £35m for Carroll was because it left Newcastle in a bad position to get in a replacement and they in turn would have to pay over the odds for whoever they got in (fee and/or wages), so the Carroll price was inflated with an amount to mitigate that extra expense. This allowed Ashley to rub his hands and put the extra money in the bank because he thinks we have enough points already to avoid relegation. If we'd had to pay over the odds for a replacement, then that's what we should have done as a one-off if we wanted to try to avoid derailing the season as that's precisely why we got an inflated price for Carroll. The fact we didn't even get a loan player in shows once again exactly where Ashley's priorities lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 To see two young players like Sturridge and Vela go to lesser teams without us (seemingly) making a move for them was odd. They're both just what we would need up top until the summer at least. surely this is crux of the matter? i can't see how anyone would expect us to have spent 10m+ on a striker this window for the reasons stated absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not having a loan in before carroll was sold, never fucking mind after Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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