Magpie Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cisse's half the player of Ba to be honest (which is why it's a total waste of time playing him out wide) however he will score you goals if you play him in his best position. However I'd get shot if he's starting to get above his station. No player is bigger than the club. Ba out and Remy in would be the perfect January situation for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 In the current set-up Ba shines because we have played more to his strengths, relatively speaking. Cisse is not and in the air player, but is better on the ground by far. Obviously, in terms of the way Pardew sets up the team, his talents are lost, and sticking him on the right is a complete and utter waste of time. In the long term, Ba will eventually piss off, and what we'll be left with is a wasted, disillusioned talent who has been forced to change his game for the worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 In the current set-up Ba shines because we have played more to his strengths, relatively speaking. Cisse is not and in the air player, but is better on the ground by far. Obviously, in terms of the way Pardew sets up the team, his talents are lost, and sticking him on the right is a complete and utter waste of time. In the long term, Ba will eventually p*ss off, and what we'll be left with is a wasted, disillusioned talent who has been forced to change his game for the worse. I would argue we have not played to any of our players strengths this season and certainly not to Ba's as he is shocking in the air. He has fashioned most his goals rarely by good play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cisse's half the player of Ba to be honest (which is why it's a total waste of time playing him out wide) however he will score you goals if you play him in his best position. However I'd get shot if he's starting to get above his station. No player is bigger than the club. Ba out and Remy in would be the perfect January situation for me. Cisse certainly isn't half the player Ba is. Not by a long stretch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It's the manager's job to get the best out of the players he has available. At this moment, that includes a striker whose conversation rate since he came to this country is only bettered by Man United's £50m strikeforce. And some people want to sell him. It's utterly unbelievable. Doesn't talk that much does he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cisse's half the player of Ba to be honest (which is why it's a total waste of time playing him out wide) however he will score you goals if you play him in his best position. However I'd get shot if he's starting to get above his station. No player is bigger than the club. Ba out and Remy in would be the perfect January situation for me. Cisse certainly isn't half the player Ba is. Not by a long stretch. When it comes down to his all round game he is, in my opinion of course. Stick him up front, where he should be played, and he edges Ba though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Obviously I know Ba's return has been better, I'm not arguing that he isn't a great finisher, I just think Ba's lack of team play has also been weirdly detrimental to the team. Plus, from the reports of his wage demands, it seems to me that he is a bit of a mercenary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 In the current set-up Ba shines because we have played more to his strengths, relatively speaking. Cisse is not and in the air player, but is better on the ground by far. Obviously, in terms of the way Pardew sets up the team, his talents are lost, and sticking him on the right is a complete and utter waste of time. In the long term, Ba will eventually p*ss off, and what we'll be left with is a wasted, disillusioned talent who has been forced to change his game for the worse. I would argue we have not played to any of our players strengths this season and certainly not to Ba's as he is shocking in the air. He has fashioned most his goals rarely by good play Neither are great in the air, but Ba has a bit more physicality about him, and more importantly has been given the central berth, so is obviously more likely to get chances in our current set-up. Cisse, has been shit, but if used in the way we are supposed to use him (to feet, centrally, weighted balls to run onto) he's the better player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 A footballer trying to get the most money he can during contract negotiations? In 2012?! Regardless of the fact that he does deserve a pay rise, it's hardly the best stick to beat him with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 In the current set-up Ba shines because we have played more to his strengths, relatively speaking. Cisse is not and in the air player, but is better on the ground by far. Obviously, in terms of the way Pardew sets up the team, his talents are lost, and sticking him on the right is a complete and utter waste of time. In the long term, Ba will eventually p*ss off, and what we'll be left with is a wasted, disillusioned talent who has been forced to change his game for the worse. Bullshit. How many of the 10 goals Ba has scored this season been headers? 3 maximum. There's nothing to suggest Cisse is better than Ba at anything except exceptional goals and first time snap shost ala Defoe. Double the player of Ba? Cisse can't even stay onside ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cisse has a better engine, more pace, better balance and is more clinical with both feet. Ba's still overall the better player, but Cisse's has enough about him for me to consider him the better bet for a central role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Key for me is form and form suggests Cisse should be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't see why any of them should be dropped, we have no-one to replace them for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Key for me is form and form suggests Cisse should be dropped. Form is temporary Class is permanent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 With the current dreadful options they both need to be on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Very poor for me last night, offered no threat at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 had a good think about this at work this morning and begining to wonder if this bloke is the problem in the club, wage negotiations, positional demands,etc, scoring goals aye- but at what price. edit- I think we would see a different cisse if ba was gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 had a good think about this at work this morning and begining to wonder if this bloke is the problem in the club, wage negotiations, positional demands,etc, scoring goals aye- but at what price. edit- I think we would see a different cisse if ba was gone. Agree, I'm thinking we need to change things up front, one of the two probably needs to move on, it's clearly not working, I'm not sure which one we should keep because Cisse's lack of sharpness in front of goal and complete lack of understanding of the way the offside rule works is a concern too. But clearly to me we need to replace one of them with a forward comfortable playing in the outside left role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 How many goals has Demba scored outside the box for us? I know he has hit some good shots from inside the box - Man Utd at home, Reading away, Spurs at home, but I can't remember anything from outside the box. I only ask because he often seems to get the ball in space just outside the box and then hits a pretty disappointing effort at goal. More often than not he seemed to snatch at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Wba free-kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 After reading the last few pages you would think the bloke is as stroppy as some form of Rooney-Balotelli hybrid with the footballing ability of a goat The fact is he's got an almost 1 in 2 record in total over the last 2 1/2 seasons. If he's got some kind of f***ed up contract when he signed you can mainly blame his agents / negotiators and the club for that one. What would you say if football agent(s) told you that they were sure they could get you on £XX,XXX a week? Not many people would turn around and say "no no, thats too much". You can point to our club captain who took a wage cut from a high wage anyway but that shows the mark of the man we have at the club with the armband. The club has lashed out some f***ing stupid money on absolute crap over the last few years (Step forward Alan Smith et al) with little justification and very little return for it. As much as I hate seeing greed in football (and life in general) paying somebody the extra 10-20k PW over the next 5 years if they're banging in around 15 a season isn't that bad when compared to years gone by. People on here have mentioned that he's probably the best we've had since Shearer yet still suggest f***ing him off out wide or selling him to suit Cisse who has, by and large, been woeful this season. Blame the manager, form, tactics or anything else but dropping or shifting a guy who's been putting the ball in the net in an already under performing would team be a disaster right now. Would Remy work if we sold Ba off? It's hard to say with any foresight. He's done quite well with Marseille but it's not like he plays on the left of a front 3 every game either. He would probably need some time to adapt and wouldn't come cheap either, for sure. Why take the chance? An established, top team would be looking to utilize all 3 given the choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Between Shearer and Ba, our top scorers in the league were Nolan - 12, Owen - 8, Owen - 11 and Martins - 11. Ba got 16 last year and has 10 already this year. You don't know what you've got till it's gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't think anyone doesn't value Ba. We just think that we would have a better overall team if he was wide and Cisse was central. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't think anyone doesn't value Ba. We just think that we would have a better overall team if he was wide and Cisse was central. Yep, and I also think that despite how good both are, the team maybe better with one of them being sacrificed for a player more suited to our best formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't think anyone doesn't value Ba. We just think that we would have a better overall team if he was wide and Cisse was central. Agreed. But I think we have an even better team when it's one or the other in the line-up. And right now the only one who should be playing is Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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