Ronaldo Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 @PeteGravesSky: The waters around Demba Ba are so muddy. So many 'advisors' - some he listens to, some he doesn't. It's a shame. #poordemba @dembabafoot Aye. Demba's the real victim in all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 More advisors than Mike Tyson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eggenberger Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I find it strange how critical people have been of Ba/his game despite him scoring 13 goals and generally doing the business yet our big money number 9 signing gets off scott-free despite generally playing poorly and scoring few goals. I think its mad to think that switching Ba left and keeping Cisse central means automatic goals for Cisse and automatic better performances for the team. All this seemingly based on a handful of games last season where we clicked in that formation and with those players in those roles. If anything, Cisse is the odd-man out here and should be the one getting stick or at least being questioned. Ba seems to be a scapegoat of sorts and even responsible for our style of football in the eyes of some. The simple cold hard fact of the matter is this: he delivers. Cisse delieverd in a cameo type role when he signed but has struggled massively this season, regardless. We cannot simply blame Ba for his struggles nor our side's which are far deeper lying. I ask myself how good would Ba be in a free flowing attacking footballing side? Well for 75 minutes we were that side at the Emirates and he got two and played extremely well. If Cisse can only operate in one system, in one role, then perhaps its he that needs looked at and replaced and not Ba. His wonder goals and his amazing start after signing have clouded many's view of him. In some ways he seems untouchable. Again I like him and rate him but he has been nothing short of s**** this season in general and that is simpky not good enough. Poor old Ba though... how many goals again?! Have to agree. Bit like having a fit girlfriend who is probably leaving you and her slightly minging friend taking an interest. All of your mates know the fit one is on her way and talks her down while reassuring you that the fugly one has other qualities. The only thing Ba is responsible for is feeding off scraps, he is in no way culpable for our poor attacking play - churlish to even entertain the idea tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It's really a good sign that the club has management who can look beyond the stats and sell players to better the team. We did it with Carroll (supposedly our new talisman), we did it with Nolan (who's goals we supposedly wouldn't be able to replace), we're doing it with Simpson (well, everyone knows he's s***), and hopefully we'll be doing it with Ba (again, supposedly our only goalscorer). It's undoubtedly a risk to sell a leading goalscorer, but fact is with the exact same team last year we looked our best with Ba on the left - when he didn't score a single goal. So it's not like we can't live without his goals. We can. Pardew just needs to make sure he gets the best ouf of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Marveaux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Has anyone else reported this apart from Sky? I just wonder if one of his advisors have been speaking and we know how reliable they are. Not saying this won't happen but we're just going off that one line from Sky Sports. And for those saying "I can't believe people are happy to sell our main goal threat", it really isn't that simple. We're struggling in the league and have played poorly for the vast majority of the season, often looking shambolic and clueless. I put the team above an individual, even one as good as Ba. When there's an opportunity to build a more balanced team that plays to our strengths, containing Cisse as the focal point, we have to go for that. It seems that selling Ba is the only way Pardew would ever make this change. Things aren't always black and white - pun may be intended, I'm not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It's really a good sign that the club has management who can look beyond the stats and sell players to better the team. We did it with Carroll (supposedly our new talisman), we did it with Nolan (who's goals we supposedly wouldn't be able to replace), we're doing it with Simpson (well, everyone knows he's shit), and hopefully we'll be doing it with Ba (again, supposedly our only goalscorer). It's undoubtedly a risk to sell a leading goalscorer, but fact is with the exact same team last year we looked at our best with Ba on the left - when he didn't score a single goal. So it's not like we can't live without his goals. We can. Pardew just needs to make sure he gets the best ouf of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Marveaux. Nowt to do with his release clause then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Has anyone else reported this apart from Sky? I just wonder if one of his advisors have been speaking and we know how reliable they are. Not saying this won't happen but we're just going off that one line from Sky Sports. And for those saying "I can't believe people are happy to sell our main goal threat", it really isn't that simple. We're struggling in the league and have played poorly for the vast majority of the season, often looking shambolic and clueless. I put the team above an individual, even one as good as Ba. When there's an opportunity to build a more balanced team that plays to our strengths, containing Cisse as the focal point, we have to go for that. It seems that selling Ba is the only way Pardew would ever make this change. Things aren't always black and white - pun may be intended, I'm not sure. It would be funny if all this turns out to be nothing but agent talk. Some fans coming out with "fuck off you greedy twat" will have to do a 180 degree turn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Has anyone else reported this apart from Sky? I just wonder if one of his advisors have been speaking and we know how reliable they are. Not saying this won't happen but we're just going off that one line from Sky Sports. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9771123/Chelsea-lead-race-to-sign-7m-Ba-as-transfer-window-opens.html From last night/the Sunday Telegraph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It's really a good sign that the club has management who can look beyond the stats and sell players to better the team. We did it with Carroll (supposedly our new talisman), we did it with Nolan (who's goals we supposedly wouldn't be able to replace), we're doing it with Simpson (well, everyone knows he's s***), and hopefully we'll be doing it with Ba (again, supposedly our only goalscorer). It's undoubtedly a risk to sell a leading goalscorer, but fact is with the exact same team last year we looked at our best with Ba on the left - when he didn't score a single goal. So it's not like we can't live without his goals. We can. Pardew just needs to make sure he gets the best ouf of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Marveaux. Nowt to do with his release clause then? Assuming the reports about Ba getting half the £7.5m buy out fee are true.... the club gave Ba a contract that contained a big financial incentive for him to play well and then leave. It looks like this is going to be how things panned out. MA has got what he wanted out of the deal and so has Ba. Everybody wins, apart from a team that is losing its biggest goal threat at a time when it is flirting with a relegation fight. If Pardew thought the team would be better off without Ba he could and should have dropped him. Having so little control over whether our top scorer stays or goes is bad management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It's really a good sign that the club has management who can look beyond the stats and sell players to better the team. We did it with Carroll (supposedly our new talisman), we did it with Nolan (who's goals we supposedly wouldn't be able to replace), we're doing it with Simpson (well, everyone knows he's s***), and hopefully we'll be doing it with Ba (again, supposedly our only goalscorer). It's undoubtedly a risk to sell a leading goalscorer, but fact is with the exact same team last year we looked at our best with Ba on the left - when he didn't score a single goal. So it's not like we can't live without his goals. We can. Pardew just needs to make sure he gets the best ouf of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Marveaux. Nowt to do with his release clause then? I'm hopeful that the board and management would want to sell Ba with or without the release clause, as they've recognised the guy is an overrated donkey. Certainly would explain why Pardew has mentioned it to the media at every possible opportunity. And when Ba signs for Chelsea, I hope Llambias holds an Academy Awards style ceremony where he thanks Fernando Torres for making all of this possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Pardew's done everything he can to keep Ba. That's perfectly understandable when you take in account the impossible situation the owner put him in and the sale of Carroll 2 years back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 So Benitez knows nothing about this. Phillipe Auclaire says there's no meeting. Is there actually any substance to this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Has anyone else reported this apart from Sky? I just wonder if one of his advisors have been speaking and we know how reliable they are. Not saying this won't happen but we're just going off that one line from Sky Sports. And for those saying "I can't believe people are happy to sell our main goal threat", it really isn't that simple. We're struggling in the league and have played poorly for the vast majority of the season, often looking shambolic and clueless. I put the team above an individual, even one as good as Ba. When there's an opportunity to build a more balanced team that plays to our strengths, containing Cisse as the focal point, we have to go for that. It seems that selling Ba is the only way Pardew would ever make this change. Things aren't always black and white - pun may be intended, I'm not sure. It would be funny if all this turns out to be nothing but agent talk. Some fans coming out with "fuck off you greedy twat" will have to do a 180 degree turn Sky said earlier that even though ba's representatives were supposed to be meeting Chelsea there hadn't actually been a bid or an activation of the release clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 An overrated donkey. Jesus fucking wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It says a lot that we've heard nothing from the club or from Demba himself. I think it's going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 An overrated donkey. Jesus fucking wept. It amazes me how supposedly intelligent people come up with this shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 BBC haven't reported the story either but have an article about us agreeing a fee for Debuchy so must be aware of what's been happening today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It's happening people. Time to move on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 An overrated donkey. Jesus fucking wept. This is the same person that thinks the likes of Shearer and Batistuta were never on a par with the likes of Berkgamp or Zola. Why? Because, in a nutshell, the former didn't quite have the flair that the later had. Yawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It's happening people. Time to move on Aye probably the main reason im so relaxed about it all because i knew he would leave the moment i heard about this clause. Was all a matter of time tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 regardless of whether ba threw a hissy fit or not, fact is ba and cisse didn't work as a partnership and one can leave without us having much of a say in it. i wouldn't really wanting us breaking the bank so to speak on a partnership that doesn't work. if we didn't have cisse i could understand all the teeth gnashing but as many have been saying for a while the team is not best set up with those 2 up front but seems like it probably with one or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The quicker this is done the quicker we can move on. Hope he signs of with a winning goal against Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The quicker this is done the quicker we can move on. Hope he signs of with a winning goal against Everton. Will he still be able to play against Everton?, and if so do you think he would be placed in the squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 No chance of him playing against Everton if he's in talks with Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Is Ba even going to start for Chelsea? Chelsea have only really played with 1 striker for a long time now, and surely Torres will be ahead of him in the pecking order? Guess he'll just play the occasional game and pick up his massive wages, good luck to him if that's what he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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