nuneaton Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 its nice to be in europe but i just wouldnt give a toss if we go out at the first stage, the extra games place too much strain on the players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'd probably try something like this. Krul Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon Gutierrez Tiote Cabaye Ben Arfa Cisse Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 its nice to be in europe but i just wouldnt give a toss if we go out at the first stage, the extra games place too much strain on the players Obvious troll is obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Krul Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Anita Ben Arfa Cisse Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't think distribution from the back has been our issue, our inability to perform any sustained build-up play from midfield is a greater concern. The options for our midfielders (other than the defence) are so limited. What's changed since last year though? Certainly not personnel. Cabaye's been dreadful thus far and Tiote's been battling niggling injuries. So is it just lack of match fitness? Just so sluggish this year. I guess that would have to explain it, as the only regulars who've looked consistently strong are HBA and Ba (maybe Santon and Saylor). I don't think much has changed from last year in terms of performances tbh. All those problems were evident for most of last season. We're still depending on either Ba or Cisse scoring nearly all the goals, still not getting crosses in, still playing very rigidly, still hitting it long towards the front two, still have nobody other than those two and HBA looking like a goal threat. I think it's pretty much as you were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think expecting Colo to solve our problems in terms of building play from the back is very optimistic. Until our movement off the ball improves dramatically we're going to resort to long, hopeful balls a lot during games. The wingers are the only players in our team that venture from their base position at all. We need Cisse and Ba to start drifting into wider areas and finding space to receive the ball there and in turn create space for our midfielders to run into. We also really need to allow one of our central midfield players to play in much more advanced positions than they currently do, at the moment we're essentially playing with two holding midfielders which means that only really Ben Arfa gets in positions to link midfield to attack. Unfortunately by drifting inside to do that we then lose all our width as neither Cisse or Ba are pulling wide to create space. Our fullbacks offer little in terms of width either, our formation in possession yesterday was essentially this. Harper Taylor Williamson Perch Bigirimana Tiote Santon Jonas Ben Arfa Ba Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Krul Anita Taylor Colo Santon Tiote Jonas Ben Arfa Cabaye Ba Cisse Would be my best eleven right now. Maybe switch the fullbacks, i'm in the camp that believes Santon's best suited to RB long term. Right now I'd be looking to move Ba to the striker role and give Ferguson a go on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Krul Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Anita Ben Arfa Cisse Ba thats how i see it but tiote central and the front three to be very mobile and play off each other, read the game so two of them will be to be able to drop onto oppo full backs when out of possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'd probably try something like this. Krul Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon Gutierrez Tiote Cabaye Ben Arfa Cisse Ba moi aussi. Jonas and Cabaye can rotate, as can the three attackers. Fluidity is the name of the game when you're attacking not like the static chuff we currently turn out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Right now I'd be looking to move Ba to the striker role and give Ferguson a go on the left. I'm starting to lean this way myself. Let Cisse come off the bench until he starts hitting his stride. I'd like to see more of Ferguson on the left, and I think he and Santon can form a nice partnership on that side (or they'll just run into each other). Krul Anita Taylor Coloccini Santon Tiote Jonas Ben Arfa Cabaye Ferguson Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Krul Anita Taylor Colo Santon Tiote Jonas Ben Arfa Cabaye Ba Cisse Definitely this, with Bigi filling in at DCM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 lack of link up between the attack and midfield. no matter if we play 4-3-3 / 4-4-2 we have no link up. reason being none of our strikers are any different, shola, cisse, ba, they dont come short to get the ball. That would seem to necessitate dropping HBA into a central role behind the strikers and letting him move into midfield to pick-up the ball. Ideally, I think, Cabaye handles that job and HBA floats all over the pitch. well you would think that and im sure pardew has as well but it doesn't work out that way. when we get pushed back or under the cosh, cabaye and whole of our midfield drops back regardless even if hba is in there or not, thats is where the problem lies, our strikers are hanging up there giving you these parrellel lines of ---------------striker-----striker----------------- -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- midfield------midfield---midfield-------midfield -------------------------------------------------- defence------defence----defence--------defence hence hoof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't necessarily think our strikers should be dropping though. I'd much rather the run of play come to Ba and Cisse than having them drop into midfield. Ideally. But since the midfield isn't doing the heavy lifting, perhaps the strikers should be dropping more. Cabaye has certainly been playing much deeper this season, for whatever reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 The noticeable ocean of space between our midfielders and strikers is ridiculous at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'll have a go - .............Krul Anita Colo Saylor Santon ........Tiote Cabaye ....Sameobi Ben Arfa Jonas .................Ba Very tempting to include Ferguson instead of Jonas, but then we'd have a very inexperienced line-up. Not sure that Ba is the best choice as the lone striker. Cisse has better movement, and Shola (yes, Shola) is the best of the three at holding the ball up and winning the ball in the air. Hold up play and winning the ball in the air is only a requirement of a lone striker if the manager chooses to play that way. Van Persie plays up like that but nobody ever asks him to win flick ons. I'd hope we'd keep it on the deck, but even in that case, I'd back Shola to be better than the other two at holding on to the ball when isolated, or at least getting us a free kick. And of course, situations arise where every team has to hit a long ball now and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 We all know what worked and what didn't work for us last season, we've still got the players that played our best football so why attempt to re-invent the wheel? We've even got at least one player who could upgrade what was our best team last season, it's not rocket science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Krul Anita - Colo - Taylor - Santon Tiote Cabaye - Bigi Ben Arfa Cissé Ba Anita and Santon bombing forward for crosses, while Tiote and Bigi drops back. Bigi's passing skills is enough to push Jonas out for me. This will get laughed at, but Jonas can't play in the middle of the pitch. HBA free role. Alternatively switch Bigi with Simpson, and move Anita into midfield. I'm not sure the crosses will include in this switch though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Krul Simpson Coloccini Taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Anita Ben Arfa Cisse Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 That team is painfully short of width. I'd be quite content to continue with a 4-4-2 on the basis that we give Ferguson a go out left. Jonas has nothing to offer creatively and really only be used centrally. My concern is that Jonas is one of Pards' favourite and I can't see him dropping him for a young kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Its so fucking infuriating that we wont just start games 433 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 .................krul Santon Taylor Colo Ferguson .............tiote perch ...............cabaye Ben Arfa................Ba/Cisse ...............Ba/Cisse Tempted by that for Sunday. It obviously won't happen. Think it's really important to kick the sh!t out of their beleaguered central midfield, and ferguson's surely done enough for a chance. It blatantly won't happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 That team is painfully short of width. I'd be quite content to continue with a 4-4-2 on the basis that we give Ferguson a go out left. Jonas has nothing to offer creatively and really only be used centrally. My concern is that Jonas is one of Pards' favourite and I can't see him dropping him for a young kid. If we put Santon on the right and Ferguson left back there's no reason the fullbacks can't offer a lot of the width in that formation. I honestly thought that's what we were going with all summer with our chase for Debuchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 If we are going with both strikers, one needs to drop deep at times and that will most likely be Ba as his approach play is better than Cisse's. Ferguson needs to play in some capacity. Whether at LB or LM. He provides genuine width and crossing ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayno Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Some formation suggestions.... Krul Santon Colo Saylor Fergie Anita Tiote Cabaye HBA Obertan Ba Krul Saylor Willo Colo Santon Fergie Tiote Cabaye HBA Cisse Ba Krul Santon Saylor Colo Fergie HBA Cabaye Tiote Obertan Ba Cisse Krul Santon Saylor Colo Fergie Anita Tiote Marv HBA Obertan Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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