BottledDog Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 If anyone puts in an offer that Ashley is prepared to accept then it'll be a serious offer imo, above 250m it what it'll take for ashley to accept. Well that doesn't sound so good. The new owner (let's call him, oh, I don't know... Mr Moat?) would have to do some serious asset stripping to get that kind of outlay back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 i think some middle eastern oil sheikh would be great, but americans? maybe. far east groups? not so sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 If anyone puts in an offer that Ashley is prepared to accept then it'll be a serious offer imo, above 250m it what it'll take for ashley to accept. Well that doesn't sound so good. The new owner (let's call him, oh, I don't know... Mr Moat?) would have to do some serious asset stripping to get that kind of outlay back. Anyone buying the club would have to pay Ashley in cash any case now, that wasn't the case when we were up for sale after the relegation. Of course we'd have see who the buyers are, but I don't think Ashley would sell to anyone like Moat after the fiasco of last time and I don't see anyone buying the club for a long long time. The club will be paying back Ashley his loan soon imo since we are breaking even now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 How much is the exposure of a premier league club / champs league club worth to a Qatari at the moment with the wc around the long corner? £250m? £300m? £350m? Thats the only way Ashely will find a buyer, and as glamorous as it sounds to have a team worth £100m plus, I'm not sure I want that model - Chelsea and City are pretty souless clubs really. We're on the right track, just as long as Ashley realises that as we progress we need to up the investment levels to keep the incriments in income coming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 i think some middle eastern oil sheikh would be great, but americans? maybe. far east groups? not so sure. So someone like the mega rich Al-Hasawi family? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I guess it's not that surprising. In football you rarely get the chance to work on the long term unless the immediate future is looking better as well... you have to look after them both. I suppose we'd all like to think we're rational and can look at longer term objectives, but as football fans we're massively affected by week to week results and short term blips. Course. For example, really a sample of 5 or 6 seasons at least would be needed to judge a manager properly, but obviously that would never happen. Baby steps... a period of > one season would be a great start And would people really want some sheikh, a sugar daddy to guarantee success and render your support and the entire history of the club moot? I'd much rather a club that was successful under its own steam. I fucking hate Man City / Chelsea / Anzhi and the others and I can't wait for the sugar daddies to get bored and leave them well and truly up the creek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 The romantic in me says we're on the right track with the self sufficiency approach, but the realist in me knows we will never challenge for major honours, which I would love to see us do (again) in my lifetime. On that basis I wouldn't say no to the right prospective owner willing to subsidise such a project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 For every Sheikh Mansour and Abramovich, there's twice as many Venkys and Fernandes. I'm happy with the devil I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I guess it's not that surprising. In football you rarely get the chance to work on the long term unless the immediate future is looking better as well... you have to look after them both. I suppose we'd all like to think we're rational and can look at longer term objectives, but as football fans we're massively affected by week to week results and short term blips. Course. For example, really a sample of 5 or 6 seasons at least would be needed to judge a manager properly, but obviously that would never happen. Baby steps... a period of > one season would be a great start And would people really want some sheikh, a sugar daddy to guarantee success and render your support and the entire history of the club moot? I'd much rather a club that was successful under its own steam. I fucking hate Man City / Chelsea / Anzhi and the others and I can't wait for the sugar daddies to get bored and leave them well and truly up the creek After 44 years without a trophy, I'll take getting success anyway it comes whether via our current approach or via a Sugar Daddy. I don't think you heard Blackburn fans complaining when they bought the title in 1995. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I guess it's not that surprising. In football you rarely get the chance to work on the long term unless the immediate future is looking better as well... you have to look after them both. I suppose we'd all like to think we're rational and can look at longer term objectives, but as football fans we're massively affected by week to week results and short term blips. Course. For example, really a sample of 5 or 6 seasons at least would be needed to judge a manager properly, but obviously that would never happen. Baby steps... a period of > one season would be a great start And would people really want some sheikh, a sugar daddy to guarantee success and render your support and the entire history of the club moot? I'd much rather a club that was successful under its own steam. I f***ing hate Man City / Chelsea / Anzhi and the others and I can't wait for the sugar daddies to get bored and leave them well and truly up the creek I personally believe that is a rather odd argument considering how Ashley has so far handled the legacy he acquired a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 And I don't think you'd hear any complaints our end if someone bought the title for us, because football fans do not tend to think that way. It'd still be sad and it'd feel quite hollow for me, and when the inevitable abuse came from fans of other clubs I'd find it hard to deflect it. Much rather hold out for that tiny chance of a proper win. In the very long term, we're slightly less likely than Arsenal to win the league under our own financial steam if we are run properly with sustainability in mind. It's not totally unthinkable, even if it is really really unlikely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I guess it's not that surprising. In football you rarely get the chance to work on the long term unless the immediate future is looking better as well... you have to look after them both. I suppose we'd all like to think we're rational and can look at longer term objectives, but as football fans we're massively affected by week to week results and short term blips. Course. For example, really a sample of 5 or 6 seasons at least would be needed to judge a manager properly, but obviously that would never happen. Baby steps... a period of > one season would be a great start And would people really want some sheikh, a sugar daddy to guarantee success and render your support and the entire history of the club moot? I'd much rather a club that was successful under its own steam. I f***ing hate Man City / Chelsea / Anzhi and the others and I can't wait for the sugar daddies to get bored and leave them well and truly up the creek I personally believe that is a rather odd argument considering how Ashley has so far handled the legacy he acquired a few years ago. By trying to get the club pointed in the right direction financially so that it can become more successful in the long term? I know, I know, you're going to say something about the stadium name aren't you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 And I don't think you'd hear any complaints our end if someone bought the title for us, because football fans do not tend to think that way. It'd still be sad and it'd feel quite hollow for me, and when the inevitable abuse came from fans of other clubs I'd find it hard to deflect it. Much rather hold out for that tiny chance of a proper win. In the very long term, we're slightly less likely than Arsenal to win the league under our own financial steam if we are run properly with sustainability in mind. It's not totally unthinkable, even if it is really really unlikely Who give's a fuck what other fans think. Well you do obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 As you can see from the entire rest of the post, I'm more bothered about how I'd feel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 As you can see from the entire rest of the post, I'm more bothered about how I'd feel You'll be fine, just think of the celebrations when we win something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yeah it'd be great but... maybe I haven't made it quite clear enough how much I really, really hate what Man City and Chelsea have done. I mean there are loads of examples of wealthy owners making a big difference to clubs but the scale of their financial doping (i.e. sufficient to immediately win the league) doesn't just upset the balance a bit, it makes the entire exercise seem totally pointless. They've fucked football as far as I'm concerned and I don't like the idea of Newcastle being a part of that. I'd be gutted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yeah, when Blackburn were spending big, it wasnt like they were gazumping other teams and throwing daft money. They spent the going rate. Might be wrong, but I doubt they'd have spent considerably more than clubs around them. What Chelsea and City have done has made it impossible for sustained success without someone having to spend beyond their means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Fucking hell, poor bastard can't win. Damned if you do, damned if you dont Tbf, I wasn't being especially critical of the recent PR stunts; just amused by the total predictability of it. Predictable in the way that the Ashley-bashers (for want of a better term) aren't as vociferous, while the Ashley-bummers (for want of a better term) are not getting slated l, r & c for offering their optimistic views? There's no sea change in the mood from what I can see. Don't really know what you're talking about, but I meant predictable in the way that it's predictable that Ashley and Llambias are connecting with the fans for the first time in ages, off the back of a good couple of weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 We all want the elusive success, but I don't think I'd sell my soul for a League Cup win. The PL title maybe Anyone who craves success at any cost should get themeselves along to Victoria Park tomorrow night to watch a team who won the cup not so long ago. They'll probably get beaten by Hartlepool and look like they're on a fast track to oblivion. I'm sure their fans enjoyed the success as much as anyone but with hindsight probably wish it had never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I am in the not selling our soul camp. Maybe it's easier to say now as it's not happening but I genuinely don't think I would want us to go out and sign a whole new squad and win the league. It's frustrating at times but I like the way we are building now, for a sensible outlay we have players like Krul, MYM, Debuchy, Santon, Gouffran, Cabaye, Tiote, Anita, Cisse, Cissoko, Ben Arfa etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I am in the not selling our soul camp. Maybe it's easier to say now as it's not happening but I genuinely don't think I would want us to go out and sign a whole new squad and win the league. It's frustrating at times but I like the way we are building now, for a sensible outlay we have players like Krul, MYM, Debuchy, Santon, Gouffran, Cabaye, Tiote, Anita, Cisse, Cissoko, Ben Arfa etc.. Would we need to buy a new squad though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I am in the not selling our soul camp. Maybe it's easier to say now as it's not happening but I genuinely don't think I would want us to go out and sign a whole new squad and win the league. It's frustrating at times but I like the way we are building now, for a sensible outlay we have players like Krul, MYM, Debuchy, Santon, Gouffran, Cabaye, Tiote, Anita, Cisse, Cissoko, Ben Arfa etc.. Would we need to buy a new squad though? Probably not but that's what these clubs tend to do. Man City had about 8 multimillion pound forwards on their books not that long ago. I like a squad but I don't think I would like to see us buying scores of young players just to sit on the bench/in the reserves for the sake of it. Even QPR have been snapping up players like Hoilett who could do a job for a lot of sides and he is struggling to get games for the bottom side now. Not saying we would definitely do all this but it seems the way it goes, buy shit loads of players and hope a few of them stick whilst ruining the odd career along the way. It feels right what we are doing now and if we won something it would feel deserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 And I don't think you'd hear any complaints our end if someone bought the title for us, because football fans do not tend to think that way. It'd still be sad and it'd feel quite hollow for me, and when the inevitable abuse came from fans of other clubs I'd find it hard to deflect it. Much rather hold out for that tiny chance of a proper win. In the very long term, we're slightly less likely than Arsenal to win the league under our own financial steam if we are run properly with sustainability in mind. It's not totally unthinkable, even if it is really really unlikely Who give's a fuck what other fans think. Well you do obviously. Man City fans being accused of buying the title http://i.imgur.com/RMg5ui0.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 It's not about what other fans think, I would be personally embarrassed if we got success like Man City have. You would know deep down that it wasn't deserved. That said, buying success is almost the only way to get it now, so I suppose it's irrelevant whether it's the right thing to do or not. For me, winning a trophy hardly enters my mind. I know it's probably never going to happen. Even the ones we could win, we put out a weakened side and sacrifice them. Football has changed beyond recognition, and PL survival is the only thing that ever matters. Especially this season with the new TV deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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