Wullie Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Your ambitions changes though. We finished 5th and were booing players on/off the pitch. Course they do. I'd be absolutely furious too if I was paying over a grand for a season ticket, bringing in CL money every single year and the club was spending none of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Your ambitions changes though. We finished 5th and were booing players on/off the pitch. Course they do. I'd be absolutely furious too if I was paying over a grand for a season ticket, bringing in CL money every single year and the club was spending none of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Arsenal fans p*ss me off with their moaning and bitching. They have European football every season. I would give my right nut for that. I wouldn't even care if we weren't challenging for the title. A top 4 finish would suit me down to the ground. But not under this regime. No f***ing chance. My brother in law us a Gooner and I bring this up a lot and he says Arsenal have always won trophies, whatever the decade, as far as he can remember. For them not to compete is not good enough and to merely keep finishing 4th isn't either. He loves Wenger, likes watching the footy, but he expects more and he puts up a good argument. He says its easy for me to say they are spoiled etc. when all I've known is calamity after calamity and underachievement. That said, as a neutral, he's done an amazing job there and while they could have won more, they only need to look at Liverpool to see where they could be without Wenger and his methods. What fucked up them was Abramovic and then Man city. Up until then it was between Man Utd and them for the lot. Its testement to Fergie that he could keep Man Utd at pace with Chelsea and City. Wenger simply can't. We'll now see Man Utd drift off and be much more like Arsenal, always up there but struggling to win things like they used to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 How does the term go, sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I dont think because he got subjected to some stick after making some catastrophic moves during the Keegan fiasco, we should just tolerate his own method of retaliation towards the fans and club with the way he's running it. He's an absolute disgrace, he learned the hard way early on what happens if you upset Newcastle fans and the name calling etc hit a major nerve in him. Ever since then he's treated us in utter contempt, these latest episodes testament to his mentality. It's the stuff like pulling down banners at SJP that really irks me, especially when he's never even there to see them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Arsenal can stay in the top 4 without arbitrarily large sums of money because they were already one of the largest and most successful clubs in England before the big money came in. Unfortunately, at this point I think mega money is a prerequisite for moving up from the lower tier and making top 4 consistently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think Ashley tried to have passion at one point, you think back to him turning up in our shirts & standing with the crowd. He brought his family & kids to games, to imagine him doing that now is nuts. He's always made pretty poor decisions, bringing in wise etc but i think at that point he did atleast want us to be successful. The whole selling the club debacle is where he changed his ideas i reckon. This was part of his statement at the time: I have really loved taking my kids to the games, being next to them and all the fans. But I am now a dad who can't take his kids to a football game on a Saturday because I am advised that we would be assaulted. Therefore, I am no longer prepared to subsidise Newcastle United. Can you imagine any man making that statement and then caring about the fans wishes or how their club does? Then: After his parents mortgaged their house to borrow money which they then provided to young Mike to get going as a sports retailer, the ungrateful upstart fell out with them so badly he stopped speaking to them. They still live in the same house they mortgaged for him, while he has at least one very large house in a plutocratic corner of north London Its not a massive mystery is it. Aye, but the tight bastard should still be spending more money on players for us to enjoy even though he's not welcome to watch it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 We were within touching distance of finishing in the top 4 a couple of seasons back- with an over achieving squad. We had a few big hitters (Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye) who kept us up there. With our manager there was no way it was sustainable without investment last summer, especially considering those around us strengthened whilst we halted to a standstill. We scouted well in 2011 summer and went from a mid-table team to a top half team. However, for two summers now Ashley has downright refused to invest appropriately- last January doesn't count in my eyes as our season was a bloody wright off by Christmas, which is totally unacceptable, especially considering that we were 'competing' in Europe. With a good manager, quality scouting and sensible investment we could easily break the top 4 imo. Ambition would only propel us to title challengers- look at our support, man! As players have described it, there's a wave of energy and feeling of invincibility at NUFC when things are going well. I cant even remember what that feels like nowadays, though. It's all about building a strong squad. That will never happen under Ashley. He is a compulsive gambler, and none of his reckless gambles involve building and investing in a strong squad. As long as we sell to buy, value balance sheets over results, and have a spineless puppet as a manager, we will never compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I would like to second the above. What an opportunity we had, that was blown by not investing at the end of the season when we finished 5th. I don't think we are going to be anywhere near that successful again under Ashley and Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 We were within touching distance of finishing in the top 4 a couple of seasons back- with an over achieving squad. We had a few big hitters (Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye) who kept us up there. With our manager there was no way it was sustainable without investment last summer, especially considering those around us strengthened whilst we halted to a standstill. We scouted well in 2011 summer and went from a mid-table team to a top half team. However, for two summers now Ashley has downright refused to invest appropriately- last January doesn't count in my eyes as our season was a bloody wright off by Christmas, which is totally unacceptable, especially considering that we were 'competing' in Europe. With a good manager, quality scouting and sensible investment we could easily break the top 4 imo. Ambition would only propel us to title challengers- look at our support, man! As players have described it, there's a wave of energy and feeling of invincibility at NUFC when things are going well. I cant even remember what that feels like nowadays, though. It's all about building a strong squad. That will never happen under Ashley. He is a compulsive gambler, and none of his reckless gambles involve building and investing in a strong squad. As long as we sell to buy, value balance sheets over results, and have a spineless puppet as a manager, we will never compete. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 amazing what time has done for shepherd like, seems all was well when we were bought out then - not how i recall it tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I'm not arguing with that. You're admitting that the door is open to everyone if you can keep getting better incrementally and buy and sell at the right time - i.e. you do not need massive outside investment to be a Champions League contender on a yearly basis, which was my entire point in the first place. Spurs have become another example. Ah, fuck me, I totally misread that didn't I! In that case I'm with ya 100%, Spurs being the obvious model. What we have already is a good ish squad like Spurs had when Redknapp first took over at WHL. What we don't have is a good manager and an owner or board willing to add to our squad and to improve our revenue streams. Its sad that a few years back Spurs couldn't even compete for us for the likes of Parker and Duff. Back then they were slagging their owner and board and asking why they couldn't compete with Newcastle. A fat bastard Ashley later and.... We are far closer to replicating the Arsenal/Spurs model now than we ever were under Fat Fred tbh, at least as far as the transfer policy goes. I don't think there's that much wrong with how we do business, it's the hiring of key personnel at DOF and management level where we have cocked it up big style under Ashley. Although I suppose the same could be said of Shepherd bar the SBR appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 There's little point in even mentioning Newcastle United in the same breath as Arsenal or Tottenham, they are trying to build teams to compete, United under Ashley are just happy to survive. There is no ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 shepherd was bollocks like i'm not letting how bad ashley is cloud my memory of that one little bit...the only fucking thing he had right was being ambitious, granted i'd like to see a bit more of that now but shepherd was a busted flush when he fucked off we should all remember that also was it HTT saying he'd 'recognised' his failings when hiring fat sam? bollocks, we were fucking broke so he had to go to a manager who could piece together a team from free transfers and journeymen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 One upside of still having Pardew in the chair is how other younger managers with a more modern type of football will look at the club. We're no longer the club that sacks the manager after 6 months of bad results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 One upside of still having Pardew in the chair is how other younger managers with a more modern type of football will look at the club. We're no longer the club that sacks the manager after 6 months of bad results. Just our luck that this is the case whilst we have Barry Chuckle in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Have YOU romped with Barry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 We were within touching distance of finishing in the top 4 a couple of seasons back- with an over achieving squad. We had a few big hitters (Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye) who kept us up there. With our manager there was no way it was sustainable without investment last summer, especially considering those around us strengthened whilst we halted to a standstill. We scouted well in 2011 summer and went from a mid-table team to a top half team. However, for two summers now Ashley has downright refused to invest appropriately- last January doesn't count in my eyes as our season was a bloody wright off by Christmas, which is totally unacceptable, especially considering that we were 'competing' in Europe. With a good manager, quality scouting and sensible investment we could easily break the top 4 imo. Ambition would only propel us to title challengers- look at our support, man! As players have described it, there's a wave of energy and feeling of invincibility at NUFC when things are going well. I cant even remember what that feels like nowadays, though. It's all about building a strong squad. That will never happen under Ashley. He is a compulsive gambler, and none of his reckless gambles involve building and investing in a strong squad. As long as we sell to buy, value balance sheets over results, and have a spineless puppet as a manager, we will never compete. I can remember, even under SBR, not being bothered when we went a goal down (especially at home) because I just knew we would score at least 2. And most of the time we would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 shepherd was bollocks like i'm not letting how bad ashley is cloud my memory of that one little bit...the only f***ing thing he had right was being ambitious, granted i'd like to see a bit more of that now but shepherd was a busted flush when he f***ed off we should all remember that also was it HTT saying he'd 'recognised' his failings when hiring fat sam? bollocks, we were f***ing broke so he had to go to a manager who could piece together a team from free transfers and journeymen Yep. Not sure what the Shepherd love-in is for, but if he'd stayed around for a few more seasons there was a fair chance that we wouldn't exist today. People seem keen to forget the NOTW stuff etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Allerdyce was hot property when he left bolton...shepherd probs made a logical decision. Shepherds bungling was still rediculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I am sick of this rubbish about how Ashley rescued Newcastle United like some kind of fat cockney saviour.The clubs commercial revenue has plummeted since Ashley took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 'Cockney' needs to be banned from this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 shepherd was bollocks like i'm not letting how bad ashley is cloud my memory of that one little bit...the only fucking thing he had right was being ambitious, granted i'd like to see a bit more of that now but shepherd was a busted flush when he fucked off we should all remember that also was it HTT saying he'd 'recognised' his failings when hiring fat sam? bollocks, we were fucking broke so he had to go to a manager who could piece together a team from free transfers and journeymen bingo. Lets not start canonizing Shephard just because he was "ambitious" he was a scumbag and how the hell he wormed his way back into the club after the NOTW stuff is sickening. He made off like a bandit from his time at the club and deserves nothing but contempt. Ashley being bad doesn't make anyone else good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Scumbag who bled the club dry. He took a lot of money out of NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I am sick of this rubbish about how Ashley rescued Newcastle United like some kind of fat cockney saviour.The clubs commercial revenue has plummeted since Ashley took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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