Pilko Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Maybe have retired refs (Dean etc) in VAR? Sure they'd happily work on for a canny wedge if they're sitting watching rather than having to keep up with play any more. I know he was a knob but their experience would be better, let the younger ones ref the matches onfield. Yeah I think former refs or former players would be ideal for this. As long as they are absolute experts at understanding the laws of the game and also how the technology works it fixes a lot of the problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tiresias said: I'd be interested in a system like cricket or tennis where each side has a limited number of challenges they can ask VAR to look at again during a match. Would be hilarious because you know Klopp would have wasted all his challenges by half time and then get screwed over anyway in second half. Aye but even if they'd challenged that offside they'd still have ignored it and not give it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I'd hate the number of appeals idea. Think VAR has to either be all in or all out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, jack j said: Won't be long til there is a referee strike or something mind Not one profession gets as much abuse as them thesedays... No wonder there is a shortage of them at grassroots Agreed. Everyone else gets to make mistakes except them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 And i hate the "former players" narrative. It's BS. Former players do not know the rules of football. Their opinion is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I think with VAR appeals you'd get clubs (probably us ) using as a way of breaking down a game, etc. Let the refs sort it out for themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Reckon we should try the same thing for.our goal at their place last season, but maybe try and claim compo as well for some of the injuries we picked up (Willock in particular) by having to overpush players to get to a points tally that should have been far fewer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Wonder if we might hear the audio tonight on MNF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Folks I know there's a lot of people that don't like Liverpool, but I really can't fault them in this case. That error yesterday was so outrageous and compounded further by the fact that at no point did they ever alert the ref to the mistake afterwards. I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man. I would have been enraged. This has to go further than these goofy apologies. It has to be looked into further in this instance and some serious changes need to be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, KaKa said: Folks I know there's a lot of people that don't like Liverpool, but I really can't fault them in this case. That error yesterday was so outrageous and compounded further by the fact that at no point did they ever alert the ref to the mistake afterwards. I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man. I would have been enraged. This has to go further than these goofy apologies. It has to be looked into further in this instance and some serious changes need to be made. Nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 If they’re going retrospective, I want the game against Blackburn replayed where Paul Gallagher handballed it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Folks I know there's a lot of people that don't like Liverpool, but I really can't fault them in this case. That error yesterday was so outrageous and compounded further by the fact that at no point did they ever alert the ref to the mistake afterwards. I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man. I would have been enraged. This has to go further than these goofy apologies. It has to be looked into further in this instance and some serious changes need to be made. That's absolutely ridiculous tbh. They've fucked up, they've been banned for games, what do you want to happen beyond that as you're leading down a dangerous path. We've had 1000s of games in the Premier League covered by VAR, from what I can tell, this is the first time an error of this nature has been made, it's very unlikely it'll ever happen again. Edited October 2, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Rafalove said: Honestly can’t believe the reaction to this. Even GMTV were 'debating' it with Ed Balls and Susanna Reid trying to sound like they had a single clue what they were talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, KaKa said: I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man Like us getting a goal wrongly disallowed before Liverpool winning it in the 98th minute of 6(?) added on? We know how it feels and there was nowt done then, fuck them. It was the wrong call yesterday, there's been many more yet everyone else deals with it, I'm fucked if this is the line where 'they have to do more than apologise'. Again, fuck them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, KaKa said: Folks I know there's a lot of people that don't like Liverpool, but I really can't fault them in this case. That error yesterday was so outrageous and compounded further by the fact that at no point did they ever alert the ref to the mistake afterwards. I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man. I would have been enraged. This has to go further than these goofy apologies. It has to be looked into further in this instance and some serious changes need to be made. the arrogant fucks can live with it like the rest of us. They’ve had plenty go in there favour so can hardly cry ‘corruption’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Astroblack said: If they’re going retrospective, I want the game against Blackburn replayed where Paul Gallagher handballed it in. Yeah, the European Cup semi-final v Benfica in 1962 with the bent refs please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: That's absolutely ridiculous tbh. They've fucked up, they've been banned for games, what do you want to happen beyond that as you're leading down a dangerous path. They need to come put with specific changes to that whole process. The whole thing was completely crazy man. It's really shocking how biased some of you are. Only a matter of time before something equally horrific comes our way if they don't make drastic changes. I'll remind you all then about the stance you're taking now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, KaKa said: Folks I know there's a lot of people that don't like Liverpool, but I really can't fault them in this case. That error yesterday was so outrageous and compounded further by the fact that at no point did they ever alert the ref to the mistake afterwards. I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man. I would have been enraged. This has to go further than these goofy apologies. It has to be looked into further in this instance and some serious changes need to be made. The non-goal is abysmal because it's matter of fact, Diaz is onside. I thought both red cards were fair, but they're still subjective. Getting a black and while call wrong has rightfully called into question VAR and the abysmal state of officiating. I think what pisses most off, is a majority of clubs have had to put up with this nonsense for years, clubs have been relegated as a result of technological malfunctions. So when Liverpool, the historical beneficiaries of some shocking officiating are wronged and we never hear the end of it 48 hours, fans of other clubs are thinking "hang on we were relegated/had our manager binned/missed out on position X because of an abysmal refereeing decision" and we were given an apology and assured things would even themselves out, take the rough with the smooth and no one gave a fuck. It's great we're finally having this discussion and it's important we do, hopefully some good will come of it, but if it had been at 3PM during Everton v Luton or it was a visiting team getting routinely shafted at Anfield, the discussion would already be over. That's what rubs folk up the wrong way. Edited October 2, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: They need to come put with specific changes to that whole process. The whole thing was completely crazy man. It's really shocking how biased some of you are. Only a matter of time before something equally horrific comes our way if they don't make drastic changes. I'll remind you all then about the stance you're taking now. How many games have been reffed by VAR and how many games has that particular mistake been made? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Wilson said: Like us getting a goal wrongly disallowed before Liverpool winning it in the 98th minute of 6(?) added on? We know how it feels and there was nowt done then, fuck them. It was the wrong call yesterday, there's been many more yet everyone else deals with it, I'm fucked if this is the line where 'they have to do more than apologise'. Again, fuck them. The at least drew the lines for that Isak goal and took the time to go through the necessary steps. They said it was based on his sleeve, and it was close enough that it could be subjective. Yesterday they didn't even know what the call in the pitch was, and didn't bother drawing the lines or making sure of the final decision, and then didn't correct the error between however many of them were in there. You guys are too caught up with Liverpool. I'm more concerned about what these plonkers do during our upcoming games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Can someone ban Kaka for sticking up for Liverpool please? If we have a stinking decision made against us or anyone else it's a disgrace, if its against Liverpool then its funny as fuck. Thems the rules and how its always going to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: The non-goal is abysmal because it's matter of fact, Diaz is onside. I thought both red cards were fair, but they're still subjective. Getting a black and while call wrong has rightfully called into question VAR and the abysmal state of officiating. I think what pisses most off, is a majority of clubs have had to put up with this nonsense for years, clubs have been relegated as a result of technological malfunctions. So when Liverpool, the historical beneficiaries of some shocking officiating are wronged and we never hear the end of it 48 hours, fans of other clubs are thinking "hang on we were relegated/had our manager binned/missed out on position X because of an abysmal refereeing decision" and we were given an apology and assured things would even themselves out, take the rough with the smooth and no one gave a fuck. It's great we're finally having this discussion and it's important we do, hopefully some good will come of it, but if it had been at 3PM during Everton v Luton or it was a visiting team getting routinely shafted at Anfield, the discussion would already be over. That's what rubs folk up the wrong way. I get it, but if this is what it takes so be it. Minimum they need to introduce the automated onside/offside technology. It doesn't make any sense how incompetent these people are man. My God. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: How many games have been reffed by VAR and how many games has that particular mistake been made? I'm not trying to wait around till it happens to us again. Liverpool have already been screwed royally and they can swallow that. Going forward though?! Nah, make some fucking changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Not sure how anyone can be against ex-footballers doing VAR (could even just be retired lower league players). One of the main problems of VAR is that the referees can easily be 'mates' or can be someone's boss so they don't like to overrule decisions. Having an ex-footballer means that they can be more objective and actually have confidence in sticking with their own decision when they clearly should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, KaKa said: Folks I know there's a lot of people that don't like Liverpool, but I really can't fault them in this case. That error yesterday was so outrageous and compounded further by the fact that at no point did they ever alert the ref to the mistake afterwards. I can't even imagine if that had been Newcastle man. I would have been enraged. This has to go further than these goofy apologies. It has to be looked into further in this instance and some serious changes need to be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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